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Post by enviroPB on Jan 26, 2024 20:12:46 GMT
Interesting to see quite a few improvements to early morning and evening frequencies. LOTS reported that route 97 will be increased in frequency to x12mins in the evenings from 2nd March. Presumably due to demand from Westfield Stratford? Hammersmith and Fulham Council has reported an increase to the frequency of route 306 from 13th April from x20mins to x15mins, not sure if this will be both Sundays and evenings. Past 9pm buses on the 97 don't leave Stratford City at full seating capacity, instead passengers make their way to Leyton Station to catch a bus. Sounding like a broken record from yesterday but this may also be a tactical frequency increase. The 97 doesn't serve Walthamstow Central bus station anymore and bus usage data shows route 69 serves one of the busiest bus stops in London at the bus station. The frequency increase is predominantly to solve capacity issues along High Road Leyton, likely punctuality issues too as the 69's EVs have only had their mechanical troubles grow exponentially with each passing day.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 26, 2024 20:19:48 GMT
Interesting to see quite a few improvements to early morning and evening frequencies. LOTS reported that route 97 will be increased in frequency to x12mins in the evenings from 2nd March. Presumably due to demand from Westfield Stratford? Hammersmith and Fulham Council has reported an increase to the frequency of route 306 from 13th April from x20mins to x15mins, not sure if this will be both Sundays and evenings. Past 9pm buses on the 97 don't leave Stratford City at full seating capacity, instead passengers make their way to Leyton Station to catch a bus. Sounding like a broken record from yesterday but this may also be a tactical frequency increase. The 97 doesn't serve Walthamstow Central bus station anymore and bus usage data shows route 69 serves one of the busiest bus stops in London at the bus station. The frequency increase is predominantly to solve capacity issues along High Road Leyton, likely punctuality issues too as the 69's EVs have only had their mechanical troubles grow exponentially with each passing day. Even with the 69 buses being off the road they are always covered by Hybrids so should have minimal impact on day to day running. When hybrids are out they are usually from morning to night meaning electric buses are off the road and not actually breaking down "in service".
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 26, 2024 22:05:10 GMT
‘Past 9pm buses on the 97 don't leave Stratford City at full seating capacity, instead passengers make their way to Leyton Station to catch a bus.’
Sorry I don’t know the area and don’t understand. So there is space on the 97 leaving Stratford after 9pm?
Who goes to Leyton Station to catch a bus? People travelling from Stratford take the tube to Leyton to catch a northbound bus? Why would they do that?
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 27, 2024 12:04:23 GMT
‘Past 9pm buses on the 97 don't leave Stratford City at full seating capacity, instead passengers make their way to Leyton Station to catch a bus.’ Sorry I don’t know the area and don’t understand. So there is space on the 97 leaving Stratford after 9pm? Who goes to Leyton Station to catch a bus? People travelling from Stratford take the tube to Leyton to catch a northbound bus? Why would they do that? A lot of people take advantage of Stratford being in zone 2. After roughly 9pm buses on the 97 aren't leaving Stratford City 70+ passengers deep, so I wanted to highlight the point that the new frequency increase isn't due to buses leaving Stratford City packed in the late evenings. It's needed for the High Road Leyton corridor where people pack out the 97 there in the evenings.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 27, 2024 12:51:43 GMT
‘Past 9pm buses on the 97 don't leave Stratford City at full seating capacity, instead passengers make their way to Leyton Station to catch a bus.’ Sorry I don’t know the area and don’t understand. So there is space on the 97 leaving Stratford after 9pm? Who goes to Leyton Station to catch a bus? People travelling from Stratford take the tube to Leyton to catch a northbound bus? Why would they do that? A lot of people take advantage of Stratford being in zone 2. After roughly 9pm buses on the 97 aren't leaving Stratford City 70+ passengers deep, so I wanted to highlight the point that the new frequency increase isn't due to buses leaving Stratford City packed in the late evenings. It's needed for the High Road Leyton corridor where people pack out the 97 there in the evenings. Ah ok, what drives the late evening demand on High Road Leyton? People leaving Leyton tube station from Central London?
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 27, 2024 13:09:09 GMT
A lot of people take advantage of Stratford being in zone 2. After roughly 9pm buses on the 97 aren't leaving Stratford City 70+ passengers deep, so I wanted to highlight the point that the new frequency increase isn't due to buses leaving Stratford City packed in the late evenings. It's needed for the High Road Leyton corridor where people pack out the 97 there in the evenings. Ah ok, what drives the late evening demand on High Road Leyton? People leaving Leyton tube station from Central London? Yep.
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Post by WH241 on Jan 27, 2024 14:05:17 GMT
A lot of people take advantage of Stratford being in zone 2. After roughly 9pm buses on the 97 aren't leaving Stratford City 70+ passengers deep, so I wanted to highlight the point that the new frequency increase isn't due to buses leaving Stratford City packed in the late evenings. It's needed for the High Road Leyton corridor where people pack out the 97 there in the evenings. Ah ok, what drives the late evening demand on High Road Leyton? People leaving Leyton tube station from Central London? I must admit I am a bit confused and maybe read it wrong but I would have assumed passengers wanting to take advantage of zone 2 would exit the train at Stratford and board a bus from here towards Leyton. This will only benefits those using Travelcards or hitting the daily or weekly caps.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 27, 2024 14:38:51 GMT
Ah ok, what drives the late evening demand on High Road Leyton? People leaving Leyton tube station from Central London? I must admit I am a bit confused and maybe read it wrong but I would have assumed passengers wanting to take advantage of zone 2 would exit the train at Stratford and board a bus from here towards Leyton. This is only benefits those using Travelcards or hitting the daily or weekly caps. I would imagine it is the group of passengers involved. People who are going to make the most use of a Z2 saving are likely to be frequent commuters who stand to make a huge saving if they make the journey frequently, so most likely commuters who make the journeying during working hours Monday to Friday. Those who are out late at night are more likely to be those going out to Central London for social reasons and if you're on a social outing you're often more likely to be open to spending more money so might not worry about the extra money to go to extra zone so you can get home faster.
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Post by Dad91 on Jan 28, 2024 3:03:44 GMT
To Be honest 97 always rammed it busy route it's good the route getting frequency increase. What is new PVR be for 97
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Post by Dad91 on Jan 28, 2024 3:05:03 GMT
306 is interesting. It’s a route I barely see half full, didn’t think it needed it tbh What it needs is an extension further into Acton can't 306 be extended to Ealing Broadway or further down Acton high Street.
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Post by VH45241 on Jan 28, 2024 3:10:23 GMT
What it needs is an extension further into Acton can't 306 be extended to Ealing Broadway or further down Acton high Street. They won’t do it cause of the Elizabeth line, think about it, the 427 got cut back to Southall
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Post by sam97 on Jan 28, 2024 5:28:32 GMT
To Be honest 97 always rammed it busy route it's good the route getting frequency increase. What is new PVR be for 97 They’re only increasing the evening frequency (I think) so PVR would probably stay at 20.
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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 28, 2024 10:09:11 GMT
can't 306 be extended to Ealing Broadway or further down Acton high Street. They won’t do it cause of the Elizabeth line, think about it, the 427 got cut back to Southall Acton High Street should be enough of an extension. It's more of a high profile terminus and could bring a lot more passengers to the route
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 28, 2024 10:21:26 GMT
They won’t do it cause of the Elizabeth line, think about it, the 427 got cut back to Southall Acton High Street should be enough of an extension. It's more of a high profile terminus and could bring a lot more passengers to the route It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 28, 2024 10:40:40 GMT
Acton High Street should be enough of an extension. It's more of a high profile terminus and could bring a lot more passengers to the route It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could. Agree about the Acton changes. Where should the 320 continue to?
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