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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 1:30:16 GMT
So what's the news regarding the 13/139/189 changes?
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2015 15:31:01 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror  ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? |
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Post by sid on Feb 19, 2015 15:55:18 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? With a bit of imagination some interworking between routes could be introduced rather than keep widening the headway. |
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Post by Paul on Feb 19, 2015 17:14:47 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? The problem we have with the 7s is purely in the peaks. Simply put, you can't do an hourly frequency with one bus. There's traffic in Orpington, traffic through Crofton, traffic on Tudor Way, traffic all along Southborough Lane and traffic all around Bickley. At least with a x70 minute headway we will be running on time. Not sure how it's going to affect the regular users getting to and from work and school though. That said, if it means we don't need to take a ton of girls to and from Bickley Station and Bromley High School then that's a bonus! That lot lose us a great deal of time on their own Still the new timetable has given us a nice new rota and although there have been some moans about it (particularly the two new 11 1/2+ hour spread overs) I can't say I'm too unhappy about it |
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Post by lonmark on Feb 19, 2015 17:15:07 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? What the hell is TfL play about with few route R5/R10, R7 and R8 at the moment? It so stupid! School kids will not happy to wait for R7 longer or so |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2015 18:01:53 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? The problem we have with the 7s is purely in the peaks. Simply put, you can't do an hourly frequency with one bus. There's traffic in Orpington, traffic through Crofton, traffic on Tudor Way, traffic all along Southborough Lane and traffic all around Bickley. At least with a x70 minute headway we will be running on time. Not sure how it's going to affect the regular users getting to and from work and school though. That said, if it means we don't need to take a ton of girls to and from Bickley Station and Bromley High School then that's a bonus! That lot lose us a great deal of time on their own Still the new timetable has given us a nice new rota and although there have been some moans about it (particularly the two new 11 1/2+ hour spread overs) I can't say I'm too unhappy about it I don't doubt that there are genuine problems that are forcing the change. I also recognise these are marginal services that TfL will not want to splash an extra bus on. I just think that such odd headways are distinctly unhelpful for passengers as they are not clockface or readily memorable. Moving to daft headways does nothing to encourage ridership. It is a shame that an interworking arrangement has been deemed infeasible that might have provided a cost efficient way of retaining more effective headways. |
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Post by danorak on Feb 19, 2015 18:17:33 GMT
I see the curse of "widened headways" is striking Orpington again. The updated (shock horror ) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not? With a bit of imagination some interworking between routes could be introduced rather than keep widening the headway. At the risk of repeating myself, I think we are now at the stage, with widening headways and the like, where the structure of the Orpington network needs to be reexamined. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2015 18:42:20 GMT
With a bit of imagination some interworking between routes could be introduced rather than keep widening the headway. At the risk of repeating myself, I think we are now at the stage, with widening headways and the like, where the structure of the Orpington network needs to be reexamined. I agree. I also think Bromley Council should get off their backsides and do something about some bus priority at the known pinch points in the area. Oh look a squadron of flying bacon is going past my window.   |
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Post by Paul on Feb 19, 2015 19:40:37 GMT
I don't doubt that there are genuine problems that are forcing the change. I also recognise these are marginal services that TfL will not want to splash an extra bus on. I just think that such odd headways are distinctly unhelpful for passengers as they are not clockface or readily memorable. Moving to daft headways does nothing to encourage ridership On the face of it, yes, what you say here is broadly accurate. However, the R5/R10 went to every 75 minutes and from my experience the change was managed and accepted very well. People quickly get to know what time their bus is due. In the case of the R5/R10, R7 and R8 vast swathes of the route are reliant solely upon that one bus and those people relying on that bus quickly know what time they need to be waiting at the bus stop (or lamp post/tree/outside their house). What I'm saying is, essentially, the frequency isn't particularly important; the bus needs to be on time. If increasing the headway means the bus is on time surely this is better than people waiting an excessive amount of time for a bus that could be 10, 20 or 30 minutes late? It's possible that interworking is the way forward. I have my suspicions that Stagecoach wanted to introduce something like this when the R routes were won. In the absence of any creative, forward thinking though, an increase in headway is a cheap and easy way to ensure infrequent services are running on time. In these times where there are countless examples of passengers not being put first, surely a measure to ensure these services are turning up when the timetable says they will (thus not inconveniencing passengers) should be applauded? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 23:41:00 GMT
Predictions for this year/next year ...
7 to be withdrawn because of Crossrail/Oxford St bus ban
8 to be re-extended to Oxford Circus to retain Liverpool St link
13 to be withdrawn
23 to be withdrawn from Liverpool Street to Aldwych
15 to re-extended to Regent Street to retain link East of city
25 to be withdrawn from Orford Circus to Tottenham Court Road/Holborn
I have a feeling the 6 and 94 could also be affected :/
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Post by M1104 on Mar 4, 2015 14:05:57 GMT
Whatever happened to the plan of extending the N133 to Morden? The provisional date was almost a year ago.
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Post by routew15 on Mar 4, 2015 16:57:41 GMT
Predictions for this year/next year ... 7 to be withdrawn because of Crossrail/Oxford St bus ban 8 to be re-extended to Oxford Circus to retain Liverpool St link 13 to be withdrawn 23 to be withdrawn from Liverpool Street to Aldwych 15 to re-extended to Regent Street to retain link East of city 25 to be withdrawn from Orford Circus to Tottenham Court Road/Holborn I have a feeling the 6 and 94 could also be affected :/ I don't think the 7 can be withdrawn completely there is still a lot of unique qualities that it has. Plus it would put a lot of pressure on the 23 which could be reduced in frequency. If the Abbey road and Finchley Road bus service proposals is anything to go by then the 25 is going to be sliced and diced to improve links to Crossrail. For now I think the 5, 15, 115 will escape major changes. Because of all the cycling routes being introduced, then the demand for pedestrianisation and all the over glorified "improved underground services", the bus network (in central London at least) will be quite unrecognisable in 6/8 years time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 23:55:55 GMT
Predictions for this year/next year ... 7 to be withdrawn because of Crossrail/Oxford St bus ban 8 to be re-extended to Oxford Circus to retain Liverpool St link 13 to be withdrawn 23 to be withdrawn from Liverpool Street to Aldwych 15 to re-extended to Regent Street to retain link East of city 25 to be withdrawn from Orford Circus to Tottenham Court Road/Holborn I have a feeling the 6 and 94 could also be affected :/ I don't think the 7 can be withdrawn completely there is still a lot of unique qualities that it has. Plus it would put a lot of pressure on the 23 which could be reduced in frequency. If the Abbey road and Finchley Road bus service proposals is anything to go by then the 25 is going to be sliced and diced to improve links to Crossrail. For now I think the 5, 15, 115 will escape major changes. Because of all the cycling routes being introduced, then the demand for pedestrianisation and all the over glorified "improved underground services", the bus network (in central London at least) will be quite unrecognisable in 6/8 years time. My guess is that the 25 will run from Oxford Circus to Stratford. Also, the recent bus changes on the official TFL website state the 15 will run from Blackwall and Northumberland Abenue/Trafalgar Square. So is the curtailment permenant then? |
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Post by routew15 on Mar 6, 2015 0:33:26 GMT
I don't think the 7 can be withdrawn completely there is still a lot of unique qualities that it has. Plus it would put a lot of pressure on the 23 which could be reduced in frequency. If the Abbey road and Finchley Road bus service proposals is anything to go by then the 25 is going to be sliced and diced to improve links to Crossrail. For now I think the 5, 15, 115 will escape major changes. Because of all the cycling routes being introduced, then the demand for pedestrianisation and all the over glorified "improved underground services", the bus network (in central London at least) will be quite unrecognisable in 6/8 years time. My guess is that the 25 will run from Oxford Circus to Stratford. Also, the recent bus changes on the official TFL website state the 15 will run from Blackwall and Northumberland Abenue/Trafalgar Square. So is the curtailment permenant then? If the 25 retains its current form that would be ideal if not your guess is good. i however think there will be a service from Bow Church - Oxford Circus , Aldgate - Manor Park Station , then a top-up of bus on the 86 to allow services between Stratford - Ilford (that's if the 86 doesn't get chopped itself) im not sure if the 15 is permanently withdrawn from Regent Street but this withdrawal seems indefinite. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 6, 2015 1:17:02 GMT
I don't think the 7 can be withdrawn completely there is still a lot of unique qualities that it has. Plus it would put a lot of pressure on the 23 which could be reduced in frequency. If the Abbey road and Finchley Road bus service proposals is anything to go by then the 25 is going to be sliced and diced to improve links to Crossrail. For now I think the 5, 15, 115 will escape major changes. Because of all the cycling routes being introduced, then the demand for pedestrianisation and all the over glorified "improved underground services", the bus network (in central London at least) will be quite unrecognisable in 6/8 years time. My guess is that the 25 will run from Oxford Circus to Stratford. Also, the recent bus changes on the official TFL website state the 15 will run from Blackwall and Northumberland Abenue/Trafalgar Square. So is the curtailment permenant then? I can't see the 25 being withdrawn east of Stratford as that section is already under serious pressure even with two very frequent services (25 & 86). I can only see any withdrawals of the 25 happening in Central London. |
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) TfL Bus Service Change document shows the R7 going to a x70 headway and the R8 moving from x70 now to x80 from 7 March 2015. Ironic that the R8 will have had its headway widened twice in a relatively short period. Wonder if there will be a "last minute" consultation or not?
