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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 7, 2023 14:04:45 GMT
While looking I have also found that the 71 (down from every 8 to every 9 mins), 111 (down from every 10 to every 11 mins), 285 (down from every 12 to every 13 mins) and 465 (down from every 30 to every 34 mins) are all on temporary timetables due to the Cromwell Road Bus Station closure. This wasn't publicised anywhere, not even on the page about arrangements during the closure. And this is under the guise of the Mayor supposedly improving buses in the suburbs. In particular a 34-minute headway on the 465 is utterly ridiculous. On a semi-rural route a 30-minute headway is at least memorable and desirable. Buses every 34 minutes run to a timetable no-one can remember and will be a source of frustration. The 465 needs all the business it can get to avoid a much more severe cut the next time Surrey looks at the numbers. It barely supports an hourly headway south of Leatherhead now with most trips used by just two or three people. Locals are lucky that it runs as often as it does and charges London fares not Surrey ones. Even if most of those are currently capped at £2 and will be £2.50 soon. Agreed : the Portsmouth Road non TfL services get much better custom in my experience as compared to Leatherhead - Dorking on the 465. It must be within the realms of possibility, unfortunately, that the 93 (no, not that one 😂) gets extended to Leatherhead and the 465 gets cut back. |
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Post by dominic on Sept 7, 2023 17:40:19 GMT
Not that they didn't give out the changes to the R68 and R70, they didn't do the 1, 168 and 188 bus changes either, like. THOSE CHANGES ARE DUE TO OCCUR BY THE END OF THE MONTH!!!!!
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 7, 2023 18:09:47 GMT
While looking I have also found that the 71 (down from every 8 to every 9 mins), 111 (down from every 10 to every 11 mins), 285 (down from every 12 to every 13 mins) and 465 (down from every 30 to every 34 mins) are all on temporary timetables due to the Cromwell Road Bus Station closure. This wasn't publicised anywhere, not even on the page about arrangements during the closure. In better, less financially-constrained times TfL would simply have thrown extra resources at the routes to maintain the frequency but it isn't so easy to do that these days. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 7, 2023 18:55:31 GMT
And this is under the guise of the Mayor supposedly improving buses in the suburbs. In particular a 34-minute headway on the 465 is utterly ridiculous. On a semi-rural route a 30-minute headway is at least memorable and desirable. Buses every 34 minutes run to a timetable no-one can remember and will be a source of frustration. The 465 needs all the business it can get to avoid a much more severe cut the next time Surrey looks at the numbers. It barely supports an hourly headway south of Leatherhead now with most trips used by just two or three people. Locals are lucky that it runs as often as it does and charges London fares not Surrey ones. Even if most of those are currently capped at £2 and will be £2.50 soon. Agreed : the Portsmouth Road non TfL services get much better custom in my experience as compared to Leatherhead - Dorking on the 465. It must be within the realms of possibility, unfortunately, that the 93 (no, not that one 😂) gets extended to Leatherhead and the 465 gets cut back. I'm sure one day Surrey CC will feel that subsising a 30 mins daily service is more excessive then they want to pay out. In Surrey a Mon to Sat hourly service is more what they consider acceptable. The 166 is an example of that compared with the london section. |
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Post by cardinal on Sept 8, 2023 5:48:42 GMT
Agreed : the Portsmouth Road non TfL services get much better custom in my experience as compared to Leatherhead - Dorking on the 465. It must be within the realms of possibility, unfortunately, that the 93 (no, not that one 😂) gets extended to Leatherhead and the 465 gets cut back. I'm sure one day Surrey CC will feel that subsising a 30 mins daily service is more excessive then they want to pay out. In Surrey a Mon to Sat hourly service is more what they consider acceptable. The 166 is an example of that compared with the london section. The 465 is busier than that. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 8, 2023 12:47:28 GMT
London bus routes.net reporting that the ‘temporary’ changes will actually be worse than just withdrawing the R68 between Twickenham and Kew Retail Park and diverting the R70 to Kew Retail Park.
The frequencies of routes 490 and R70 will also be reduced on a ‘temporary’ basis.
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 8, 2023 12:59:27 GMT
London bus routes.net reporting that the ‘temporary’ changes will actually be worse than just withdrawing the R68 between Twickenham and Kew Retail Park and diverting the R70 to Kew Retail Park. The frequencies of routes 490 and R70 will also be reduced. Its a temporary 13 minute timetable for the 490 though, they don’t keep timetable at those frequencies, so it will go back to 12 |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 13:01:16 GMT
London bus routes.net reporting that the ‘temporary’ changes will actually be worse than just withdrawing the R68 between Twickenham and Kew Retail Park and diverting the R70 to Kew Retail Park. The frequencies of routes 490 and R70 will also be reduced. Its a temporary 13 minute timetable for the 490 though, they don’t keep timetable at those frequencies, so it will go back to 12 Tell that to the users of the 75, 262, 422 and 473! They've had odd frequencies on widened headways for years. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 8, 2023 13:08:40 GMT
London bus routes.net reporting that the ‘temporary’ changes will actually be worse than just withdrawing the R68 between Twickenham and Kew Retail Park and diverting the R70 to Kew Retail Park. The frequencies of routes 490 and R70 will also be reduced. Still nothing on tfl's website though. We'll see tomorrow if anything is updated |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 8, 2023 13:10:35 GMT
London bus routes.net reporting that the ‘temporary’ changes will actually be worse than just withdrawing the R68 between Twickenham and Kew Retail Park and diverting the R70 to Kew Retail Park. The frequencies of routes 490 and R70 will also be reduced. Its a temporary 13 minute timetable for the 490 though, they don’t keep timetable at those frequencies, so it will go back to 12 To be honest I have no idea whatsoever why the 490 is on a temporary timetable, the works are at Manor Circus and the 490 terminates at Pools on the Park so goes nowhere near Manor Circus, whereas the 110, 190, 371, 419 and H37 all actually pass through Manor Circus and aren't on temporary timetables. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 8, 2023 13:14:57 GMT
Its a temporary 13 minute timetable for the 490 though, they don’t keep timetable at those frequencies, so it will go back to 12 Tell that to the users of the 75, 262, 422 and 473! They've had odd frequencies on widened headways for years. Not so with the 262 and 473, they never went to temporary timetables. They seem to be an exception where TfL decided to reduced them to x11 frequencies on contract renewal. Rather odd frequency but it looks like it was to shave a bus off the PVRs to save a few £££, without passengers noticing. 75 I’ll grant you, it’s been like that for years with no sign of a temp timetable, but the 422 is on a temporary timetable due to the water works in Blackwall Lane, so that *should* go back. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 8, 2023 13:21:12 GMT
Tell that to the users of the 75, 262, 422 and 473! They've had odd frequencies on widened headways for years. Not so with the 262 and 473, they never went to temporary timetables. They seem to be an exception where TfL decided to reduced them to x11 frequencies on contract renewal. Rather odd frequency but it looks like it was to shave a bus off the PVRs to save a few £££, without passengers noticing. 75 I’ll grant you, it’s been like that for years with no sign of a temp timetable, but the 422 is on a temporary timetable due to the water works in Blackwall Lane, so that *should* go back. Yes that's my point - the 262/473 have been on permanent schedules with those odd headways so TfL do unfortunately have them sometimes. The 422 was awarded in 2017 on a 11 min headway. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 8, 2023 13:28:37 GMT
Its a temporary 13 minute timetable for the 490 though, they don’t keep timetable at those frequencies, so it will go back to 12 To be honest I have no idea whatsoever why the 490 is on a temporary timetable, the works are at Manor Circus and the 490 terminates at Pools on the Park so goes nowhere near Manor Circus, whereas the 110, 190, 371, 419 and H37 all actually pass through Manor Circus and aren't on temporary timetables. I'm only guessing but whilst it might not run to Manor Circus, maybe they are expecting delays from the works there to affect the Richmond Circus junction further down which aren't a great deal apart? |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 8, 2023 13:57:14 GMT
To be honest I have no idea whatsoever why the 490 is on a temporary timetable, the works are at Manor Circus and the 490 terminates at Pools on the Park so goes nowhere near Manor Circus, whereas the 110, 190, 371, 419 and H37 all actually pass through Manor Circus and aren't on temporary timetables. I'm only guessing but whilst it might not run to Manor Circus, maybe they are expecting delays from the works there to affect the Richmond Circus junction further down which aren't a great deal apart? True but the other affected routes are not being given temporary timetables, maybe there is more slack in those. x20mins on route 490 on Sundays is an appalling frequency on normal Sundays. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 8, 2023 13:57:30 GMT
To be honest I have no idea whatsoever why the 490 is on a temporary timetable, the works are at Manor Circus and the 490 terminates at Pools on the Park so goes nowhere near Manor Circus, whereas the 110, 190, 371, 419 and H37 all actually pass through Manor Circus and aren't on temporary timetables. I'm only guessing but whilst it might not run to Manor Circus, maybe they are expecting delays from the works there to affect the Richmond Circus junction further down which aren't a great deal apart? True but the other affected routes are not being given temporary timetables, maybe there is more slack in those. x20mins on route 490 on Sundays is an appalling frequency on normal Sundays. |
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