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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 11, 2019 10:25:53 GMT
Route 166 to receive extra buses from next month for the lavender field but journeys will only start from purley to banstead. Inside source not sure where they are gunna get the buses from tho What about the 58 reg ENL's at TC still going - couldn't they be used as the extras seeing as the 166 has a full allocation already? That may be the reason why they're still going a year after they were supposed to be replaced. Every time I've been back home from uni I thought it could be the last time I see those 58 reg ENL's but so far only one has been removed since Christmas, ENL26 which is now at DX |
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Post by DE20106 on Jun 11, 2019 10:43:11 GMT
Hi everyone, been away on holiday for a couple of weeks and trying to catch up on everything I missed, looks like an awful lot has gone on. Included a lovely trip to Edinburgh and trips on a lot of Lothian buses, they’re a fantastic bus company with some brilliant buses. Anyway: What an absolutely savage cut to the 12, can’t say I’m surprised though considering it has seen quite a decline over the past few years and quite a lot of off peak buses are carrying air. 189 I’m also not greatly surprised by. As for the increases, quite an interesting set of choices picked for increases, 66, 432 and H12. The 432 definitely, I use that route an awful lot to visit friends and that route is horrific in the school times and also has very heavy peaks. The H12 is slightly more interesting as it recently had a reduction, it must have been struggling at its reduced frequency. Also I’m intrigued to see where it’s extra buses will come from, ADEs from the 81? As for the 66 I’m surprised by that as I always thought it coped fine at its current 5bph frequency, but obviously not. I’m assuming the 212 will probably get an increase too when it passes to GAL as that’s getting a +2 PVR increase, unless it’s due to driver changeovers. On the topic the gain of the 444 too raise questions over where the hydrogens will go, interesting times ahead  |
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Post by kmkcheng on Jun 11, 2019 10:49:29 GMT
The H12 is slightly more interesting as it recently had a reduction, it must have been struggling at its reduced frequency. Also I’m intrigued to see where it’s extra buses will come from, ADEs from the 81? I was quite surprised by the H12 as well as it’s really only busy during peak times so wasn’t expecting a frequency increase and an extra school journey as well |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2019 11:20:23 GMT
The H12 is slightly more interesting as it recently had a reduction, it must have been struggling at its reduced frequency. Also I’m intrigued to see where it’s extra buses will come from, ADEs from the 81? I was quite surprised by the H12 as well as it’s really only busy during peak times so wasn’t expecting a frequency increase and an extra school journey as well So we can add the H12 to the ever growing list of TfL "U-turns" where they do something clever (ahem!) when retendering a route then weeks later have to negotiate, with the now incumbent operator, to reverse their change. This rubbish has to stop. It must be immensely irritating to everyone involved to negotiate changes and then have to reverse them out because someone didn't understand how the route is used. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2019 11:21:57 GMT
I’m assuming the 212 will probably get an increase too when it passes to GAL as that’s getting a +2 PVR increase, It's been confirmed that it gets a marginal 1 bph peak frequency increase. |
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 11, 2019 11:51:14 GMT
Not sure if referring to during the day translates as between the peaks on Mon-Fri, and it is just an off-peak increase, so might not require extra buses However the vague wording could mean the peak hours will be same, because peak hour is during the day (does it mean all day, during daylight hours, or something else ?) I always take "During the day" to mean Monday-Saturday between approximately 07.00 and 19.00. |
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Post by foxhat on Jun 11, 2019 12:33:10 GMT
I was quite surprised by the H12 as well as it’s really only busy during peak times so wasn’t expecting a frequency increase and an extra school journey as well So we can add the H12 to the ever growing list of TfL "U-turns" where they do something clever (ahem!) when retendering a route then weeks later have to negotiate, with the now incumbent operator, to reverse their change. This rubbish has to stop. It must be immensely irritating to everyone involved to negotiate changes and then have to reverse them out because someone didn't understand how the route is used. Also whether TfL will foot the bill for the extra vehicles. Can only suspect they would have to. |
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Post by Lukeo on Jun 11, 2019 12:43:15 GMT
The H12 is slightly more interesting as it recently had a reduction, it must have been struggling at its reduced frequency. Also I’m intrigued to see where it’s extra buses will come from, ADEs from the 81? It’s definitely not struggling off-peak, I wasn’t surprised when the frequency was reduced to every 12 mins to begin with as I felt it was a long time coming. I was surprised that they didn’t retain the peak frequency of every 10 mins however, as buses were often pretty much full, and that’s probably why they’re changing it back (although I haven’t used the route during peak times since the reduction). I guess it doesn’t cost too much more to just keep it 10 mins between the peaks too? The extra journey is definitely needed at school time though for hatch end high, surprised there isn’t an extra H14 journey too. |
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 11, 2019 12:43:34 GMT
As for the 66 I’m surprised by that as I always thought it coped fine at its current 5bph frequency, but obviously not. At peak times between Gants Hill and Romford the 66 does get quite busy with commuters and school kids so the weekday frequency increase will come handy, meanwhile the off-peak on the 66 isn't too busy and the bit between Gants Hill and Leytonstone most of time doesn't have more than 10-15 people on the bus unless there is something wrong with the Central line. Anyway full approval from me with this weekday frequency increase and it is something I wasn't expecting to happen at all. |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 11, 2019 13:36:37 GMT
As for the 66 I’m surprised by that as I always thought it coped fine at its current 5bph frequency, but obviously not. At peak times between Gants Hill and Romford the 66 does get quite busy with commuters and school kids so the weekday frequency increase will come handy, meanwhile the off-peak on the 66 isn't too busy and the bit between Gants Hill and Leytonstone most of time doesn't have more than 10-15 people on the bus unless there is something wrong with the Central line. Anyway full approval from me with this weekday frequency increase and it is something I wasn't expecting to happen at all. I can see the point perhaps with peak / school times but otherwise this looks like a waste of money. I had to go along Eastern Avenue last week but needed to take the 396. The 66s I saw were not exactly overflowing with people off peak. I don't see the point in carrying more fresh air between Leytonstone and Romford. For whatever reason many Ilford routes were in a mess that day - turns evident on the 296, 396, 462 and late running. The 396 I did get was well over 10 mins late, was packed downstairs and one old chap said he'd been waiting an hour at Newbury Park to run east of there. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 11, 2019 14:25:23 GMT
Surplus from the 393 and not needed for the GOBLIN standby service?? I believe the Goblin standbys are still on standby i saw ENL1 running last week They stopped around 3 weeks ago, I think Thursday was the last day. The service and drivers are their but now all on standby in case the line collapses, then its all battle stations. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 11, 2019 14:36:21 GMT
As for the 66 I’m surprised by that as I always thought it coped fine at its current 5bph frequency, but obviously not. At peak times between Gants Hill and Romford the 66 does get quite busy with commuters and school kids so the weekday frequency increase will come handy, meanwhile the off-peak on the 66 isn't too busy and the bit between Gants Hill and Leytonstone most of time doesn't have more than 10-15 people on the bus unless there is something wrong with the Central line. Anyway full approval from me with this weekday frequency increase and it is something I wasn't expecting to happen at all. The 66 is not a pvr increase. Its a change to the schedule. Still 13 buses. Check previous pages, I have put the info here. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 11, 2019 14:39:52 GMT
No, their finances are not in a good way. Maybe/yes Khan has possibly exasperated it with the fares freeze but in fairness I don't think we should have to pay more then £1.50-1.60 for a single fare so I think the fares freeze is fair tbh. Personally I'd like a mayor with the guts to reduce the freedom pass to just a bus pass after 9.30 like everywhere else in the country to bring in some revenue (and encourage bus use amongst older people rather then the tube). I think changes in travelling (better tube, cycling, walking and of course Uber style services) mean buses inevitably will be used less juts as shops are used less and cloth must be cut. Khan increasing the bus fare to £2 may prop up over bussed sections but will probably lead to a further drop in usage. It's a fine line because I do get if people have to wait longer they may turn away from buses (I certainly wouldn't to the 25, 8 then a walk or 55/98 to reach Oxo. I don't think I would even take the 8 to get from Bank to Oxo due to the change over at TCR or a walk to complete the journey. I'd use the central line now). The biggest problem in London is the flat fare itself, it doesn't generate enough income. If they went back to a central and outer fare, or scrap the 11-16 fare. Its a give and take, people cannot expect, free child, free teenagers, free, college sixth form, no restriction on pensioners, then wonder why the adult fare went so high.
I would say the fare system is WRONG. I would keep £1.50 then reintroduce anyone from 11 to have to pay a child fare etc. It is silly everything for free. because you then get it back in taxes or some other stealth way.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 11, 2019 14:49:49 GMT
Following info is now below the Central London changes on TfL website tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changes?intcmp=47904Route 189 - Frequency reduction From Saturday 22 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route 189 will be reduced to 6 buses an hour. Routes 301 - New route From Saturday 13 July 2019, a new route 301 will be introduced between Bexleyheath and Woolwich town centre. Buses will run along Beresford Street, Plumstead Road, Pettman Crescent, Nathan Way, Eastern Way, Western Way, Central Way, Twin Tumps Way Roundabout, Central Way, Thamesmere Drive Roundabout, Bentham Road, Boiler House Roundabout, Carlyle Road, Harrow Manor Way, Lensbury Way Roundabout, Harrow Manor Way, Knee Hill, Abbey Wood Road, Abbey Road, New Road, Woolwich Road, Brampton Road, Long Lane, Woolwich Road, North Street, Chapel Road, Geddes Place, Market Place, Friswell Place, Arnsberg Way and Friswell Place. Route 326 - Re-route From Saturday 29 June 2019, route 326 will be re-routed eastbound only via Hendon Lane and Regents Park Road. Route 432 - Frequency increase From Saturday 22 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route 432 will increase to 6 buses an hour. Route H12 - Frequency increase From Saturday 29 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route H12 will increase to 6 buses an hour. There will be an additional school day journey at 15:25 between Hatch End High School and Stanmore station. Cut for Metroline on 189, gain for Arriva (301), increases for GoAhead (432) and RATP (H12) I wonder when the 472 change will happen now seeing as the 301 would mitigate the 472 no longer serving Bentham Road, having said that good to see the 301 is being introduced |
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Post by redbus on Jun 11, 2019 15:14:32 GMT
Following info is now below the Central London changes on TfL website tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changes?intcmp=47904Route 189 - Frequency reduction From Saturday 22 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route 189 will be reduced to 6 buses an hour. Routes 301 - New route From Saturday 13 July 2019, a new route 301 will be introduced between Bexleyheath and Woolwich town centre. Buses will run along Beresford Street, Plumstead Road, Pettman Crescent, Nathan Way, Eastern Way, Western Way, Central Way, Twin Tumps Way Roundabout, Central Way, Thamesmere Drive Roundabout, Bentham Road, Boiler House Roundabout, Carlyle Road, Harrow Manor Way, Lensbury Way Roundabout, Harrow Manor Way, Knee Hill, Abbey Wood Road, Abbey Road, New Road, Woolwich Road, Brampton Road, Long Lane, Woolwich Road, North Street, Chapel Road, Geddes Place, Market Place, Friswell Place, Arnsberg Way and Friswell Place. Route 326 - Re-route From Saturday 29 June 2019, route 326 will be re-routed eastbound only via Hendon Lane and Regents Park Road. Route 432 - Frequency increase From Saturday 22 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route 432 will increase to 6 buses an hour. Route H12 - Frequency increase From Saturday 29 June 2019, Monday to Saturday during the day, the frequency on route H12 will increase to 6 buses an hour. There will be an additional school day journey at 15:25 between Hatch End High School and Stanmore station. Cut for Metroline on 189, gain for Arriva (301), increases for GoAhead (432) and RATP (H12) In respect of the 189, it lost a lot of passengers when it was re-routed away from Oxford Circus to Marble Arch. I spend too much of my life waiting for the 189 as it is, so not best pleased. |
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