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Post by rj131 on Dec 13, 2019 0:17:40 GMT
Has the overcrowding eased at all since its most recent frequency increase from 5 to 6bph? (I’m assuming you think not lol) No real noticeable decrease in overcrowding, buses are still packed to the rafters regularly. To be fair it’s probably attracted more people to the route with a better frequency hence why the crowding is just as bad. I think the same with the 158, that’s had a huge increase but it’s still just as overcrowded. I could almost guarantee that will have a massive increase in numbers on next years usage figures.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 13, 2019 2:26:02 GMT
Has the overcrowding eased at all since its most recent frequency increase from 5 to 6bph? (I’m assuming you think not lol) No real noticeable decrease in overcrowding, buses are still packed to the rafters regularly. Whereabouts and at what time of day?
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 5:03:00 GMT
No real noticeable decrease in overcrowding, buses are still packed to the rafters regularly. To be fair it’s probably attracted more people to the route with a better frequency hence why the crowding is just as bad. I think the same with the 158, that’s had a huge increase but it’s still just as overcrowded. I could almost guarantee that will have a massive increase in numbers on next years usage figures. Any overcrowding on the 112 is probably further exasperated by the heavy traffic that causes gaps in the service.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 13, 2019 12:44:52 GMT
To be fair it’s probably attracted more people to the route with a better frequency hence why the crowding is just as bad. I think the same with the 158, that’s had a huge increase but it’s still just as overcrowded. I could almost guarantee that will have a massive increase in numbers on next years usage figures. Any overcrowding on the 112 is probably further exasperated by the heavy traffic that causes gaps in the service. Also the 112 will attract a considerable amount of patronage if it's extended to North Finchley via the 232 as TFL proposed not too long ago, which I hope does happen as there is scope for extending the 112. If the extension happens then that's an incentive to convert it to Double Decks.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2019 13:10:03 GMT
Any overcrowding on the 112 is probably further exasperated by the heavy traffic that causes gaps in the service. Also the 112 will attract a considerable amount of patronage if it's extended to North Finchley via the 232 as TFL proposed not too long ago, which I hope does happen as there is scope for extending the 112. If the extension happens then that's an incentive to convert it to Double Decks. An extension is the last thing the 112 needs given it will simply make the unreliability worse - double deckers and a look at improving its reliability of the current route is what it really needs IMO.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 13, 2019 13:52:01 GMT
Operating single deck buses on busy routes or ones which are prone to bunching and delays from traffic congestion seems a false economy in these straightened times. If you are going to bother to employ a driver, get them to drive a DD, ensure that everyone can board the first bus that arrives and get better value for money.
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 13, 2019 13:54:16 GMT
Also the 112 will attract a considerable amount of patronage if it's extended to North Finchley via the 232 as TFL proposed not too long ago, which I hope does happen as there is scope for extending the 112. If the extension happens then that's an incentive to convert it to Double Decks. An extension is the last thing the 112 needs given it will simply make the unreliability worse - double deckers and a look at improving its reliability of the current route is what it really needs IMO. The 112 can suffer from reliability issues indeed because of the potential congestion along the North Circular. However according to the LBR website its max running time is 54 mins, if this is the 'worst case scenario' then the extension to North Finchley would perhaps add another 20-30 mins to its running time which is still feasible. Not forgetting the busy 232 would also be given some assistance along the common section.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 13, 2019 15:47:58 GMT
No real noticeable decrease in overcrowding, buses are still packed to the rafters regularly. Whereabouts and at what time of day? During the peaks I see rammed buses leaving Ealing Broadway.
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Post by snowman on Dec 13, 2019 21:31:18 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 13, 2019 21:43:19 GMT
I find it funny the 238 has extra buses every single weekend the District/H&C are closed yet TfL only seem to mention this specific Sunday
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Post by snowman on Dec 16, 2019 18:30:44 GMT
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Post by busman on Dec 17, 2019 0:53:16 GMT
I wonder when the consultation for the rerouting of the 92 going to be released? And will there be a replacement for the lost section. I suspect rerouting can be done without any need for a replacement if the 92 is diverted after the Clare Road stop via Berkeley Avenue (the old GSK entrance) emerging onto Greenford Road. I would think that new stops would be in the new Greystar development with a pair of new stops on Greenford Road adjacent to stops that will no longer be served (Oldfield Close). Was I wrong? 😁 consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/route-92/user_uploads/route-92-proposed-changes-map.pdf
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 17, 2019 1:52:31 GMT
In 1993 there was big changes in east London when routes 300,308,309 and 325 started on the same day. O and the 473! That was Newham are changes, still have the booklet, nice colour A4 around 10 pages. They also did the same in 1992 for Ilford area changes. The Walthamstow area changes of 1988 had a similar thing (booklet not as big though)
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 17, 2019 1:58:18 GMT
The Enviro 400s, press and hold the door open/close button as soon as the passenger operates the emergency control. The VWs, much as I loved them the close button won't work unless the doors are fully open. The VPs, I would be watching the gangway mirror and press and hold the door close button when I could see someone was thinking about pressing the emergency button. More times I would try to discourage the practice by rolling up to traffic lights slowly rather than approaching at normal speed then stopping for longer. SN’s Have The Best Emergency Button OverRide System...... Never Has A Passenger Successfully Left My 207 Using The Emergency ‘Air Dump’ Button Looooooool The Plaxton Pointer 2 and President was the best, there was no chance of opening with this if you just put your finger on the close button and hold it down constantly.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 17, 2019 2:09:05 GMT
From memory, the 03 & 53 reg DW's at TC didn't stop when the rear doors were opened as some idiot from my school temporarily jammed one of the rear doors opened for a good 20 seconds as we were going down Knights Hill at speed before the door slammed shut like I've never seen a door do so - honestly thought the door would of fallen off. The DLA's seemed to have a lock preventing the driver from driving if the rear doors were opened as a few times on the 468, some drivers would seemingly forget the rear doors were opened, take off the handbrake and the bus just revved and revved going nowhere. The L class Leyland Olympians from the 80s could initially¹ be driven with the rear doors open, not even a school-type bell ring (back then prior to buzzers). I saw this on more than one occasion where drivers forgot to close the doors on those types. ¹ - presumably modified/reconfigured not too long after I remember the Titans initially did this until someone got dragged underneath the rear wheels after being trapped in the exit door. Link the disability program that came on tv Sunday made a big issue over this. Eventually LT fit sensitive edge to the rear doors and exit door buzzers. If emergency door was pressed or sensitive edge activated it had put the bus in neutral gear, so you could have still coast, now modern buses applies the brakes.
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