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Post by redexpress on Aug 30, 2024 21:43:49 GMT
It was a very controversial move. I know I've mentioned a few routes in the past that was a big mistake for them to do it to I.e the 257, 238, 104, 212 and 295 in particular. The 295 one was unforgivable in my eyes. Worse still that the 295 were single doored buses, as the 345 initially was also when converted from Titans to LDPs The step-entrance Darts used on the 295 between 1992 and 1998 were indeed single-door, but the SLFs that Centrewest used when they won the route in 2000 were dual-door. There may have been odd workings of single-door buses in the early days. |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Aug 31, 2024 4:02:17 GMT
]A new timetable will be introduced on route 174 with changes to late evening journeys towards Harold Hill from Dagenham CEME on all days of the week. There will be a later journey from Dagenham CEME leaving at 0108 and passing Dagenham Heathway station at 0118 providing a later connection with District line arrivals from Central London and at Romford Station at 0131 to provide a connection with the last Elizabeth line train from Liverpool Street. The later journey also closes the gap between the last 174 and first N86 buses from 50 to 30 minutes between Romford Station and Harold Hill. No change to times of buses from Harold Hill towards Dagenham CEME. TFL do this but on Sunday mornings there is an hour 25 gap between the last N86 and first 174 at Harold Hill 🤷♂️ |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 31, 2024 14:58:49 GMT
If TfL had any tact they'd publicise the changes to the 174 given the useful connections from the last train rather than hide it on an obscure page (for most passengers) on their website! I assume there's nothing about this at stops?
Always has struck me how unwilling TfL is to publicise improvements (barring the Superloop), probably a lack of political incentive unlike Superloop but you'd think 1. the mayor would like to get word of the various frequency improvements rolled out lately out there (poor tact there) and 2. even disregarding this, TfL, should learn to promote its improvements independent of any political pressure (commercial networks know how to!).
On the contrary, I’ve noticed a few bus stops showing improvements which are occurring on August 31st. For example the 66 has some frequency increases, and the first bus on Sunday from Leytonstone will be around 5am as opposed to 7am which are some pretty big upgrades, and they were being advertised Good to know that! Thought they wouldn't bother given the usual shockingly poor nature of disruption info at stops but clearly another (more enthusiastic perhaps) team takes care of these things! |
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Sept 11, 2024 21:14:59 GMT
Good to know that! Thought they wouldn't bother given the usual shockingly poor nature of disruption info at stops but clearly another (more enthusiastic perhaps) team takes care of these things! Well we are still yet to receive the new timetables at bus stops, with their questionable journey times (such as the 86 ones saying that the full route from Romford takes around 45 mins to complete, which is obviously a bunch of lies...) |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 12, 2024 14:38:20 GMT
Good to know that! Thought they wouldn't bother given the usual shockingly poor nature of disruption info at stops but clearly another (more enthusiastic perhaps) team takes care of these things! Well we are still yet to receive the new timetables at bus stops, with their questionable journey times (such as the 86 ones saying that the full route from Romford takes around 45 mins to complete, which is obviously a bunch of lies...) To get TfL off on a technicality, the 2355 departure (Mon-Fri) takes 46 minutes. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 19, 2024 21:27:22 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October:
4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins
103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins
175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins
201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins
411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins
U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 19, 2024 21:38:47 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Finally, the joke of a frequency on the 411 in the evenings is being increased. If only the daytime frequency could be increased to every 15 mins to match the peak frequency (therefore no change to the PVR), as the route gets regularly overcrowded during the day. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 19, 2024 21:49:02 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Finally, the joke of a frequency on the 411 in the evenings is being increased. If only the daytime frequency could be increased to every 15 mins to match the peak frequency (therefore no change to the PVR), as the route gets regularly overcrowded during the day. Totally agree, am sure x15mins offpeak would make the route even more popular. |
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 19, 2024 22:21:06 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Finally, the joke of a frequency on the 411 in the evenings is being increased. If only the daytime frequency could be increased to every 15 mins to match the peak frequency (therefore no change to the PVR), as the route gets regularly overcrowded during the day. I hadn't spotted that the 411 "enjoyed" only an hourly headway in the evenings. Is that perhaps because it is paralleled by the 111 and 216 for most of its route and the only unique section is not in London but Surrey? It is certainly a busy one and can sometimes be relied upon when the 111 / 216 are disrupted and turned back at Hampton Wick or even Hampton Court. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 19, 2024 22:28:28 GMT
Finally, the joke of a frequency on the 411 in the evenings is being increased. If only the daytime frequency could be increased to every 15 mins to match the peak frequency (therefore no change to the PVR), as the route gets regularly overcrowded during the day. I hadn't spotted that the 411 "enjoyed" only an hourly headway in the evenings. Is that perhaps because it is paralleled by the 111 and 216 for most of its route and the only unique section is not in London but Surrey? It is certainly a busy one and can sometimes be relied upon when the 111 / 216 are disrupted and turned back at Hampton Wick or even Hampton Court. The paralleled section is mostly open space, I would imagine the vast majority of users of the 411 are from the Surrey side of Thames where it provides unique links to large areas of housing in the Moleseys. To be honest it could even be extended further to Walton and would probably do quite well. |
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Post by yunus on Sept 19, 2024 22:31:48 GMT
I hadn't spotted that the 411 "enjoyed" only an hourly headway in the evenings. Is that perhaps because it is paralleled by the 111 and 216 for most of its route and the only unique section is not in London but Surrey? It is certainly a busy one and can sometimes be relied upon when the 111 / 216 are disrupted and turned back at Hampton Wick or even Hampton Court. The paralleled section is mostly open space, I would imagine the vast majority of users of the 411 are from the Surrey side of Thames where it provides unique links to large areas of housing in the Moleseys. To be honest it could even be extended further to Walton and would probably do quite well. I am new to Surrey and tbf the 461 does cover the Walton part. |
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 19, 2024 22:40:00 GMT
I hadn't spotted that the 411 "enjoyed" only an hourly headway in the evenings. Is that perhaps because it is paralleled by the 111 and 216 for most of its route and the only unique section is not in London but Surrey? It is certainly a busy one and can sometimes be relied upon when the 111 / 216 are disrupted and turned back at Hampton Wick or even Hampton Court. The paralleled section is mostly open space, I would imagine the vast majority of users of the 411 are from the Surrey side of Thames where it provides unique links to large areas of housing in the Moleseys. To be honest it could even be extended further to Walton and would probably do quite well. Many of us remember the days when LT "red buses" provided the service - not just one but a choice of them - throughout that part of NE Surrey. Molesey, Walton and to many points beyond. Politics is the main reason why they no longer do so. Falcon has been obliged to offer "Oyster-match" fares within the TfL area in order to win traffic. The days of Routemasters to Walton-on-Thames on the 131 (as just one example) are consigned to memory now. |
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Post by abellion on Sept 20, 2024 5:48:08 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Yay for the 201  |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 20, 2024 9:35:52 GMT
The paralleled section is mostly open space, I would imagine the vast majority of users of the 411 are from the Surrey side of Thames where it provides unique links to large areas of housing in the Moleseys. To be honest it could even be extended further to Walton and would probably do quite well. Many of us remember the days when LT "red buses" provided the service - not just one but a choice of them - throughout that part of NE Surrey. Molesey, Walton and to many points beyond. Politics is the main reason why they no longer do so. Falcon has been obliged to offer "Oyster-match" fares within the TfL area in order to win traffic. The days of Routemasters to Walton-on-Thames on the 131 (as just one example) are consigned to memory now. Sadly the artificial Greater London border creates this ridiculous "barrier" with services cutting off at the border or not far past it, or running a bit further out at ridiculously low frequencies. Many of the existing cross-border services such as the 117, 406 and 418 should have much higher frequencies and some routes should be extended further out, such as the 116 to Staines (which is a glaringly obvious extension in my opinion). Additionally many of the non-TfL cross-border services would ideally be TfL operated, such as the 409 (Selsdon to Caterham), 420 (Sutton to Redhill), 458 (Kingston to Staines) and 555 (Heathrow to Walton) etc. |
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Post by adl on Sept 20, 2024 9:48:46 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Nice to see the 103 & 175 evenings go to every 15 minutes, I often find them to be quite busy past 9pm. |
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