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Post by dlroper on Aug 4, 2021 21:50:57 GMT
So I assume this means the 15, 42, 78 and 100's routings are permanent. 42/78/100 yes they are permanent, the 15 could technically run through the Bus Station, but I am not sure it would work well. Good - makes photographing them easier .....................................
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 7, 2021 8:13:24 GMT
The late evening extras on route 108 recommence tonight (Saturday 7th August). Double-deck buses will depart North Greenwich for Lewisham every 15 minutes between 22.45 and 01.15 on all nights of the week, giving a 7-8 minute service combined with through journeys from Stratford International. The extras will operate in service in this direction only.
Previously the buses and drivers went on to night routes and I presume this will be the case again.
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 7, 2021 10:04:47 GMT
The late evening extras on route 108 recommence tonight (Saturday 7th August). Double-deck buses will depart North Greenwich for Lewisham every 15 minutes between 22.45 and 01.15 on all nights of the week, giving a 7-8 minute service combined with through journeys from Stratford International. The extras will operate in service in this direction only. Previously the buses and drivers went on to night routes and I presume this will be the case again. I often wish the drivers on that route did the regular 108, they get to Lewisham about 8 minutes quicker than the normal route!
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 8, 2021 10:32:20 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2021 10:42:41 GMT
If that is the full extent I would be very surprised ... only 5 or 6 routes currently mentioned on there. If that is all it is, it is not frightening, more a great relief that is it, but sure more details are to come. 7 we knew about 27 think we knew about 43 we knew about 113 not sure, not a route I would pay much attention to 507/521 we knew about
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Post by YX10FFN on Aug 8, 2021 10:54:54 GMT
If that is the full extent I would be very surprised ... only 5 or 6 routes currently mentioned on there. If that is all it is, it is not frightening, more a great relief that is it, but sure more details are to come. 7 we knew about 27 think we knew about 43 we knew about 113 not sure, not a route I would pay much attention to 507/521 we knew about Started to read the cuts and rushed to this thread rather prematurely, you're right I'm sure more is to come.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 8, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
The 113 finally confirmed as cut to Oxford Street and standing at Marble Arch aswell.
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 8, 2021 10:58:18 GMT
If that is the full extent I would be very surprised ... only 5 or 6 routes currently mentioned on there. If that is all it is, it is not frightening, more a great relief that is it, but sure more details are to come. 7 we knew about 27 think we knew about 43 we knew about 113 not sure, not a route I would pay much attention to 507/521 we knew about Not that frightening nor surprising, this is just taking out excess capacity especially during on Mon-Fri when the number of office workers in Central London has massively reduced. There are plenty of other opportunities to take out excess capacity, unfortunately often where routes have been curtailed or diverted in recent years resulting in a loss of patronage as they no longer serve the places they were originally meant to.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 8, 2021 11:03:48 GMT
If that is the full extent I would be very surprised ... only 5 or 6 routes currently mentioned on there. If that is all it is, it is not frightening, more a great relief that is it, but sure more details are to come. 7 we knew about 27 think we knew about 43 we knew about 113 not sure, not a route I would pay much attention to 507/521 we knew about Not that frightening nor surprising, this is just taking out excess capacity especially during on Mon-Fri when the number of office workers in Central London has massively reduced. There are plenty of other opportunities to take out excess capacity, unfortunately often where routes have been curtailed or diverted in recent years resulting in a loss of patronage as they no longer serve the places they were originally meant to. This is just part of an ongoing process to match frequencies more closely to (reducing) demand in Central London, this has been going on for some time. The 507 and 521 PVR reductions are particularly striking because of the heavy peak loadings these routes had previously, but the frequencies at other times aren't much reduced (and extra peak buses can be added back in if demand picks up).
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Post by WH241 on Aug 8, 2021 11:08:55 GMT
Slightly ironic cuts kick in as we pretty much return to normal and more workers are returning to work. We are also opening up travel from other countries so will hopefully see a gradual return of tourist.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 8, 2021 11:36:48 GMT
If that is the full extent I would be very surprised ... only 5 or 6 routes currently mentioned on there. If that is all it is, it is not frightening, more a great relief that is it, but sure more details are to come. 7 we knew about 27 think we knew about 43 we knew about 113 not sure, not a route I would pay much attention to 507/521 we knew about Started to read the cuts and rushed to this thread rather prematurely, you're right I'm sure more is to come. Intrigued to know what was the frightening change?
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 8, 2021 11:41:30 GMT
Are the new 507/521 PVRs correct here? Was previously stated as being 9 and 15 respectively
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2021 11:51:05 GMT
Are the new 507/521 PVRs correct here? Was previously stated as being 9 and 15 respectively If you check the 507 & 521, you notice there is a ? next to both PVR numbers meaning he isn’t sure if that’s the correct number yet. That said, I was told by someone who works at RA who saw the details of the PVR cuts and said there would be a total of 25 PVR left at RA which the total on londonbusroutes meets exactly so I’m sure we’ll know for definite in due course
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Post by redbus on Aug 8, 2021 12:06:53 GMT
For me it a lot boils down to wrong timing. Ultimately you can't have passenger demand and number of buses having a large mismatch, but our politicians need to understand this is not the time to be worrying about it, now is the time to maintain funding and service. Why? - It is well known that reducing service levels reduces the number of passengers. Now is the time to welcome passengers back not push them away. If you don't want a car led recovery, then don't reduce the bus service. There are consequences to reducing the bus (and tube) service
- No one yet knows where demand will finally lay following Covid. Only when that is established can services be properly aligned with demand and if need be reduced.
- Many people are happy to get back on buses and be in close proximity to others, but we have to recognise that many others are not. If you reduce the service leaving the remaining buses more crowded you may never get those passengers who at the moment need a bit more space back. If they then get back into cars, that won't be too clever.
- In order to bring passengers back there needs to be a proper marketing campaign, something bigger than that at the start of Covid telling everyone NOT to use buses and tubes. The 'welcome back' advert I have seen just does not do it.
- Many of the central London routes having proposed cuts have lost a lot of passengers due to a lack of tourism. I expect tourists will come back as borders open, so don't cut services now before we know what impact the return of tourism will have.
This is just a recipe for disaster. I will now stick my neck out with with an example, bus 113. It is being cut back to every 8-9 mins and re-routed from Oxford Circus to Marble Arch. This combination will reduce passenger number further and will mean a further cut to the 113 in due course. Paradoxically it will increase the numbers of passengers on the 13 as there will no longer be a benefit in waiting for 113 which goes down Oxford Street. I suspect it will also help the 139 as the last bus route from Baker Street going to Oxford Circus.
Forgive those in power for they know not what they are doing.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 8, 2021 12:31:23 GMT
For me it a lot boils down to wrong timing. Ultimately you can't have passenger demand and number of buses having a large mismatch, but our politicians need to understand this is not the time to be worrying about it, now is the time to maintain funding and service. Why? - It is well known that reducing service levels reduces the number of passengers. Now is the time to welcome passengers back not push them away. If you don't want a car led recovery, then don't reduce the bus service. There are consequences to reducing the bus (and tube) service
- No one yet knows where demand will finally lay following Covid. Only when that is established can services be properly aligned with demand and if need be reduced.
- Many people are happy to get back on buses and be in close proximity to others, but we have to recognise that many others are not. If you reduce the service leaving the remaining buses more crowded you may never get those passengers who at the moment need a bit more space back. If they then get back into cars, that won't be too clever.
- In order to bring passengers back there needs to be a proper marketing campaign, something bigger than that at the start of Covid telling everyone NOT to use buses and tubes. The 'welcome back' advert I have seen just does not do it.
- Many of the central London routes having proposed cuts have lost a lot of passengers due to a lack of tourism. I expect tourists will come back as borders open, so don't cut services now before we know what impact the return of tourism will have.
This is just a recipe for disaster. I will now stick my neck out with with an example, bus 113. It is being cut back to every 8-9 mins and re-routed from Oxford Circus to Marble Arch. This combination will reduce passenger number further and will mean a further cut to the 113 in due course. Paradoxically it will increase the numbers of passengers on the 13 as there will no longer be a benefit in waiting for 113 which goes down Oxford Street. I suspect it will also help the 139 as the last bus route from Baker Street going to Oxford Circus.
Forgive those in power for they know not what they are doing.
Quite honestly I think your closing comment is an insult to "those in power" who probably know a lot more than anyone on here does. Yes it is unfortunate that these cuts are happening just as restrictions are being gradually lifted but some of these cuts should have been made a over a year ago, especially the 521. All the empty buses that have been running every few minutes during peak hours on the 521 have to be paid for and the X68 should have been suspended as well. I suspect the aim of the Finchley Road reductions is to force more people onto the tube. Obviously services that have been reduced can be increased again at a later date should the demand warrant it although I suspect that main reason for doing it this way at the moment is to avoid the need for consultations. I'm not sure it's time yet for any 'welcome back' campaigns, if a surge back to public transport leads to a parallel surge in covid then who is going to be blamed for that? I've got friends in Sydney and I certainly wouldn't want to be in their situation.
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