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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 1, 2023 13:10:48 GMT
Well RATP are the big losers and Abellio are the big winners today Service wise RATP are the winners and Abellio the losers. The C3 is a loss making route. It barely ever meets targets. RATP done the right thing by flogging it off What sort of targets are involved? Punctuality and reliability? How does a route make a loss for an operator, because they have to put more resources (drivers/vehicles) into it than they originally anticipated at tender stage, in order to meet the targets? |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 1, 2023 17:39:04 GMT
Metroline and Arriva both lose much more in terms of PVR. Metroline are fine.... They have the 9/N9 - 223 - 228 incoming and retained all work apart from the E5 No major issues. Arriva on the other hand...…. 78/133/157/325/333 the list could even bigger in the next few weeks with only the 76 coming in.... *E6* not E5. Yes like you said we're doing fine at the moment, retaining all of our work apart from the E6. |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 1, 2023 17:42:46 GMT
Sorry I saw this elsewhere on the forum, is it true the 394 is getting extend to King’s Cross? Is there a consultation on this? There hasn't been one released recently but it might come up considering there's going to be a change in the PVR for the new contract There's no change to the PVR, it remains at 10, its a Frequency reduction I believe that is involved as part of the consultation. |
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Post by vlw92 on Oct 1, 2023 21:18:15 GMT
Service wise RATP are the winners and Abellio the losers. The C3 is a loss making route. It barely ever meets targets. RATP done the right thing by flogging it off What sort of targets are involved? Punctuality and reliability? How does a route make a loss for an operator, because they have to put more resources (drivers/vehicles) into it than they originally anticipated at tender stage, in order to meet the targets? Punctually is NOT a thing in a High Freequency Route. Even headways make a service count. Doesn't matter how early or late the buses are as long as they are evenly spaced out. 2 buses running together counts as one. Trust me... The service under Abellio won't be any better either as there current set of controllers are mediocrity. Most of the good ones have come over to GAL |
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Post by titan1mike on Oct 1, 2023 21:36:15 GMT
Metroline are fine.... They have the 9/N9 - 223 - 228 incoming and retained all work apart from the E5 No major issues. Arriva on the other hand...…. 78/133/157/325/333 the list could even bigger in the next few weeks with only the 76 coming in.... *E6* not E5. Yes like you said we're doing fine at the moment, retaining all of our work apart from the E6. 306 lost to TUK next year as well. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 1, 2023 21:37:56 GMT
I feel that the 328 will go to RATP and the 28 to Abellio. These routes are very hard to run reliably
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 2, 2023 1:20:16 GMT
*E6* not E5. Yes like you said we're doing fine at the moment, retaining all of our work apart from the E6. 306 lost to TUK next year as well. Yes that too, cheers for the reminder. |
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Post by Dad91 on Oct 2, 2023 5:48:26 GMT
Metroline and Arriva both lose much more in terms of PVR. Metroline are fine.... They have the 9/N9 - 223 - 228 incoming and retained all work apart from the E5 No major issues. Arriva on the other hand...…. 78/133/157/325/333 the list could even bigger in the next few weeks with only the 76 coming in.... you forget 242 |
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Post by vlw92 on Oct 2, 2023 11:40:21 GMT
Metroline are fine.... They have the 9/N9 - 223 - 228 incoming and retained all work apart from the E5 No major issues. Arriva on the other hand...…. 78/133/157/325/333 the list could even bigger in the next few weeks with only the 76 coming in.... you forget 242 OMG.... My old route... How could I... 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by westhamgeezer on Oct 4, 2023 22:00:00 GMT
If they make the main cross boundary routes over x30 Mins everywhere I’d be happy with that ! The 117 & 203 are the busiest routes into Staines and both drop frequencies eves and Sundays , both ridiculously busy and need enhancements as well , so good news for the 107 but now about some more good news for SW London please TfL ? Totally agree, enhancements on the 117 and 203 might even break even. 117 is the main route between West Middlesex Hospital and Hounslow town centre, often leaves West Middlesex Hospital with standing passengers. A frequency enhancement would would serve two purposes, general outer London/cross boundary ULEZ enhancements and improving access to hospitals. Meanwhile a Green Party analysis of a TfL FOI release about bus mileage reductions shows that LB of Hounslow has suffered the greatest reduction in bus mileage of any outer London Borough. I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the analysis but was interesting to note. 203 has at least been double decked. 117 does need a boost ideally but can't see that happening. One cost neutral suggestion would be to take some off the 235 say 3/4 vehicles reduce the 235 slightly and increase the 117 to say x15 min. This would keep the same pvr between the busiest section of lower Feltham to hounslow (albeit by a slightly different routing in North Feltham increase access to west middx hospital and staines and please the noisy neighbours at North Brentford quarter ! |
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 4, 2023 22:29:51 GMT
Several observations in Richmond since the changes and the 33 and R70 especially are struggling in the PM peak. It's almost like a busy corridor had it's services slashed and those passengers still need a way to get around!
However, on a positive note (first positive post in a while perhaps), I've been really impressed with the 110's loadings on the new middle section between Whitton and Richmond. I'll admit I knocked it before I tried it. Solid loadings in both directions, especially passengers disembarking the tube/train at Richmond and hopping on the 110 to Whitton in the PM.
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Post by redbus on Oct 4, 2023 22:31:31 GMT
I feel that the 328 will go to RATP and the 28 to Abellio. These routes are very hard to run reliably The routes are tough to run, but I would expect all the Operators who will be bidding to know that. They will have their plans and the tender price will no doubt reflect those difficulties. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 5, 2023 14:29:23 GMT
Several observations in Richmond since the changes and the 33 and R70 especially are struggling in the PM peak. It's almost like a busy corridor had it's services slashed and those passengers still need a way to get around! However, on a positive note (first positive post in a while perhaps), I've been really impressed with the 110's loadings on the new middle section between Whitton and Richmond. I'll admit I knocked it before I tried it. Solid loadings in both directions, especially passengers disembarking the tube/train at Richmond and hopping on the 110 to Whitton in the PM. Yes, the 110 has built up a solid following between Whitton and Richmond. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 6, 2023 17:14:06 GMT
Several observations in Richmond since the changes and the 33 and R70 especially are struggling in the PM peak. It's almost like a busy corridor had it's services slashed and those passengers still need a way to get around! However, on a positive note (first positive post in a while perhaps), I've been really impressed with the 110's loadings on the new middle section between Whitton and Richmond. I'll admit I knocked it before I tried it. Solid loadings in both directions, especially passengers disembarking the tube/train at Richmond and hopping on the 110 to Whitton in the PM. I've also been noticing how the Manor Circus works have been affecting the 371. I often see them running in pairs and one running through to Manor Circus is quickly becoming a rare sight. As someone who travels between Richmond and Whitton often, when I do use the 110, I find that it does get really healthy loads. Hence my clear preference for the train* and only using the 110 when there are problems on the train! Even during Wednesday's rail strike, I used the Feltham - Waterloo shuttles which were running every half an hour. *poor reliability is also a factor, especially with the Manor Circus works |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Oct 6, 2023 19:04:42 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 14 October
The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 14 October.
The temporary timetable on route 14 will be removed with the frequency of the service restored to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 12 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The night service will continue running every 15 minutes on Sunday to Thursday nights and every 20 minutes on Friday and Saturday nights.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 22 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service which will continue to run every 12 minutes on all days of the week. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 37 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 10-11 minutes during the AM & PM peak on Monday to Fridays and the daytime on Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service which will continue to run every 12-15 minutes or the night service which will continue to run every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 90 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 16 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Mandeville Road.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 93 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 6-7 minutes during the AM peak on Monday to Fridays, to every 8-9 minutes the PM peak on Monday to Fridays and daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 11 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service which will continue to run every 10 minutes or the night service which will continue to run every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 105 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime and PM peak on Monday to Fridays, to every 13-14 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and to every 16-17 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening or night service. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works in the Greenford area.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 120 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 11 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Mandeville Road.
Route 223 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. From this date route 223 will be operated by Metroline.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 226 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 21 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on the A40.
Route 279 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 297 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 12 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 14 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. No change to the night service which remains running every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Horsenden Lane.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 337 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 16 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service which will continue to run every 15 minutes on all days of the week. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 395 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 24 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 34 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. This temporary timetable is to give buses more time to complete journeys during HS2 works on Mandeville Road.
The temporary timetable on route 422 will be removed with the frequency of the service restored to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and every 12 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. This is following the completion of gas main works on Blackwall Lane.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 424 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 32 minutes between 0700 and 1300 on Monday to Fridays and 1000 to 1900 on Sundays and to every 34 minutes between 1300 and 1900 on Monday to Fridays. No change outside of these times. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
A revised temporary timetable will be introduced on route 493 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 13 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 21 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change to the evening service which will continue to run every 20 minutes on all days of the week. This temporary timetable will be in place until Hammersmith Bridge reopens to all traffic.
Route N279 will have a new timetable on all nights of the week with minor changes to times.
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