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Post by evergreenadam on Oct 29, 2023 12:25:56 GMT
While it would largely parallel the tube, I wonder if a link from Central London to Hammersmith via South Kensington might work, using the A4 to serve the area around Barons Court too? I think this could be done by rerouting route C1 via Hammersmith. It seems a bit pointless having it basically duplicate route 49 to White City. There are no bus stops on Talgarth Road and there is no room to build lay bys, while parts of Barons Court are a long way from a bus stop and deserve a bus service, I can’t see TfL doing this. It’s a red route, very heavy traffic on a three lane highway with the danger of tail backs behind a bus loading up blocking junctions. If there is a problem on the A4 the whole of Hammersmith and Earls Court chokes up in minutes. |
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Post by Hassaan on Oct 30, 2023 13:18:11 GMT
The 430 I can kind of understand due to it being fairly lightly used on the 74 overlap but the 436 down to every 12 seems harsh on what is still a very busy stretch through Peckham up to Oval. Interesting about the shorts on the N38. The reduction on the 430 is no surprise given that TfL previously wanted to get rid of the ridiculously generous levels of capacity currently provided on the overlap with the 74 between Putney High Street and South Kensington, by withdrawing the 74 entirely. This achieves some savings but at the expense of passengers in Roehampton on the section where the 430 runs alone. Would have been better to withdraw the 430 between Putney Bridge and South Kensington or divert it at Lillie Road to run to Hammersmith instead. The 436 has become a route of two halves since being rerouted to Battersea Park Station. The Oval to Battersea Park section could probably cope with 5bph at the moment. Extending the 436 a bit further on, say to Battersea Latchmere would make it more useful. From what I’ve seen along Nine Elms Lane it just picks up a few stragglers who could otherwise easily have been accommodated on the 156 or 344, except during the peaks when the with the flow journeys are a bit more lively. The overlap is slightly shorter: Putney to West Brompton. From West Brompton to South Kensington, the 74 takes a longer route via Earl's Court (A3220) and A4 Cromwell Road compared to the more direct 430 via Old Brompton Road. Could 430 to Hammersmith (or White City even) and 190 extended to South Kensington work? |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 30, 2023 18:10:47 GMT
The reduction on the 430 is no surprise given that TfL previously wanted to get rid of the ridiculously generous levels of capacity currently provided on the overlap with the 74 between Putney High Street and South Kensington, by withdrawing the 74 entirely. This achieves some savings but at the expense of passengers in Roehampton on the section where the 430 runs alone. Would have been better to withdraw the 430 between Putney Bridge and South Kensington or divert it at Lillie Road to run to Hammersmith instead. The 436 has become a route of two halves since being rerouted to Battersea Park Station. The Oval to Battersea Park section could probably cope with 5bph at the moment. Extending the 436 a bit further on, say to Battersea Latchmere would make it more useful. From what I’ve seen along Nine Elms Lane it just picks up a few stragglers who could otherwise easily have been accommodated on the 156 or 344, except during the peaks when the with the flow journeys are a bit more lively. The overlap is slightly shorter: Putney to West Brompton. From West Brompton to South Kensington, the 74 takes a longer route via Earl's Court (A3220) and A4 Cromwell Road compared to the more direct 430 via Old Brompton Road. Could 430 to Hammersmith (or White City even) and 190 extended to South Kensington work? That could work, ideally converting the 190 to DDs too. Could perhaps continue the 430 further to merge with the 72, operating between East Acton and Roehampton again but via Putney? Then send the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge (north side). |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Nov 3, 2023 10:24:44 GMT
Victoria Bus Station Closure
From 07:00 on Monday 13th November 2023 to 17:00 Friday 29th December 2023, Victoria Bus Station will be closed due to works. Routes 3, 38/N38, 52 & 390 will be diverted away from Victoria Bus Station during this period.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 3, 2023 13:22:06 GMT
Victoria Bus Station Closure From 07:00 on Monday 13th November 2023 to 17:00 Friday 29th December 2023, Victoria Bus Station will be closed due to works. Routes 3, 38/N38, 52 & 390 will be diverted away from Victoria Bus Station during this period. From the info uploaded so far on the bus status page: 38/N38, 390 first stop will be bus stop Q, Grovesnor Garden (existing stop on the route) 3 will be starting on Wilton Road at stop H just around the corner, much nicer for passengers 52 diverted via "Bressenden Place, missing stops Buckingham Palace Road / Bressenden Place (P) and Victoria Bus Station (A)". In simpler terms, first stop Grovesnor Garden (stop Q)?
Any idea what the works are for? Is the bus station changing in any manner?
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Post by justjxck1994 on Nov 3, 2023 21:56:40 GMT
SL10 (Harrow to North Finchley) due to commence from November 25
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Nov 3, 2023 23:05:05 GMT
SL10 (Harrow to North Finchley) due to commence from November 25 223 extension happens on the same day, to allow stand space at Harrow for the SL10. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Nov 4, 2023 4:41:53 GMT
The overlap is slightly shorter: Putney to West Brompton. From West Brompton to South Kensington, the 74 takes a longer route via Earl's Court (A3220) and A4 Cromwell Road compared to the more direct 430 via Old Brompton Road. Could 430 to Hammersmith (or White City even) and 190 extended to South Kensington work? That could work, ideally converting the 190 to DDs too. Could perhaps continue the 430 further to merge with the 72, operating between East Acton and Roehampton again but via Putney? Then send the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge (north side). While this might be temporary while the DELs were needed for route gains prior to electric buses arriving, route 190 is currently double-deck (VW) anyway. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Nov 4, 2023 8:06:35 GMT
That could work, ideally converting the 190 to DDs too. Could perhaps continue the 430 further to merge with the 72, operating between East Acton and Roehampton again but via Putney? Then send the 283 to Hammersmith Bridge (north side). While this might be temporary while the DELs were needed for route gains prior to electric buses arriving, route 190 is currently double-deck (VW) anyway. The ex 306 batch would also fit it perfectly if DDs were ever to become a permanent allocation. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 4, 2023 12:52:00 GMT
While this might be temporary while the DELs were needed for route gains prior to electric buses arriving, route 190 is currently double-deck (VW) anyway. The ex 306 batch would also fit it perfectly if DDs were ever to become a permanent allocation. Plus the currently refurbished SDs are still young enough for a new contract elsewhere such as the U2. I'm always surprised the 190 seems to cope reasonably well with SDs every 15 mins due to it being the fasted to Hammersmith from Richmond and being one of the only two routes still to reach Hammersmith (the 33 and 419 don't really at the moment). |
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Post by DE20106 on Nov 4, 2023 14:05:59 GMT
The ex 306 batch would also fit it perfectly if DDs were ever to become a permanent allocation. Plus the currently refurbished SDs are still young enough for a new contract elsewhere such as the U2. I'm always surprised the 190 seems to cope reasonably well with SDs every 15 mins due to it being the fasted to Hammersmith from Richmond and being one of the only two routes still to reach Hammersmith (the 33 and 419 don't really at the moment). To be fair I don’t think many people in Richmond are too bothered about saving money, so they’ll just use the tube or drive. Hence the 190’s relative lack of demand |
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Post by gwiwer on Nov 4, 2023 16:24:46 GMT
Plus the currently refurbished SDs are still young enough for a new contract elsewhere such as the U2. I'm always surprised the 190 seems to cope reasonably well with SDs every 15 mins due to it being the fasted to Hammersmith from Richmond and being one of the only two routes still to reach Hammersmith (the 33 and 419 don't really at the moment). To be fair I don’t think many people in Richmond are too bothered about saving money, so they’ll just use the tube or drive. Hence the 190’s relative lack of demand The Great Chertsey Road section was never busy. It used to be served by RFs with a PVR of just four for the Hammersmith - Richmond 290. When that was linked through to Staines some years later and worked for a time by Metrobuses the PVR was only 7 for a running time of well over an hour. IIRC the 290 ran every 20 - 30 minutes. The 190 over that section now is therefore the best-ever service. Given that most is covered by other routes including the 533 from Chalkers Corner to Hammersmith and other routes in from Turnham Green it really isn't any surprise that the 190 is coping with SD quite well. |
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Post by YX10FFN on Nov 4, 2023 17:42:05 GMT
To be fair I don’t think many people in Richmond are too bothered about saving money, so they’ll just use the tube or drive. Hence the 190’s relative lack of demand The Great Chertsey Road section was never busy. It used to be served by RFs with a PVR of just four for the Hammersmith - Richmond 290. When that was linked through to Staines some years later and worked for a time by Metrobuses the PVR was only 7 for a running time of well over an hour. IIRC the 290 ran every 20 - 30 minutes. The 190 over that section now is therefore the best-ever service. Given that most is covered by other routes including the 533 from Chalkers Corner to Hammersmith and other routes in from Turnham Green it really isn't any surprise that the 190 is coping with SD quite well. A big part is also the District Line can get from Richmond to Hammersmith in just under 15 minutes. I've always found the 190 loads well between Hammersmith and West Brompton picking up a lot of local demand and round the corner links, especially from the Lillie Road area to the hospital and Hammersmith. Then it gets quieter in the middle bit and picks up a bit of local demand in to Richmond along Lower Richmond Road. As you mention the 533 has taken away a chunk of that demand in the middle section. Although I use the 190 myself if I were to go to Hammersmith instead of the 110 even though it's a longer walk, because the service is more reliable and encounters less traffic, and I know I can most often get a seat. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 4, 2023 18:05:07 GMT
Plus the currently refurbished SDs are still young enough for a new contract elsewhere such as the U2. I'm always surprised the 190 seems to cope reasonably well with SDs every 15 mins due to it being the fasted to Hammersmith from Richmond and being one of the only two routes still to reach Hammersmith (the 33 and 419 don't really at the moment). To be fair I don’t think many people in Richmond are too bothered about saving money, so they’ll just use the tube or drive. Hence the 190’s relative lack of demand Its very true. A train journey of less then 15 mins is probably preferable to 90% of people. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Nov 4, 2023 18:18:26 GMT
To be fair I don’t think many people in Richmond are too bothered about saving money, so they’ll just use the tube or drive. Hence the 190’s relative lack of demand Its very true. A train journey of less than 15 mins is probably preferable to 90% of people. Very similar in West London no doubt, WLL reopened in 1994 to passenger services, W Brompton opened in 1999 and Shepherd’s Bush and Imperial Wharf in 2008. No doubt that has made it a lot more preferable to use the train for North West to South West services, along with a more integrated ticketing system, higher frequency/capacity and through services via Willesden Junction now. |
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