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Post by john on Nov 29, 2016 22:14:12 GMT
As far as Mercedes are concerned they had won both titles; it doesn't matter to them which driver is World Champion. Their concern was finishing 1-2 in the race and Hamilton's actions put that in jeopardy. Hamilton is employed by Mercedes and shouldn't be going into business for himself - he drives for the team. That's how winning F1 teams have worked for many, many years. If Hamilton doesn't like that then either quit F1 or set up his own team and try to win under his own terms I have to say, I'd love to see the reaction had the roles been reversed. Hamilton fans would want Rosberg's head on a spike outside Brackley I couldn't agree more with your last point but again I think Mercedes would be wrong to call team orders. The team were sorted, this was all about individual driver pride and they should have left it to them, simple as that |
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Post by Paul on Nov 30, 2016 11:14:50 GMT
As far as Mercedes are concerned they had won both titles; it doesn't matter to them which driver is World Champion. Their concern was finishing 1-2 in the race and Hamilton's actions put that in jeopardy. Hamilton is employed by Mercedes and shouldn't be going into business for himself - he drives for the team. That's how winning F1 teams have worked for many, many years. If Hamilton doesn't like that then either quit F1 or set up his own team and try to win under his own terms I have to say, I'd love to see the reaction had the roles been reversed. Hamilton fans would want Rosberg's head on a spike outside Brackley I couldn't agree more with your last point but again I think Mercedes would be wrong to call team orders. The team were sorted, this was all about individual driver pride and they should have left it to them, simple as that So the team should disregard their own desire to see their cars finish the race in as high a position as possible? |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 30, 2016 11:46:06 GMT
I couldn't agree more with your last point but again I think Mercedes would be wrong to call team orders. The team were sorted, this was all about individual driver pride and they should have left it to them, simple as that So the team should disregard their own desire to see their cars finish the race in as high a position as possible? The race result was irrelevant to the team ... even if both cars did not finish they had the constructors championship won ... the race meant nothing to the team, but meant plenty to the drivers. Only thing to race for was the Drivers championship between 2 drivers ... surely there should be no team orders and let them decide what is the best manner to race in order to win the championship. Hamilton was leading the race, so deserved the right to dictate how the race was run. If Rosberg was good enough to have been leading the race, then he could have employed his preferred tactic. Team prize money is based around how you do over a season, not a single race. So why was is imperative to get a 1-2 in the final race of the season that was already sewn up for Mercedes? |
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Post by Paul on Nov 30, 2016 15:14:39 GMT
So the team should disregard their own desire to see their cars finish the race in as high a position as possible? The race result was irrelevant to the team ... even if both cars did not finish they had the constructors championship won ... the race meant nothing to the team, but meant plenty to the drivers I take your point about prize money being dished out as per the Constructors Championship but every team turns up at a Grand Prix with the intention of finishing first and second. The race result certainly wasn't irrelevant to the team otherwise they wouldn't have taken such a strong tone with Hamilton. I'll say it again; the team wanted that 1-2 finish and Hamilton's actions put that in jeopardy Team orders have been a part of Grand Prix racing before Formula 1 in its current guise was even thought about. I haven't always agreed with them but have come to accept that this is how it is. Railing against it won't change things; teams will always employ team orders in order to maximise their race finish. As far as teams are concerned if they maximise their race finish then the championship points will sort themselves out. They won't employ special conditions just because there is an individual championship at stake |
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Post by Paul on Dec 2, 2016 14:50:49 GMT
Didn't see that one coming! Nico Rosberg retires. Good for him - he's made enough money to enjoy the rest of his life with his young family and he's achieved his dream along the way. It's been an honour to support him from his first race to the last where he realised his life long goal. Thanks for the memories Nico!
But who do I support now? With Nico and Jenson Button both retiring that's my two favourite drivers gone in one go! Maybe Daniel Ricciardo; seems like a decent bloke
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 2, 2016 19:40:33 GMT
Didn't see that one coming! Nico Rosberg retires. Good for him - he's made enough money to enjoy the rest of his life with his young family and he's achieved his dream along the way. It's been an honour to support him from his first race to the last where he realised his life long goal. Thanks for the memories Nico! But who do I support now? With Nico and Jenson Button both retiring that's my two favourite drivers gone in one go! Maybe Daniel Ricciardo; seems like a decent bloke Lewis Hamilton!  I was really shocked to hear about Rosberg's retirement, but he's achieved what he wanted so now his work in F1 is done. Now the question is, who replaces Hamilton? One driver sprung to mind, and that was Sebastian Vettel, who is unhappy at Ferrari, but he is under contract for one more year. That being said, he left Red Bull while being under contract for another 2 years, so it could happen. I doubt Pascal Wehrlein could land the drive, as he's too young. Seeing Hamilton and Vettel at the same team would be really worth watching. |
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Post by John tuthill on Dec 2, 2016 20:14:20 GMT
Didn't see that one coming! Nico Rosberg retires. Good for him - he's made enough money to enjoy the rest of his life with his young family and he's achieved his dream along the way. It's been an honour to support him from his first race to the last where he realised his life long goal. Thanks for the memories Nico! But who do I support now? With Nico and Jenson Button both retiring that's my two favourite drivers gone in one go! Maybe Daniel Ricciardo; seems like a decent bloke Lewis Hamilton! I was really shocked to hear about Rosberg's retirement, but he's achieved what he wanted so now his work in F1 is done. Now the question is, who replaces Hamilton? One driver sprung to mind, and that was Sebastian Vettel, who is unhappy at Ferrari, but he is under contract for one more year. That being said, he left Red Bull while being under contract for another 2 years, so it could happen. I doubt Pascal Wehrlein could land the drive, as he's too young. Seeing Hamilton and Vettel at the same team would be really worth watching. Any of the drivers would jump at the chance of driving the Merc-BUT who would want to be No2 to LH?  |
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Post by Paul on Dec 2, 2016 21:55:55 GMT
Didn't see that one coming! Nico Rosberg retires. Good for him - he's made enough money to enjoy the rest of his life with his young family and he's achieved his dream along the way. It's been an honour to support him from his first race to the last where he realised his life long goal. Thanks for the memories Nico! But who do I support now? With Nico and Jenson Button both retiring that's my two favourite drivers gone in one go! Maybe Daniel Ricciardo; seems like a decent bloke Lewis Hamilton! I was really shocked to hear about Rosberg's retirement, but he's achieved what he wanted so now his work in F1 is done. Now the question is, who replaces Hamilton? One driver sprung to mind, and that was Sebastian Vettel, who is unhappy at Ferrari, but he is under contract for one more year. That being said, he left Red Bull while being under contract for another 2 years, so it could happen. I doubt Pascal Wehrlein could land the drive, as he's too young. Seeing Hamilton and Vettel at the same team would be really worth watching. Hamilton is the one driver I WON'T be supporting!  Mercedes have the chance now to build up a successor to Hamilton by employing a younger driver to act as the dutiful #2 driver i.e. pile up the second places and be there to take advantage should the #1 driver suffer misfortune. As fun as it might be to see Hamilton and Vettel in the same team it's never going to happen. Mercedes don't need the aggro of Hamilton/Rosberg again and by employing a junior driver it keeps Hamilton happy by making him a clear #1 (whatever he might say about wanting equal status with the other driver) That's why, for me, it'll be Wehrlein or Ocon. That said, the bookies are rarely wrong about this sort of thing and apparently Valterri Bottas' 2017 World Championship odds have tumbled this evening..... |
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Post by YY13VKP on Dec 2, 2016 22:02:41 GMT
Lewis Hamilton! I was really shocked to hear about Rosberg's retirement, but he's achieved what he wanted so now his work in F1 is done. Now the question is, who replaces Hamilton? One driver sprung to mind, and that was Sebastian Vettel, who is unhappy at Ferrari, but he is under contract for one more year. That being said, he left Red Bull while being under contract for another 2 years, so it could happen. I doubt Pascal Wehrlein could land the drive, as he's too young. Seeing Hamilton and Vettel at the same team would be really worth watching. Hamilton is the one driver I WON'T be supporting! Mercedes have the chance now to build up a successor to Hamilton by employing a younger driver to act as the dutiful #2 driver i.e. pile up the second places and be there to take advantage should the #1 driver suffer misfortune. As fun as it might be to see Hamilton and Vettel in the same team it's never going to happen. Mercedes don't need the aggro of Hamilton/Rosberg again and by employing a junior driver it keeps Hamilton happy by making him a clear #1 (whatever he might say about wanting equal status with the other driver) That's why, for me, it'll be Wehrlein or Ocon. That said, the bookies are rarely wrong about this sort of thing and apparently Valterri Bottas' 2017 World Championship odds have tumbled this evening..... Ocon is joining Force India next year. |
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Post by RM5chris on Dec 2, 2016 22:03:13 GMT
Would have loved to see Hulkenberg in a decent car....
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Post by Paul on Dec 2, 2016 22:09:22 GMT
Ocon is joining Force India next year. He's a Mercedes junior driver; if Merc decide they want him then they'll get him. It might result in cheaper engine bills for Force India next year but Merc will still get Ocon Would have loved to see Hulkenberg in a decent car.... He wanted a nice seat in a works team as well. But I agree, it would have been great to see him in that Merc |
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 14, 2018 14:26:11 GMT
Quite surprised this thread has seen no use since the end of the Rosberg era.
Who's been watching F1 this season? Hamilton is one win away from sealing this years driver's title. Have to admit though Sebastian Vettel has handed Lewis Hamilton the title on a plate.
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Post by guybowden on Oct 14, 2018 18:35:54 GMT
Ferrari handed Lewis the championship, by about 75%. Vettel the other 25% IMO. All four of Vettel's world titles weren't not won until the latter parts of the season. He can't handle the pressure of keeping a lead and although he has a brilliant sense of humour he's not very good at the mind games needed to have that slight edge over your opponent. Either way this season has been exciting and really close until the last two races, hopefully next year Red Bull can be more of a challenger.
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Post by YY13VKP on Oct 14, 2018 22:12:19 GMT
Ferrari handed Lewis the championship, by about 75%. Vettel the other 25% IMO. All four of Vettel's world titles weren't not won until the latter parts of the season. He can't handle the pressure of keeping a lead and although he has a brilliant sense of humour he's not very good at the mind games needed to have that slight edge over your opponent. Either way this season has been exciting and really close until the last two races, hopefully next year Red Bull can be more of a challenger. Not sure if Red Bull can challenge with a Honda engine in the back of it. I can see Renault potentially rising though with Daniel Ricciardo there along with Hulkenberg, two really talented drivers. If Red Bull run into difficulty with their new Honda engines and Renault build a good new car I can see them replacing Red Bull in the pecking order, just like how Mercedes replaced McLaren in 2013 once Lewis Hamilton joined. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 22, 2018 19:06:01 GMT
Kimi finally won!!!! Cause for celebration!
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