Upcoming changes

[evergreenadam]

Jul 31, 2023 16:16:03 GMT gwiwer said:

281 extension / diversion to Tolworth Station is out for consultation. The effect would be minimal. It would cease to serve the Ewell Road loop (terminal stop, stand and first northbound stop) but extend via the roundabout, Hook Rise and a new link road to stand adjacent to Tolworth station and some new homes. It then returns straight across the roundabout stopping where all the other northbound buses do which makes sense. Quite a sensible change in my opinion and one which more or less restores (and improvs upon) the old link from when peak-hour 281s ran to Chessington Industrial Estate via Tolworth station. No mention is made of any change to headway. None would be needed using the current PVR but an uplift from 10bph to 12bph would alleviate the current overcrowding which occurs at many times of day notably into and out of Hounslow and Kingston.

Did you mean that the combined frequency of the 281, 406 and 418 into Kingston from Tolworth gives 10bph? It’s actually 12bph at present.

The previous reduction in frequency of the 281 to 6bph never seemed like a good idea, interesting that there are now problems with overcrowding into both Hounslow and Kingston.

[DE20106]

Aug 9, 2023 12:42:27 GMT southlondonbus said:

Aug 9, 2023 12:39:41 GMT southlondon413 said:

Get ready for a cut to the 207, it’s coming.

I wouldn't be surprised if both the 207 and 427 drop to every 10 and 12 mins respectively.

I’d be very very surprised to see a 40% frequency reduction to the 207 when the route is rammed as it is. I think Uxbridge road is crying out for more capacity especially since the 427 cut so I think the 207 will still be just as busy

[vjaska]

Aug 9, 2023 12:16:20 GMT londonbuses said:

From TfL bus changes page:

Route X26 renumbered - 19 August 2023

From Saturday 19 August route X26, which runs between Heathrow Central Bus Station and West Croydon Bus Station via Kingston and Sutton, will be renumbered to route SL7.

The frequency of route SL7 will also be increased from a bus every 30 minutes to every 15 minutes from first bus to last bus on all days of the week.

The time of the first bus from West Croydon to Heathrow Airport on all days of the week will be changed to depart 5 minutes earlier at 0410. No change to the time of the first bus from Heathrow Airport to West Croydon.

The time of the last bus from Heathrow Airport to West Croydon will be changed to depart 15 minutes later at 0040 on all days of the week. No change to the time of the last bus from West Croydon to Heathrow Airport.

The last stop at West Croydon on route SL7 will also be changed with buses now finishing at bus stop B8 on St Michael's Road. No change to the starting point of the SL7 in West Croydon Bus Station which remains bus stop B3. At the same time route 367 will now finish at bus stop WP on Wellesley Road but continue to start from bus stop B1 in West Croydon Bus Station.

For more information on route SL7 and Superloop in general head to www.tfl.gov.uk/superloop. Times for the SL7 can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey


Improvements to route SL8 - 19 August 2023

From Saturday 19 August a new timetable will be introduced on all days of the week on route SL8. There will be changes to the times of the first and last buses and also the frequency of the service during the evenings. 

On Monday to Fridays the times of first buses will change with the first bus from Uxbridge Station for White City retimed to depart at 0425 (instead of 0530) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0510 (instead of 0550). Last buses will now depart Uxbridge Station for White City at 2350 (instead of 2100) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0024 (instead of 2200). The frequency after 2000 will increase from the current bus every 15 minutes to a bus every 12 minutes.

On Saturdays the times of first buses will change with the first bus from Uxbridge Station for White City retimed to depart at 0425 (instead of 0530) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0510 (instead of 0550). Last buses will now depart Uxbridge Station for White City at 2350 (instead of 2100) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0024 (instead of 2200). The frequency after 1930 will increase from the current bus every 15 minutes to a bus every 12 minutes.

On Sundays the times of first buses will change with the first bus from Uxbridge Station for White City retimed to depart at 0425 (instead of 0855) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0510 (instead of 0900). Last buses will now depart Uxbridge Station for White City at 2350 (instead of 2100) and from White City for Uxbridge Station at 0024 (instead of 2200). The frequency of the SL8 service on Sundays will be a bus every 12 minutes from first bus until last bus.

Times for the SL8 route can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey
 

Changes to buses from Saturday 19 August

The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 19 August.

From Saturday 19 August, when arriving at Victoria Station, routes 26 and N26 will finish at bus stop M on Victoria Street and no longer serve the bus stop on Terminus Place. There will be no change to the first stop which remains bus stop J on Wilton Road.

Route 133 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. 

Route 137 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. 

Route 417 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. 

A temporary timetable will be introduced on route E6 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays. No change during the evenings or on weekends. This temporary change is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Greenford Road.

A temporary timetable will be introduced on route E9 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays. No change during the evenings or on weekends. This temporary change is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Greenford Road.

The new times for the above routes can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

Personally, they moved the wrong route out of West Croydon Bus Station - they could of moved the 250 to Wellesley Road and left the 367 finishing on St Michael's Road meaning no one is inconvenienced at all especially as currently, the 250 has to run to the bus station to alight, then run around to stand so would cut down some of that time by simply alighting on Poplar Walk where almost everyone will get off and then run light around the corner to Wellesley Road

[southlondon413]

Whilst we are discussing the x26 it looks like work has started to tart up the stops on route. The Fountain Roundabout stop towards Sutton had workmen on site today painting the shelter and doing some minor repairs.

[evergreenadam]

Aug 9, 2023 12:38:34 GMT southlondonbus said:

Aug 9, 2023 12:23:59 GMT southlondon413 said:

15 minutes all day from first to last bus is imho too much. Peaks and day yes every 15 minutes but until the last bus, really TfL!? It should remain every 30 minutes after like 8pm. Mark my words give it six months and the 213 and 407 will both drop on frequency.

Same with the SL8 (607). Every 12 mins all evening up until last bus and all say Sunday. I know it's partly lost the 427 but I think that's a bit frequent.

The increase in frequency of the SL8 in the evenings is welcome, buses departing Shepherds Bush Station for the Uxbridge Road corridor are always busy in the evenings due to Westfield opening late and passengers transferring from the Central Line and to a lesser extent the Overground. The scrum to get on is very unfair on the elderly, wheelchair users and those with buggies.

[mondraker275]

Aug 9, 2023 13:18:05 GMT YX10FFN said:

Aug 9, 2023 12:26:37 GMT Eastlondoner62 said:

What a random change to the 26 which will do nothing but inconvenience people.

It will, however, decrease running time on the terminus routing, with a simple loop around Vauxhall Bridge Road and Wilton Street. I still think the Grosvenor Gardens 44 stand is best suited to the 26, with the 44 moving to Vauxhall Bridge Road. 

My 26 terminated at bus stop M the other day which confused me.

[londonbuses]

Only been a few hours and there's more updates to the TfL bus changes page:

Changes to routes 79 & 83 - 26 August 2023

From Saturday 26 August route 79 will be changed to run between Edgware Bus Station and Stonebridge Park Station and route 83 will be extended from Alperton Station to Alperton, Sainsbury's.

Route 79 will be rerouted from Ealing Road via Mount Pleasant and Beresford Avenue to Stonebridge Park Station providing new links to the new Grand Union development located off Beresford Avenue. Route 79 will no longer serve bus stops at Alperton Station or Alperton, Sainsbury's. Route 79 will continue to run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.

Route 83 will be extended from Alperton Station to Alperton, Sainsbury's replacing route 79. Route 83 will continue to run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Sundays and every 12 minutes during the evening on all days of the week.

Times for both the 79 and 83 will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

changes-to-routes-79-and-83-map-web.pdf



Changes to buses from Saturday 26 August

The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 26 August.

Route 64 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. 

Route 86 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be increased to run every 8-9 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. Route 86 will continue to run every 6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening on all days. 

Route 141 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be increased to run every 10 minutes during the evenings on Monday to Saturdays and all day on Sundays. Also, from this date the times of the first buses on Sundays will be changed to start at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays. First bus from Palmers Green to London Bridge on Sundays will now be at 0420 (instead of 0540) and from London Bridge to Palmers Green at 0510 (instead of 0630). No change to times of last buses.

Route 148 will have a new timetable on all days and nights of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels.

Times for the all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey


Routes 123 & 158 go 24-hour from Saturday 26 August

From Saturday 26 August routes 123 and 158 will become 24-hour daily services with the introduction of 30-minute night services on all nights of the week. 

Route 123 currently runs between Ilford, Hainault Street and Wood Green Station via Gants Hill, Southend Road, Forest Road, Blackhorse Road Station, Tottenham Hale Bus Station and Turnpike Lane Bus Station. 

Buses will depart Ilford for Wood Green at 0115, 0145, 0215, 0245, 0315, 0345, 0415 and 0445. (Additional journey at 0515 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Wood Green for Ilford at 0110, 0140, 0210, 0240, 0310, 0340, 0410 and 0440. (Additional journey at 0500 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Central line at Gants Hill, Victoria line at Blackhorse Road and Piccadilly line at Turnpike Lane and Wood Green stations.

 

Route 158 currently runs between Chingford Mount and Stratford Bus Station via Crooked Billet Roundabout, Blackhorse Road Station, St James's Street Station, Markhouse Road and Leyton Station.

Buses will depart Chingford Mount for Stratford Bus Station at 0120, 0150, 0220, 0250 and 0320. (Additional journeys at 0350 and 0420 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Stratford Bus Station for Chingford Mount at 0135, 0205, 0235, 0305, 0335 and 0405. (Additional journeys at 0435 and 0505 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Victoria line at Blackhorse Road, the Central line at Leyton and both the Central & Jubilee lines at Stratford.

The timetable, including the new night journeys, can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey



Route X140 renumbered - 26 August 2023

From Saturday 26 August route X140 will be renumbered to route SL9. 

There will be no change to the bus stops served between Heathrow Airport and Harrow Bus Station. A new timetable will be in operation on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels. 

Route SL9 becomes the latest route to join the Superloop network of express bus routes that will help improve connections and journey times between key outer London town centres and transport hubs. 

For more information on route SL9 and Superloop can be found at www.tfl.gov.uk/superloop. Times for the SL9 can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

[SILENCED]

Aug 9, 2023 14:28:37 GMT vjaska said:

Aug 9, 2023 12:16:20 GMT londonbuses said:

From TfL bus changes page:

Personally, they moved the wrong route out of West Croydon Bus Station - they could of moved the 250 to Wellesley Road and left the 367 finishing on St Michael's Road meaning no one is inconvenienced at all especially as currently, the 250 has to run to the bus station to alight, then run around to stand so would cut down some of that time by simply alighting on Poplar Walk where almost everyone will get off and then run light around the corner to Wellesley Road

Maybe a problem with the number of 250s on stand?

[metrolinewest]

With the 79 and 83 changes, maybe it would make more sense for 79 to be run from RP instead of 258

[vjaska]

Aug 9, 2023 23:43:35 GMT SILENCED said:

Aug 9, 2023 14:28:37 GMT vjaska said:

Personally, they moved the wrong route out of West Croydon Bus Station - they could of moved the 250 to Wellesley Road and left the 367 finishing on St Michael's Road meaning no one is inconvenienced at all especially as currently, the 250 has to run to the bus station to alight, then run around to stand so would cut down some of that time by simply alighting on Poplar Walk where almost everyone will get off and then run light around the corner to Wellesley Road

Maybe a problem with the number of 250s on stand?

I was wondering that so I looked at the most recent tender specs on the buses at work website which are some years out of date but they suggest the old X26 stand south of Poplar Walk was able to accomodate two buses and looking at the current stand on Google Maps, that looks to still be the case. The 250's tender spec suggests no more than two 250's to stand at the bus station at any time so in theory, if all this still holds true, the 250 should be able to stand on Wellesley Road without too much issue

[matthieu1221]

Map linked on the bus changes page for the 79 and 83 doesn't work

With regards to the 26, I assume Bus Stop U wouldn't be possible as it would mean cutting across two lanes of traffic (though the 24 does just that!)? Victoria in general needs a bit of a shakeup: stop R for instance is very unpleasant and its narrow sidewalk not adapted to the large amounts of passengers that can accumulate there, especially on busy shopping days. Would also be very nice if they (who owns the place?) could reopen the arcade at the closed (?) tube station entrance for easy access between the bus station and the stop on Victoria Street.

[evergreenadam]

Aug 9, 2023 23:33:19 GMT londonbuses said:

Only been a few hours and there's more updates to the TfL bus changes page:

Changes to routes 79 & 83 - 26 August 2023

From Saturday 26 August route 79 will be changed to run between Edgware Bus Station and Stonebridge Park Station and route 83 will be extended from Alperton Station to Alperton, Sainsbury's.

Route 79 will be rerouted from Ealing Road via Mount Pleasant and Beresford Avenue to Stonebridge Park Station providing new links to the new Grand Union development located off Beresford Avenue. Route 79 will no longer serve bus stops at Alperton Station or Alperton, Sainsbury's. Route 79 will continue to run every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays.

Route 83 will be extended from Alperton Station to Alperton, Sainsbury's replacing route 79. Route 83 will continue to run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Sundays and every 12 minutes during the evening on all days of the week.

Times for both the 79 and 83 will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

changes-to-routes-79-and-83-map-web.pdf



Changes to buses from Saturday 26 August

The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 26 August.

Route 64 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. 

Route 86 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be increased to run every 8-9 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. Route 86 will continue to run every 6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening on all days. 

Route 141 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be increased to run every 10 minutes during the evenings on Monday to Saturdays and all day on Sundays. Also, from this date the times of the first buses on Sundays will be changed to start at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays. First bus from Palmers Green to London Bridge on Sundays will now be at 0420 (instead of 0540) and from London Bridge to Palmers Green at 0510 (instead of 0630). No change to times of last buses.

Route 148 will have a new timetable on all days and nights of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels.

Times for the all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey


Routes 123 & 158 go 24-hour from Saturday 26 August

From Saturday 26 August routes 123 and 158 will become 24-hour daily services with the introduction of 30-minute night services on all nights of the week. 

Route 123 currently runs between Ilford, Hainault Street and Wood Green Station via Gants Hill, Southend Road, Forest Road, Blackhorse Road Station, Tottenham Hale Bus Station and Turnpike Lane Bus Station. 

Buses will depart Ilford for Wood Green at 0115, 0145, 0215, 0245, 0315, 0345, 0415 and 0445. (Additional journey at 0515 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Wood Green for Ilford at 0110, 0140, 0210, 0240, 0310, 0340, 0410 and 0440. (Additional journey at 0500 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Central line at Gants Hill, Victoria line at Blackhorse Road and Piccadilly line at Turnpike Lane and Wood Green stations.

 

Route 158 currently runs between Chingford Mount and Stratford Bus Station via Crooked Billet Roundabout, Blackhorse Road Station, St James's Street Station, Markhouse Road and Leyton Station.

Buses will depart Chingford Mount for Stratford Bus Station at 0120, 0150, 0220, 0250 and 0320. (Additional journeys at 0350 and 0420 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Stratford Bus Station for Chingford Mount at 0135, 0205, 0235, 0305, 0335 and 0405. (Additional journeys at 0435 and 0505 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Victoria line at Blackhorse Road, the Central line at Leyton and both the Central & Jubilee lines at Stratford.

The timetable, including the new night journeys, can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey



Route X140 renumbered - 26 August 2023

From Saturday 26 August route X140 will be renumbered to route SL9. 

There will be no change to the bus stops served between Heathrow Airport and Harrow Bus Station. A new timetable will be in operation on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels. 

Route SL9 becomes the latest route to join the Superloop network of express bus routes that will help improve connections and journey times between key outer London town centres and transport hubs. 

For more information on route SL9 and Superloop can be found at www.tfl.gov.uk/superloop. Times for the SL9 can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

Frequency increases on Sundays and in the evenings makes a nice change. Are the 86 and 141 crowded at these times?

[busoccultation]

Aug 9, 2023 23:33:19 GMT londonbuses said:

Only been a few hours and there's more updates to the TfL bus changes page:

Route 86 will have a new timetable from this date. Buses will be increased to run every 8-9 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. Route 86 will continue to run every 6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening on all days. 


Routes 123 & 158 go 24-hour from Saturday 26 August

From Saturday 26 August routes 123 and 158 will become 24-hour daily services with the introduction of 30-minute night services on all nights of the week. 

Route 123 currently runs between Ilford, Hainault Street and Wood Green Station via Gants Hill, Southend Road, Forest Road, Blackhorse Road Station, Tottenham Hale Bus Station and Turnpike Lane Bus Station. 

Buses will depart Ilford for Wood Green at 0115, 0145, 0215, 0245, 0315, 0345, 0415 and 0445. (Additional journey at 0515 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Wood Green for Ilford at 0110, 0140, 0210, 0240, 0310, 0340, 0410 and 0440. (Additional journey at 0500 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Central line at Gants Hill, Victoria line at Blackhorse Road and Piccadilly line at Turnpike Lane and Wood Green stations.


Route 158 currently runs between Chingford Mount and Stratford Bus Station via Crooked Billet Roundabout, Blackhorse Road Station, St James's Street Station, Markhouse Road and Leyton Station.

Buses will depart Chingford Mount for Stratford Bus Station at 0120, 0150, 0220, 0250 and 0320. (Additional journeys at 0350 and 0420 on Saturday nights only) 

Buses will depart Stratford Bus Station for Chingford Mount at 0135, 0205, 0235, 0305, 0335 and 0405. (Additional journeys at 0435 and 0505 on Saturday nights only)

There will be no change to the times or frequency of the current day service.

The new service will provide a 24/7 service to parts of East & Northeast London for the first time. On weekends the new journeys will provide a link with the night tube on the Victoria line at Blackhorse Road, the Central line at Leyton and both the Central & Jubilee lines at Stratford.

The timetable, including the new night journeys, can be found in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey

Delighted to see the 123 finally getting a full 24 hours service that's certainly long overdue and fixed the missing Outer North/East London night link and I'm sure our late Snoggle will be pleased with that. 158 is another busy route in the day so I think it will do well in the nights too.

The increased Sunday service on the 86 is a nice bonus to see.

[rif153]

Aug 9, 2023 14:00:24 GMT DE20106 said:

Aug 9, 2023 12:42:27 GMT southlondonbus said:

I wouldn't be surprised if both the 207 and 427 drop to every 10 and 12 mins respectively.

I’d be very very surprised to see a 40% frequency reduction to the 207 when the route is rammed as it is. I think Uxbridge road is crying out for more capacity especially since the 427 cut so I think the 207 will still be just as busy

The 207 is struggling without the 427's support as it is, I really hope there's no further frequency cuts - the one to 10ph back in 2019 had been bad enough.

[southlondonbus]

Aug 10, 2023 6:39:07 GMT busoccultation said:

Aug 9, 2023 23:33:19 GMT londonbuses said:

Only been a few hours and there's more updates to the TfL bus changes page:

Delighted to see the 123 finally getting a full 24 hours service that's certainly long overdue and fixed the missing Outer North/East London night link and I'm sure our late Snoggle will be pleased with that. 158 is another busy route in the day so I think it will do well in the nights too.

The increased Sunday service on the 86 is a nice bonus to see.

Interesting that so far 3 of the re introduced weekend night services have been on a 24/7 basis.