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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 11:24:33 GMT
Been watching occasionally since 1994, but only as an avid full-time fan between 1997 and 2003 or so. Schumacher winning almost every race at the beginning of the '00s did drive me away a tad - different to today's situation of course... Oh, and just a quick question. To those F1 fans around here, how long have you been watching? I've been watching full time since 1992 although my very first memory of F1 is my dad and grandfather going mental at Nigel Mansell catching and passing Nelson Piquet at Silverstone in 1987 |
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Post by Trident on Sept 27, 2010 15:51:03 GMT
Plus the summer excitement of Michael Schumacher being the The Stig was alot to take in. That was never the case. They only put Schumacher under the white helmet because there was so much media speculation (correct as it turned out!) that Ben Collins was The Stig. Putting Schumacher under the helmet for one day only was a way of deflecting the speculation Additionally, Top Gear had Michael Schumacher's own, personal, Ferrari FXX on the track and Schumacher wouldn't allow anyone else to drive it. Can't say I blame him; if I splashed out $1million on a car I wasn't even allowed to keep at home I sure as hell wouldn't let anyone else drive it either!! And when The Stig was seen messing about in the Liana, while it was supposed to be Schumacher it was actually Collins. Just read Ben Collins' book; bloody good read actually I don't deny that F1 is 'better' than Indycar but there are ways Indycar does things that are so much better than the F1 way. The pit boxes are just one of those things. Rather than two cars sharing one pit box, the American teams have one pit box each. The F1 way inherently ends up favouring one driver in a team over the other; the Indycar way does not Just as a point of interest do you actually watch any Indycar racing or are you what I like to call an 'F1 snob?' There's no offence intended in that statement, it's just that I find a lot of F1 fans look down their noses at other forms of motorsport, especially something like Indycar, even though they rarely watch it As for Michael Schumacher, i think Mercedes produced a car which would suit Rosberg better which could explain why Schumacher is being outperformed by Rosberg this season. Mercedes actually produced a car that would probably suit Jenson Button more than anyone! Don't forget, teams lay out the designs for the following year's car very early. The designs for the 2011 cars are already massively advanced and I don't doubt that some teams have already touched upon their 2012 cars as well! Button's move to McLaren came very, very late in the day. It was expected that Brawn/Mercedes would field Button and Nico Rosberg in 2011 but then Button wandered off to McLaren. Michael Schumacher was then tempted back but he needs a very specific type of car and the Mercedes was not it. Another massive factor in Schumacher's struggles is the tyres. The narrower front tyres for this season just don't give Schumacher the grip he needs for his aggressive turn-in to a corner. This has all added up to him being beaten - quite comprehensively - by his team-mate. If he wasn't Michael Schumacher he would be in massive danger of losing his ride. As it is, I have a suspicion that he'll test the new Pirelli tyres at the end of the season and make his decision on 2011 based on his initial experiences with the Pirellis. If they give him the grip he needs at the front then he'll carry on into 2011; if not, I think he'll retire I never liked Schumacher. I didn't like his on-track behaviour or his attitude towards team-mates. I did, however, massively admire his ability behind a steering wheel. It's why I do not want to see Schumacher's career petering out with him pootling around the midfield. He should be racing at the front and if that's not possible he needs to retire I should say for this year's Mercedes is the difficult car to drive as its dosent look great watching a onboard, you could see Rosberg and Schumi working hard with that steering wheel Who plays F1 2010? Hopefully ill get my copy by December ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2010 16:09:50 GMT
Plus the summer excitement of Michael Schumacher being the The Stig was alot to take in. I don't deny that F1 is 'better' than Indycar but there are ways Indycar does things that are so much better than the F1 way. The pit boxes are just one of those things. Rather than two cars sharing one pit box, the American teams have one pit box each. The F1 way inherently ends up favouring one driver in a team over the other; the Indycar way does not Just as a point of interest do you actually watch any Indycar racing or are you what I like to call an 'F1 snob?' There's no offence intended in that statement, it's just that I find a lot of F1 fans look down their noses at other forms of motorsport, especially something like Indycar, even though they rarely watch it Hmmm, but it doesn't mean that F1 Teams favorite the driver just by having one shared pit box. All drivers are equal in F1 they both have their own strategies, take Australia for example. Button had an awful start in the Grand Prix but when he was falling behind he decided to call in for some fresh tires and that call won him the Grand Prix. If McLaren favorite Hamilton over Button they would of told Button to stick to the strategy he choose before the race and not change his mind during the race. I've seen a few videos on YouTube and my word... Most of their races are held in america. Formula One goes all over the world... not on oval circuits (F1 ain't Nascar), I've seen some comments saying that they don't see no overtaking in F1 then in Indy 500.. I was LMAO when I read those. |
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Post by Trident on Sept 27, 2010 16:22:55 GMT
I don't deny that F1 is 'better' than Indycar but there are ways Indycar does things that are so much better than the F1 way. The pit boxes are just one of those things. Rather than two cars sharing one pit box, the American teams have one pit box each. The F1 way inherently ends up favouring one driver in a team over the other; the Indycar way does not Just as a point of interest do you actually watch any Indycar racing or are you what I like to call an 'F1 snob?' There's no offence intended in that statement, it's just that I find a lot of F1 fans look down their noses at other forms of motorsport, especially something like Indycar, even though they rarely watch it Hmmm, but it doesn't mean that F1 Teams favorite the driver just by having one shared pit box. All drivers are equal in F1 they both have their own strategies, take Australia for example. Button had an awful start in the Grand Prix but when he was falling behind he decided to call in for some fresh tires and that call won him the Grand Prix. If McLaren favorite Hamilton over Button they would of told Button to stick to the strategy he choose before the race and not change his mind during the race. I've seen a few videos on YouTube and my word... Most of their races are held in america. Formula One goes all over the world... not on oval circuits (F1 ain't Nascar), I've seen some comments saying that they don't see no overtaking in F1 then in Indy 500.. I was LMAO when I read those. Because people who comment saying "you dont see no overtaking in F1" dont understand how tough it is for a driver fitness. |
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Post by john on Sept 27, 2010 23:55:28 GMT
Paul, I have to agree with everything you said there. Schumacher is an unbelievable talent and it was a pleasure to be able to say to any grandchildren I might have, that I was a part of that historic moment in F1 history. Can't say I see much of the young Schumy in Alonso, but I do see where you're coming from. He has got amazing talent, I just wish I could punch him in the face ;D I have watched some Indy races, though I try and avoid the oval circuits as I do find them boring personally. However, I got to say some of the racing in the series is worthy of an F1 drive. I remember Mansell's season over there after winning the F1 title (which answers your other question ;D). It was what got me watching the series in the first place. I also vaguely remember the 92 season, but the first season I really remember was Prost's comeback at Williams in 93 and I sadly remember Imola in 94, especially watching it as a 7 year old, it's not something you'll ever forget. I did feel sorry for that guy who came to F1 from Indycar after a successful period with Penskie (I think it was Di Matta?? Can't remember  ) and also, let's not forget Montoya either. Actually, I'd love for an F1 team to take a chance and maybe get Dario Franchitti over. I think he's got a talent there that might just suit the F1 style of racing. TBH, IndyCar always seems to remind me of 1980's F1 with their car designs ;D |
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Post by Trident on Sept 28, 2010 15:17:50 GMT
Paul, I have to agree with everything you said there. Schumacher is an unbelievable talent and it was a pleasure to be able to say to any grandchildren I might have, that I was a part of that historic moment in F1 history. Can't say I see much of the young Schumy in Alonso, but I do see where you're coming from. He has got amazing talent, I just wish I could punch him in the face ;D I have watched some Indy races, though I try and avoid the oval circuits as I do find them boring personally. However, I got to say some of the racing in the series is worthy of an F1 drive. I remember Mansell's season over there after winning the F1 title (which answers your other question ;D). It was what got me watching the series in the first place. I also vaguely remember the 92 season, but the first season I really remember was Prost's comeback at Williams in 93 and I sadly remember Imola in 94, especially watching it as a 7 year old, it's not something you'll ever forget. I did feel sorry for that guy who came to F1 from Indycar after a successful period with Penskie (I think it was Di Matta?? Can't remember ) and also, let's not forget Montoya either. Actually, I'd love for an F1 team to take a chance and maybe get Dario Franchitti over. I think he's got a talent there that might just suit the F1 style of racing. TBH, IndyCar always seems to remind me of 1980's F1 with their car designs ;D It was Da Matta, who was driving for Toyota in 2003 part of 2004  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2010 0:11:32 GMT
Who plays F1 2010? Hopefully ill get my copy by December ;D The game is excellent major improvements since Championship Edition. However, I was disappointed that there was no commentary in the game as there was in the CE, would of been nice to hear both Johnathon Legard and Martin Brundle yapping away. On the whole it is a good game. As I'm driving for Lotus atm, only at Catalunya... Hehe... |
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Post by RM5chris on Sept 29, 2010 7:45:06 GMT
I did feel sorry for that guy who came to F1 from Indycar after a successful period with Penskie (I think it was Di Matta?? Can't remember ) and also, let's not forget Montoya either. Actually, I'd love for an F1 team to take a chance and maybe get Dario Franchitti over. I think he's got a talent there that might just suit the F1 style of racing. TBH, IndyCar always seems to remind me of 1980's F1 with their car designs ;D I wonder do you mean Alex Zanardi, who was an Indycar (or CART / Champcar as then was) champion and put in some fantastic drives over there - and then came to Williams and it didn't go to well.... |
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Post by ajw on Sept 29, 2010 12:20:03 GMT
Same... Ferrari doesn't deserve to win the Championship (Fernado Alonso) after the team orders in Germany, Massa should of won that race far and square, plus £60,000 fine I mean come on what sort of a punishment is that, the FIA should off thought of a harsher punishment for them. However, IMHO Hamilton can still win the championship but Webber should of known better to back off when Hamilton was coming in from the outside as Webber Quoted "Its just kids in F1" where as Webber made mistakes himself...  But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... True Alonso's win and points for that race should have been taken off him and Ferrari for blatent cheating. As for the Webber/Hamilton incident in Singapore are you saying that if someone is being overtaken that they should just give up and back off? Sounds like it. Unfortunatly that isn't what racing is about, if your being overtaken and you have the line then you have every right to hold your ground. In that incident it was Hamilton who was trying to be a tad careless by trying to overtake into a corner without clear access to the racing line. Unfortunatly he paid the price but fortunatly unlike what normally happens he didn't take out his competitor too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2010 14:47:19 GMT
Same... Ferrari doesn't deserve to win the Championship (Fernado Alonso) after the team orders in Germany, Massa should of won that race far and square, plus £60,000 fine I mean come on what sort of a punishment is that, the FIA should off thought of a harsher punishment for them. However, IMHO Hamilton can still win the championship but Webber should of known better to back off when Hamilton was coming in from the outside as Webber Quoted "Its just kids in F1" where as Webber made mistakes himself... But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... True Alonso's win and points for that race should have been taken off him and Ferrari for blatent cheating. As for the Webber/Hamilton incident in Singapore are you saying that if someone is being overtaken that they should just give up and back off? Sounds like it. Unfortunatly that isn't what racing is about, if your being overtaken and you have the line then you have every right to hold your ground. In that incident it was Hamilton who was trying to be a tad careless by trying to overtake into a corner without clear access to the racing line. Unfortunatly he paid the price but fortunatly unlike what normally happens he didn't take out his competitor too. True but Webber also done the same to Hamilton in Australia on the lap few laps... Outside again Webber was on the inside and he clipped the right rear wheel... which send both of them into the gravel but Webber walked away free... Guess Webber is the hardest guy to take out lool as from Turkey Vettel was in the inside of Webber tried to overtake him but hit his left side of the car, they both spun out Webber walked away again but Vettel out of the race... Lets hope in Japan someone takes out Webber so he can taste abit of his own medicine... |
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Post by Trident on Sept 29, 2010 15:01:51 GMT
Who plays F1 2010? Hopefully ill get my copy by December ;D The game is excellent major improvements since Championship Edition. However, I was disappointed that there was no commentary in the game as there was in the CE, would of been nice to hear both Johnathon Legard and Martin Brundle yapping away. On the whole it is a good game. As I'm driving for Lotus atm, only at Catalunya... Hehe... Hehe, we will see who comes out on top on line when i get my version ;D  |
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Post by Trident on Sept 29, 2010 15:02:56 GMT
True Alonso's win and points for that race should have been taken off him and Ferrari for blatent cheating. As for the Webber/Hamilton incident in Singapore are you saying that if someone is being overtaken that they should just give up and back off? Sounds like it. Unfortunatly that isn't what racing is about, if your being overtaken and you have the line then you have every right to hold your ground. In that incident it was Hamilton who was trying to be a tad careless by trying to overtake into a corner without clear access to the racing line. Unfortunatly he paid the price but fortunatly unlike what normally happens he didn't take out his competitor too. True but Webber also done the same to Hamilton in Australia on the lap few laps... Outside again Webber was on the inside and he clipped the right rear wheel... which send both of them into the gravel but Webber walked away free... Guess Webber is the hardest guy to take out lool as from Turkey Vettel was in the inside of Webber tried to overtake him but hit his left side of the car, they both spun out Webber walked away again but Vettel out of the race... Lets hope in Japan someone takes out Webber so he can taste abit of his own medicine... Let's hope in Japan Hamilton crashes out for the 3rd race in a row   |
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Post by john on Sept 29, 2010 22:41:28 GMT
I did feel sorry for that guy who came to F1 from Indycar after a successful period with Penskie (I think it was Di Matta?? Can't remember ) and also, let's not forget Montoya either. Actually, I'd love for an F1 team to take a chance and maybe get Dario Franchitti over. I think he's got a talent there that might just suit the F1 style of racing. TBH, IndyCar always seems to remind me of 1980's F1 with their car designs ;D I wonder do you mean Alex Zanardi, who was an Indycar (or CART / Champcar as then was) champion and put in some fantastic drives over there - and then came to Williams and it didn't go to well.... Forgot all about Zanardi!! I remember that season in the Williams too. It was terrible!! Think he may have had Ralf Schumacher as his team mate too, which obviously didn't help much! Also, didn't he have that awful crash too up north in Indycar where he lost his legs?? That really was terrible! |
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Post by Trident on Sept 30, 2010 15:33:45 GMT
So who are your guys gonna go for to win the Japanese Grand Prix? ;D
Also which broadcaster do you think is better? BBC or ITV?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 16:19:00 GMT
McLaren (1-2) Hopefully.
I've enjoyed listening to the commentators of Martin Brundle, who gives an excellent coverage of each circuit.
I also enjoy Eddie Jordan and Jake Humphrey, them two always seem to bust out some sly jokes while commentating during qualifying and Grand Prix at the pits, escpailly when Eddie wore his pink shirt loool....
I've heard that F1 is making a new track in the us in texas, im guessing Indianapolis is not on the F1 calendar anymore...
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) and also, let's not forget Montoya either. Actually, I'd love for an F1 team to take a chance and maybe get Dario Franchitti over. I think he's got a talent there that might just suit the F1 style of racing. TBH, IndyCar always seems to remind me of 1980's F1 with their car designs ;D
But both drivers are driving extremely well this season, I must say... 
