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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 10, 2023 17:07:44 GMT
Let's hope that tfl will reintroduce the 114 and 183 night routes. So that NW London gets it's fair share of night routes/bus improvements. So far it's only been East/SE London that have regained night routes which seems a bit unfair to south and west London folk The 114 was even less used than the 145 was. Would be interesting to see if routes less busy than the 145 stay, considering low usage was the reason cited for the 145s withdrawal. Understandable, but night travel has to appeal to more people across London who will use the services. I'm talking mostly about night workers, who may not have access to a car or want to take a taxi to/from work. Quite a lot of places in NW London have poor/no night routes at all and this I would say is a factor pushing people away from living there, as moving to somewhere with better night bus connections means more job opportunities. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 10, 2023 17:27:41 GMT
Seeing as TFL are in improvements mode for buses, could they please increase the frequency of route N9 to every 20 minutes on all nights of the week? Really feel sorry for West Londoners that a vital night route for them is so irregular. Most of the schemes implemented or are currently proposed involve either a low expenditure or are cost-neutral. One of the proposals to extend the 497 to Upminister will involve withdrawing both the 346 and the 347 in order to fund the extension itself, even if it involves sacrifice for the other. Whilst it is of my opinion there should be a series of programmes to route upgrades, improving cross-border services and exploring opportunities for link improvements, I can't see those happening at this time due to cost. The least I can only see is some minor tweaks to some services. Maybe the 377 can gain an hourly Sunday service? Or maybe the R4 can gain a frequency increase on its evening and Sunday service to half-hourly? |
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Post by DE20106 on Aug 10, 2023 17:33:49 GMT
Surprised they didn’t at least increase the frequency of the 148. That route is always busy during the day from White City. Could have increased it to every 8 minutes or 8-9 minutes Its not their rhetoric to increase central London routes, we won’t be seeing any of those |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 10, 2023 18:54:00 GMT
Seeing as TFL are in improvements mode for buses, could they please increase the frequency of route N9 to every 20 minutes on all nights of the week? Really feel sorry for West Londoners that a vital night route for them is so irregular. I did a info dive (not a deep dive admittedly), and it seems like the x30 min frequency is a legacy of Covid. I was reminded that the post Night Tube frequency of the N9 was always meant to be 3bph all the way to Heathrow, but TfL have had the N9 on such a criminally low frequency since August 2021. This temporary measure that TfL has taken should be reversed by now. Some routes like the N15 had a temporary Covid timetable but has since been reversed, others like the N26 going down to 2bph has not as yet been changed. I saw the N26 last weekend along the Strand and it was carrying signle digit passengers out of town. It doesn´t even bear contrasting to the normal scenes of being packed to the rafters before departing Trafalgar Square. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 10, 2023 19:29:38 GMT
Seeing as TFL are in improvements mode for buses, could they please increase the frequency of route N9 to every 20 minutes on all nights of the week? Really feel sorry for West Londoners that a vital night route for them is so irregular. The N9 did jump to 20 mins on Friday / Saturdays but for some reason dropped back to 30 mins on all nights of the week from 07/01/23. No sure how long the 20 min frequency lasted for... |
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Post by rugbyref on Aug 10, 2023 19:41:20 GMT
From TfL bus changes page: Personally, they moved the wrong route out of West Croydon Bus Station - they could of moved the 250 to Wellesley Road and left the 367 finishing on St Michael's Road meaning no one is inconvenienced at all especially as currently, the 250 has to run to the bus station to alight, then run around to stand so would cut down some of that time by simply alighting on Poplar Walk where almost everyone will get off and then run light around the corner to Wellesley Road Point of information. The phrase should be “could have”, often shortened to “could’ve” not “could of.” |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 10, 2023 20:33:46 GMT
Seeing as TFL are in improvements mode for buses, could they please increase the frequency of route N9 to every 20 minutes on all nights of the week? Really feel sorry for West Londoners that a vital night route for them is so irregular. I did a info dive (not a deep dive admittedly), and it seems like the x30 min frequency is a legacy of Covid. I was reminded that the post Night Tube frequency of the N9 was always meant to be 3bph all the way to Heathrow, but TfL have had the N9 on such a criminally low frequency since August 2021. This temporary measure that TfL has taken should be reversed by now. Some routes like the N15 had a temporary Covid timetable but has since been reversed, others like the N26 going down to 2bph has not as yet been changed. I saw the N26 last weekend along the Strand and it was carrying signle digit passengers out of town. It doesn´t even bear contrasting to the normal scenes of being packed to the rafters before departing Trafalgar Square. The night tube has probably taken demand demand from the N26 with people using Bethnal Green and Walthamstow Central stations etc. |
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 10, 2023 21:01:18 GMT
Good to see some improvements to the 86 which has long been a very busy route without parallel for a lot of its length. When AP ran it with RTs back in the 1970s you might wait for three or even four to go past with three-bell loads before being able to board. If you happened to be at the western end the 25 might help you out but that, too, was often carrying full loads at the time.
The N9 really should be 3bph in order to be considered as a serious travel option for the night staff it probably aims to cater for beyond the central area. Some nighters have recovered well from Covid, others not so. I use the N22 most weeks and find the outbound trips from the west end to often be carrying single-digit loads all the way to Fulwell but the inbound trips do rather better. The boost to all-night services with the 123 and 158 is very welcome; those serve very busy areas with plenty of night-time economy to offer traffic the length of the routes.
The X26 (as it presently is) also requires the enhancement to become a credible option for travel to and from Heathrow and those other centres it serves. Traffic had been falling but in part this can be attributed to it not being run at a "turn-up-and-go" frequency. Uplifting to every 15 minutes / 4bph should go a long way to address this. Similar considerations apply to the Uxbridge Road routes; traffic between the major centres and stops is sufficient to justify the improvement which will hopefully attract more business. It might come at a cost of reduced headways on the 207 / 427 in the longer term but let's see how they hold up because both are quite busy as they are.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 10, 2023 22:05:27 GMT
Personally, they moved the wrong route out of West Croydon Bus Station - they could of moved the 250 to Wellesley Road and left the 367 finishing on St Michael's Road meaning no one is inconvenienced at all especially as currently, the 250 has to run to the bus station to alight, then run around to stand so would cut down some of that time by simply alighting on Poplar Walk where almost everyone will get off and then run light around the corner to Wellesley Road Point of information. The phrase should be “could have”, often shortened to “could’ve” not “could of.” Are you seriously correcting me over a minor grammar issue? Next time keep your point of information to yourself! |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 10, 2023 22:23:46 GMT
I did a info dive (not a deep dive admittedly), and it seems like the x30 min frequency is a legacy of Covid. I was reminded that the post Night Tube frequency of the N9 was always meant to be 3bph all the way to Heathrow, but TfL have had the N9 on such a criminally low frequency since August 2021. This temporary measure that TfL has taken should be reversed by now. Some routes like the N15 had a temporary Covid timetable but has since been reversed, others like the N26 going down to 2bph has not as yet been changed. I saw the N26 last weekend along the Strand and it was carrying signle digit passengers out of town. It doesn´t even bear contrasting to the normal scenes of being packed to the rafters before departing Trafalgar Square. The night tube has probably taken demand demand from the N26 with people using Bethnal Green and Walthamstow Central stations etc. Nope. Post Night Tube but pre Covid, buses on the N26 left Trafalgar Square with 2-3 dozen passengers on a 12 minute frequency. Going by the info off London Buses, the N26 went to 3bph at weekends in June 2021 and then every 30 mins in October 2022. I stand by saying demand disappeared with the low frequency, especially given the N26 recently got extended to Victoria. Easily the most sparse N26 loading I have ever seen, lockdowns included. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 10, 2023 23:21:07 GMT
Let's hope that tfl will reintroduce the 114 and 183 night routes. So that NW London gets it's fair share of night routes/bus improvements. So far it's only been East/SE London that have regained night routes which seems a bit unfair to south and west London folk We won't get anything down here in the south as TfL have only been interested in continually needlessly cutting our services and nothing else. Nothing against other parts of London, absolutely brilliant they're getting the improvements they getting but it shouldn't be pick an area and ignore others. No need, as they would still vote Khan, these are more the case of voting sweetners  |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 10, 2023 23:25:42 GMT
The 123 going 24 hours is a great move. One that was well overdue. The folks on Forest Road on the Waterworks Corner end of that road have suffered for years with no buses at night. All I need now is the 221 to be 24 hours and then it's job done. I would not sya they suffered. After all it was not far from Whipps Cross via back rd of Bisterne Avenue to the N55. Or even from Waterworks to Gates Corner for the N55. I have done that loads of times walking from Bell Corner junction to South Woodford, easily done in just over 20 minutes. |
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Post by MKAY315 on Aug 10, 2023 23:40:24 GMT
The 123 going 24 hours is a great move. One that was well overdue. The folks on Forest Road on the Waterworks Corner end of that road have suffered for years with no buses at night. All I need now is the 221 to be 24 hours and then it's job done. I would not sya they suffered. After all it was not far from Whipps Cross via back rd of Bisterne Avenue to the N55. Or even from Waterworks to Gates Corner for the N55. I have done that loads of times walking from Bell Corner junction to South Woodford, easily done in just over 20 minutes. For yourself being a local in the area its doable however you get those that are somewhat scared to walk the backstreets at night. Of course from Waterworks Corner to whipps Cross is one road but that extra convenience the 123 will now provide at night over the full section of Forest Road will do wonders. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 11, 2023 12:07:11 GMT
Let's hope that tfl will reintroduce the 114 and 183 night routes. So that NW London gets it's fair share of night routes/bus improvements. So far it's only been East/SE London that have regained night routes which seems a bit unfair to south and west London folk The 114 was even less used than the 145 was. Would be interesting to see if routes less busy than the 145 stay, considering low usage was the reason cited for the 145s withdrawal. Also regarding the N145 it didn't really connect to that many night tube stations. Dagenham to Redbridge is long enough only to get the central line to or from Central London is quite a journey! Taking it to Wood Lane and changing onto a N15 would probably be quicker I'd imagine. Making the 287 24h would be beneficial for those in Dagenham and Rainham, giving them a 24h link to Barking (and interchange to the N15). I wouldn't run it to Abbey Wood Lane though since that's very residential but at least run it to Rainham station. In an idealistic world the District line would be part of the night tube too. With the 114 it's a pretty similar situation with no night routes travelling west of South Harrow. It's a shame the Met line Uxbridge branch isn't served by the night tube either |
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Post by londonbuses on Aug 11, 2023 12:16:45 GMT
I would post details of changes later on, I thought other night bus routes was proposed, unless there is a different date for them. Any idea about which other routes are going to gain a 24 hour service? The 123 and 158 are both Arriva routes so I guess TfL have sorted out the arrangements with them for those 24 hour services to start on the 26th August. |
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