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Post by WH241 on Jan 26, 2022 22:07:08 GMT
greenboy enough's enough I am reporting you- You have been asking politely to stop referring to me by my old membership name. Yet again you accuse me of trolling when I am simply replying to posts who is trolling who here?
Sorry to other users for the constant disruption.
And that right there guys is the reason why I left the forum in the first place. Coming from the person who accused me of trolling when I was just replying to posts and giving my thoughts and opinions. Now you know how I felt. You know what I’m fed up being the scapegoat here. I’m an easy target because I speak up at don’t always agree. Time and time again new accounts come and find fault with me funny that isn’t it? You only have to look how many accounts sign up but never post, some people have multiple accounts. You could have added me to ignore! Funny you had issues with me but second post back is about my soon to be local route the 304 which I have spoken about lots recently. I’m not debating this further as there is constant disruption. If I’m not welcome on the forum staff are welcome to tell me.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 26, 2022 22:16:38 GMT
At £4.80 off peak and £6.10 peak. I’d probably opt for the 53 over southeastern train. I only ever do that trip if I have serious time on my hands. I recall doing that trip for the first time from Lower Marsh to Woolwich about 12 years ago. It was a Saturday and was an absolute nightmare due to traffic, took me about 2 hours. The 53 isn’t a bad shout in the very early morning or evenings though. Jokes aside, you make a very good point about the cost. These long distance links are essential for lower paid workers getting in and out of London cheaply and Uni students too. Plus on some sections of the route there are passengers not necessarily doing long distance journeys into C London but more from suburb to suburb.
I believe it was cl54 who said that there are plenty of punters boarding the 53 between Woolwich / Plumstead travelling to Deptford / New Cross on the service. Very similar to the 25.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2022 22:41:07 GMT
greenboy enough's enough I am reporting you- You have been asking politely to stop referring to me by my old membership name. Yet again you accuse me of trolling when I am simply replying to posts who is trolling who here? Sorry to other users for the constant disruption.
And that right there guys is the reason why I left the forum in the first place. Coming from the person who accused me of trolling when I was just replying to posts and giving my thoughts and opinions. Now you know how I felt. Two wrongs don’t make a right though otherwise this forum really has gone to the dogs if that’s the case.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 26, 2022 22:46:45 GMT
25 and 53 aswell. Oh and they wonder why people don't use buses. The 53 was 74 mins in my 2001 Out and About guide from Plumstead Common to Oxo. Now 90 mins to Lambeth North. Hardly a realistic way to travel into town for most. I don't think many people would be doing end to end journeys on the 53, Plumstead to Waterloo is about half an hour on the train. In some cases thou some people are still happy to do an e2e by bus for their journey rather than changing from a bus to the train. One of the more prominent examples I can give is probably the 134, plenty of crowd travelling from Muswell Hill / Colney Hatch into Camden / Warren Street & before it’s cutback it used to have a very steady peak time commuter flow from New Oxford Street towards North London. Even when you walk around Central London the 94 / 139 / 159 are always carrying high loadings and those normally have the options of the Central, Jubilee & Victoria lines.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 26, 2022 22:51:21 GMT
I don't think many people would be doing end to end journeys on the 53, Plumstead to Waterloo is about half an hour on the train. In some cases thou some people are still happy to do an e2e by bus for their journey rather than changing from a bus to the train. One of the more prominent examples I can give is probably the 134, plenty of crowd travelling from Muswell Hill / Colney Hatch into Camden / Warren Street & before it’s cutback it used to have a very steady peak time commuter flow from New Oxford Street towards North London. Even when you walk around Central London the 94 / 139 / 159 are always carrying high loadings and those normally have the options of the Central, Jubilee & Victoria lines. The 53 is probably busiest between Elephant & Castle and Blackheath and again between Woolwich and Plumstead Common at peak times, I doubt if there are many end to end journeys.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 26, 2022 22:59:15 GMT
I don't think many people would be doing end to end journeys on the 53, Plumstead to Waterloo is about half an hour on the train. In some cases thou some people are still happy to do an e2e by bus for their journey rather than changing from a bus to the train. One of the more prominent examples I can give is probably the 134, plenty of crowd travelling from Muswell Hill / Colney Hatch into Camden / Warren Street & before it’s cutback it used to have a very steady peak time commuter flow from New Oxford Street towards North London. Even when you walk around Central London the 94 / 139 / 159 are always carrying high loadings and those normally have the options of the Central, Jubilee & Victoria lines. Have commuted home on many occasions for various reasons on the 94, getting on at Oxford Street usually, even though I'm typically riding it for enthusiast purposes (rather than the tube) there is a sizeable proportion of passengers who get on in the West End who stay on past Shepherds Bush, sometimes as far as Turnham Green Station. This is why I was particularly frustrated that they are seemingly (although with no concrete date) slicing the 94 back to where it is inaccessible or difficult for many West End workers.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 26, 2022 23:26:49 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 27, 2022 0:18:41 GMT
And that right there guys is the reason why I left the forum in the first place. Coming from the person who accused me of trolling when I was just replying to posts and giving my thoughts and opinions. Now you know how I felt. You know what I’m fed up being the scapegoat here. I’m an easy target because I speak up at don’t always agree. Time and time again new accounts come and find fault with me funny that isn’t it? You only have to look how many accounts sign up but never post, some people have multiple accounts. You could have added me to ignore! Funny you had issues with me but second post back is about my soon to be local route the 304 which I have spoken about lots recently. I’m not debating this further as there is constant disruption. If I’m not welcome on the forum staff are welcome to tell me. I accept no shite from anyone on this forum ... if you have a beef to make .. make it. But don't let anyone affect your participation in this forum. Just stick up for yourself. People who post on here are not worthy of being upset by. The staff on this forum might as well not be there ... some of them are a disgrace. One of them changed my display name ... Is that allowed!?!
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Post by cl54 on Jan 27, 2022 2:21:48 GMT
In some cases thou some people are still happy to do an e2e by bus for their journey rather than changing from a bus to the train. One of the more prominent examples I can give is probably the 134, plenty of crowd travelling from Muswell Hill / Colney Hatch into Camden / Warren Street & before it’s cutback it used to have a very steady peak time commuter flow from New Oxford Street towards North London. Even when you walk around Central London the 94 / 139 / 159 are always carrying high loadings and those normally have the options of the Central, Jubilee & Victoria lines. The 53 is probably busiest between Elephant & Castle and Blackheath and again between Woolwich and Plumstead Common at peak times, I doubt if there are many end to end journeys. The 53 does frequently leave the Elephant & Castle full and sets down a few people at stops down the Old Kent Road. More get off at New Cross Garage but are replaced by new passengers. This is mainly people changing from buses from Peckham. Deptford Bridge (where the 453 terminates) is another loading point. Buses then run fairly full to Charlton Village (which is about a 10 minute walk from Charlton station) and into Woolwich. Lots of people do board in Woolwich to travel up to the Plumstead Common area.
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Post by danorak on Jan 27, 2022 7:07:07 GMT
At £4.80 off peak and £6.10 peak. I’d probably opt for the 53 over southeastern train. I only ever do that trip if I have serious time on my hands. I recall doing that trip for the first time from Lower Marsh to Woolwich about 12 years ago. It was a Saturday and was an absolute nightmare due to traffic, took me about 2 hours. The 53 isn’t a bad shout in the very early morning or evenings though. Jokes aside, you make a very good point about the cost. These long distance links are essential for lower paid workers getting in and out of London cheaply and Uni students too. I tend to use it heading away from County Hall and once you factor in the time taken getting to and from the station, and often needing to change at London Bridge, it's surprisingly competitive on time from Blackheath and Charlton. Coming into town can be a little erratic. On my last journey, the bus ran slow and packed up at New Cross. What was noticeable was how many people then opted to switch to the 453 as opposed to the 53 directly behind. That does suggest to me, when combined with the significant numbers who board at Lower Marsh on the return, that the 53 doesn't quite get far enough into the centre and there is still a desire for those journeys.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 27, 2022 7:15:19 GMT
I wonder where those LT's will go
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Post by greenboy on Jan 27, 2022 7:30:04 GMT
I only ever do that trip if I have serious time on my hands. I recall doing that trip for the first time from Lower Marsh to Woolwich about 12 years ago. It was a Saturday and was an absolute nightmare due to traffic, took me about 2 hours. The 53 isn’t a bad shout in the very early morning or evenings though. Jokes aside, you make a very good point about the cost. These long distance links are essential for lower paid workers getting in and out of London cheaply and Uni students too. I tend to use it heading away from County Hall and once you factor in the time taken getting to and from the station, and often needing to change at London Bridge, it's surprisingly competitive on time from Blackheath and Charlton. Coming into town can be a little erratic. On my last journey, the bus ran slow and packed up at New Cross. What was noticeable was how many people then opted to switch to the 453 as opposed to the 53 directly behind. That does suggest to me, when combined with the significant numbers who board at Lower Marsh on the return, that the 53 doesn't quite get far enough into the centre and there is still a desire for those journeys. That is a bit of a dilemma that the 53 doesn't quite go far enough into the central area and didn't when it terminated at Whitehall just short of so many objectives. Would a return to Oxford Circus be a viable possibility?
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Post by greenboy on Jan 27, 2022 7:32:13 GMT
I wonder where those LT's will go I would have thought the W7 was ideal for LT's, faster unloading at Finsbury Park.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 27, 2022 7:47:59 GMT
I wonder where those LT's will go I would have thought the W7 was ideal for LT's, faster unloading at Finsbury Park. Will 9 be enough?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 27, 2022 7:54:44 GMT
I would have thought the W7 was ideal for LT's, faster unloading at Finsbury Park. Will 9 be enough? They could not make the turn at Morris Place and probably would struggle at Muswell Hill. In the case of Morris Place even E400s are difficult to turn.
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