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Post by vjaska on Jan 25, 2015 16:00:10 GMT
Interesting from Twitter. Someone asking when the 3 Will go back To Oxford Circus. Tfl bus alerts am say it is a permanent change. Asked why no consultation, tfl bus alerts advise to contact customer services. Now I know there is no point in these consultations anyway, but when are they required to have a consultation and when are they not? No consultation for 7/98 as far as I'm aware and looks like that is definite now permanent, yet tfl consult for minor things such as tweaks in frequency? I wouldn't be surprised if for some routes they never go back. In that case, maybe TfL can pay Abellio to put up a more accurate blind than Piccadilly Circus because it's not Abellio's fault about this sudden and disappointing decision. |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 25, 2015 16:06:46 GMT
Interesting from Twitter. Someone asking when the 3 Will go back To Oxford Circus. Tfl bus alerts am say it is a permanent change. Asked why no consultation, tfl bus alerts advise to contact customer services. Now I know there is no point in these consultations anyway, but when are they required to have a consultation and when are they not? No consultation for 7/98 as far as I'm aware and looks like that is definite now permanent, yet tfl consult for minor things such as tweaks in frequency? I wouldn't be surprised if for some routes they never go back. The 15 is due to go back next week, so let's see if that happens Having just looked at the tweet, the person behind the computer at the TFL end doesn't know if it's temporary of premanent, but they seem confident it's a long term change Yes your right, the 15 is due to go back but I will be AMAZED if it does! |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 25, 2015 20:24:14 GMT
Interesting from Twitter. Someone asking when the 3 Will go back To Oxford Circus. Tfl bus alerts am say it is a permanent change. Asked why no consultation, tfl bus alerts advise to contact customer services. Now I know there is no point in these consultations anyway, but when are they required to have a consultation and when are they not? No consultation for 7/98 as far as I'm aware and looks like that is definite now permanent, yet tfl consult for minor things such as tweaks in frequency? I wouldn't be surprised if for some routes they never go back. I am in the midst of an exchange with TfL about the W11 / W15 fiasco. After waiting months and having to chase a reply I got a response. I have sent a rather "pointed" response back having revised it three times and leaving it 14 days before sending a reply. Recent issues with the consultation process suggest the whole process is descending into chaos. Below is a quote from the response I got. Below is a quote from a recent letter from the Commissioner to the London Assembly Transport Committee. Given the statement above from the Commissioner I have played that back to TfL asking them if it is true and is policy. It makes no exception for temporary diversions and the examples of the 61 / 273, 205 and 130 / 312 have all been subject to consultation and were all temporary reroutings for road works. I am still extremely cross about what has gone on with the W11 and W15 and am considering next steps depending on how TfL reply. If TfL don't want to respond to me then they can have the thrill of responding to people they may pay some attention to!  I have said to them that it would be far better just to admit they ballsed up [1] the W11 and W15 reversion than try and create some sort of pretence that what happened was completely in line with policy and practice when everything I can find / have heard said in formal sessions with politicians says that it was not. The changes to services in and around Zone 1 suggest to me that the consultation system is completely broken as I suspect we are facing permanent cut backs to services but no one is brave enough to say it in public. [1] a technical term.   |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 25, 2015 22:18:07 GMT
Interesting from Twitter. Someone asking when the 3 Will go back To Oxford Circus. Tfl bus alerts am say it is a permanent change. Asked why no consultation, tfl bus alerts advise to contact customer services. Now I know there is no point in these consultations anyway, but when are they required to have a consultation and when are they not? No consultation for 7/98 as far as I'm aware and looks like that is definite now permanent, yet tfl consult for minor things such as tweaks in frequency? I wouldn't be surprised if for some routes they never go back. I am in the midst of an exchange with TfL about the W11 / W15 fiasco. After waiting months and having to chase a reply I got a response. I have sent a rather "pointed" response back having revised it three times and leaving it 14 days before sending a reply. Recent issues with the consultation process suggest the whole process is descending into chaos. Below is a quote from the response I got. Below is a quote from a recent letter from the Commissioner to the London Assembly Transport Committee. Given the statement above from the Commissioner I have played that back to TfL asking them if it is true and is policy. It makes no exception for temporary diversions and the examples of the 61 / 273, 205 and 130 / 312 have all been subject to consultation and were all temporary reroutings for road works. I am still extremely cross about what has gone on with the W11 and W15 and am considering next steps depending on how TfL reply. If TfL don't want to respond to me then they can have the thrill of responding to people they may pay some attention to! I have said to them that it would be far better just to admit they ballsed up [1] the W11 and W15 reversion than try and create some sort of pretence that what happened was completely in line with policy and practice when everything I can find / have heard said in formal sessions with politicians says that it was not. The changes to services in and around Zone 1 suggest to me that the consultation system is completely broken as I suspect we are facing permanent cut backs to services but no one is brave enough to say it in public. [1] a technical term. I definitely feel strongly about this topic and feel that all the reversing of the alignment were meant to be for the better the only positive change that has come to the W15 is the Sunday service runs better, everything else about the route still remains a serious problem. I am also waiting on a response from TfL and similarly the answer will decide the next step I take. I feel that TfL has disfavoured Walthamstow by not consultating on the Palmerston Road changes. I think I would have understood TfLs decision to automatically reverted the service if there were low passenger numbers because of the diversion, but this did not seem to be the case as both the service (in my observations) reached a new peak. Judging by the way TfL have bombarded through the changes in Addiscombe (with the 130 & 312), i don't think there would of been a chance of retaining the alignment in Walthamstow (with W11 and W15), however, I feel with a bit of formal pressure applied Walthamstow could get a follow up consultation similar to the one Chislehurst (with the 61, 273 and 661) got in 2013. While there is light at the end of the tunnel, the unpleasantries you have to go through to get this light is diabolical and in my opinion should be reviewed and changed. This is the *third time there has been a bridge closure effecting a bus route/s and with some of the aging infrastructure on our roads, this consultation black-hole could be repeated multiple times (and in some cases there doesn't need to be a physical obstical in the way for the black-hole to occur **i.e. the 23 changes) Prepare for irrelevant jargon that has just about nothing to do with what you are complaining/ querying about. Last time I complained to TfL I was told about their 'real time travel information system — iBus'. I can use real time travel information until I'm blue in the face but it will not make the service any better  . *third time between 2009 and present day ** I acknowledge there are passenger statistics involved with the 23 changes |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 26, 2015 10:30:09 GMT
As we're having a mini rant about consultation here is an interesting twitter exchange about the failure to update the Service Change Document and then issues around lack of listening to customers. It also seems that rail problems are causing huge issues for the buses this morning. Massive queues and buses not able to pick people up as they're so full. Also a tweet about a new driver on the 52 getting lost! |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 26, 2015 12:23:49 GMT
As we're having a mini rant about consultation here is an interesting twitter exchange about the failure to update the Service Change Document and then issues around lack of listening to customers. It also seems that rail problems are causing huge issues for the buses this morning. Massive queues and buses not able to pick people up as they're so full. Also a tweet about a new driver on the 52 getting lost! The tfl service change document updating is awful. If Robert Munster can get this information out there for free in his own time, then it's really unacceptable for tfl not to be able to publish detailed and up to date information. Which routes struggled this morning/where were the reports? I know there's a lot of problems surrounding the thameslink burst water main. After doing (in my opinion) a lot of good work with the bus network in recent years, I'm afraid it seems to be unraveling fast. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 26, 2015 13:35:08 GMT
As we're having a mini rant about consultation here is an interesting twitter exchange about the failure to update the Service Change Document and then issues around lack of listening to customers. It also seems that rail problems are causing huge issues for the buses this morning. Massive queues and buses not able to pick people up as they're so full. Also a tweet about a new driver on the 52 getting lost! The tfl service change document updating is awful. If Robert Munster can get this information out there for free in his own time, then it's really unacceptable for tfl not to be able to publish detailed and up to date information. Which routes struggled this morning/where were the reports? I know there's a lot of problems surrounding the thameslink burst water main. After doing (in my opinion) a lot of good work with the bus network in recent years, I'm afraid it seems to be unraveling fast. Here are some tweets giving a flavour of what was retweeted into my time line. Obviously I can't verify any of this so people must assess for themselves whether to believe what people are saying. There were also some serious road closures and jams today - Hammersmith, Great Eastern St, Kensal Risse Kensington Church Street, the City have all been reported. Two of those incidents would explain why the 52 was in poor shape / seemingly getting lost. Route 52243 (at Waterloo) Route 59Route 8Route 52 is lostRoute W19 |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2015 14:25:07 GMT
The tfl service change document updating is awful. If Robert Munster can get this information out there for free in his own time, then it's really unacceptable for tfl not to be able to publish detailed and up to date information. Which routes struggled this morning/where were the reports? I know there's a lot of problems surrounding the thameslink burst water main. After doing (in my opinion) a lot of good work with the bus network in recent years, I'm afraid it seems to be unraveling fast. Here are some tweets giving a flavour of what was retweeted into my time line. Obviously I can't verify any of this so people must assess for themselves whether to believe what people are saying. There were also some serious road closures and jams today - Hammersmith, Great Eastern St, Kensal Risse Kensington Church Street, the City have all been reported. Two of those incidents would explain why the 52 was in poor shape / seemingly getting lost. Route 52243 (at Waterloo) Route 59Route 8Route 52 is lostRoute W19Wow, 40 minutes for a 59, I've never ever heard of anything near that long a wait on the route since it's creation. |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 26, 2015 14:42:37 GMT
After stepping back and looking at the situation properly last night (after my rant above) TfL is under a lot of pressure. Not only do they have to coordinate one of the longest segregated cycle track in London (East-West Cycle Superhighway) but they then have to build it's sister route (the N-S cycle superhighway), maintain the Hammersmith Flyover, build the CS9 (which has been in planning for years now, Hounslow council or Hammersmith & Fulham council were devastated when they found out the route was put on the back burner), the unending list of Quietways, the long awaited CS5, and the list goes... Then on top of all that they have to find some way of running bus services through this mess, so it is no surprise that the bus service is deteriorating. However while I do have a small shred of sympathy for TfL, they need to get their act together and at this moment it is easier said then done. While I do respect Cyclist have been waiting a while for substantial changes, there needs to be a balance because trying finish all these cycling schemes in one year (or 18 months) is pretty ludicrous and I can imagine it may cost more money than if it was done in 2 years time. I personally would like to see the N-S CS and CS9 built this year, E-W CS and CS1 next year, and then CS5 & 11 the following years. In addition, it needs to be recognised that in London we lack the space and capacity on our roads to build segregated or even (in some cases) mandatory cycle lanes on every major road. In my opinion, the partial reasoning there is suspected chaos in Transport for London lies on the imprudent shoulders of Mayor Boris Johnson. In the 8 years he has been Mayor he failed to produce the substantial goods for cyclist (and to be honest I do not think any other mode has substantially benefited from his influence) and now in his penultimate year of mayoralty he is bombarding these schemes on to the streets of London, so that he can have his photo opportunity cycling down the routes. Post-2012 there was praise and admiration for the London's Transport Infrastructure, but since then tiny cracks have started to appear and commuters do not like what they see through said cracks (except for Crossrail  ). |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Jan 29, 2015 10:30:22 GMT
Route 3 should return to Oxford Circus end of feb apparently......I won't hold my breath!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 30, 2015 11:09:08 GMT
Would I be right in saying most, if not all of the 125s VWHs have been delivered?
I am also guessing batch 2487-2514 have been delivered ready for the 109. Let's see how long these buses last until they get worn down, but from the pictures I have seen of them on the 407 and the 157, they are the best looking buses in London. I also prefer the rear number blind being higher up below the upper deck window. I think it looks a lot more smarter than it being in the middle and being surrounded by vents or up at the top but on the left.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 30, 2015 11:14:56 GMT
Would I be right in saying most, if not all of the 125s VWHs have been delivered? I am also guessing batch 2487-2514 have been delivered ready for the 109. Let's see how long these buses last until they get worn down, but from the pictures I have seen of them on the 407 and the 157, they are the best looking buses in London. I also prefer the rear number blind being higher up below the upper deck window. I think it looks a lot more smarter than it being in the middle and being surrounded by vents or up at the top but on the left. There are 6 outstanding Enviro 400 MMC's for the 109 so a few non MMC's might pop out over the weekend but most likely will go out on Monday as weekend PVR's are lower. |
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Post by MoEnviro on Jan 30, 2015 12:46:33 GMT
Would I be right in saying most, if not all of the 125s VWHs have been delivered? I believe all but VWH2050 and 2061 have been delivered, that shouldn't be a problem as the VWH's from the 34 can always cover. |
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Post by Nathan on Jan 30, 2015 12:54:56 GMT
Would I be right in saying most, if not all of the 125s VWHs have been delivered? I believe all but VWH2050 and 2061 have been delivered, that shouldn't be a problem as the VWH's from the 34 can always cover. Or the TEs if the VWHs don't arrive by Monday. |
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Post by sid on Jan 30, 2015 13:55:16 GMT
I am in the midst of an exchange with TfL about the W11 / W15 fiasco. After waiting months and having to chase a reply I got a response. I have sent a rather "pointed" response back having revised it three times and leaving it 14 days before sending a reply. Recent issues with the consultation process suggest the whole process is descending into chaos. Below is a quote from the response I got. Below is a quote from a recent letter from the Commissioner to the London Assembly Transport Committee. Given the statement above from the Commissioner I have played that back to TfL asking them if it is true and is policy. It makes no exception for temporary diversions and the examples of the 61 / 273, 205 and 130 / 312 have all been subject to consultation and were all temporary reroutings for road works. I am still extremely cross about what has gone on with the W11 and W15 and am considering next steps depending on how TfL reply. If TfL don't want to respond to me then they can have the thrill of responding to people they may pay some attention to! I have said to them that it would be far better just to admit they ballsed up [1] the W11 and W15 reversion than try and create some sort of pretence that what happened was completely in line with policy and practice when everything I can find / have heard said in formal sessions with politicians says that it was not. The changes to services in and around Zone 1 suggest to me that the consultation system is completely broken as I suspect we are facing permanent cut backs to services but no one is brave enough to say it in public. [1] a technical term. I definitely feel strongly about this topic and feel that all the reversing of the alignment were meant to be for the better the only positive change that has come to the W15 is the Sunday service runs better, everything else about the route still remains a serious problem. I am also waiting on a response from TfL and similarly the answer will decide the next step I take. I feel that TfL has disfavoured Walthamstow by not consultating on the Palmerston Road changes. I think I would have understood TfLs decision to automatically reverted the service if there were low passenger numbers because of the diversion, but this did not seem to be the case as both the service (in my observations) reached a new peak. Judging by the way TfL have bombarded through the changes in Addiscombe (with the 130 & 312), i don't think there would of been a chance of retaining the alignment in Walthamstow (with W11 and W15), however, I feel with a bit of formal pressure applied Walthamstow could get a follow up consultation similar to the one Chislehurst (with the 61, 273 and 661) got in 2013. While there is light at the end of the tunnel, the unpleasantries you have to go through to get this light is diabolical and in my opinion should be reviewed and changed. This is the *third time there has been a bridge closure effecting a bus route/s and with some of the aging infrastructure on our roads, this consultation black-hole could be repeated multiple times (and in some cases there doesn't need to be a physical obstical in the way for the black-hole to occur **i.e. the 23 changes) Prepare for irrelevant jargon that has just about nothing to do with what you are complaining/ querying about. Last time I complained to TfL I was told about their 'real time travel information system — iBus'. I can use real time travel information until I'm blue in the face but it will not make the service any better . *third time between 2009 and present day ** I acknowledge there are passenger statistics involved with the 23 changes The 130 and 312 aren't really changes they are just returning to their normal route, I don't know why that couldn't have been done as soon as the weight restriction in Spring Lane was removed |
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I have said to them that it would be far better just to admit they ballsed up [1] the W11 and W15 reversion than try and create some sort of pretence that what happened was completely in line with policy and practice when everything I can find / have heard said in formal sessions with politicians says that it was not.
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