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Post by Busboy105 on Jan 28, 2024 10:55:15 GMT
Acton High Street should be enough of an extension. It's more of a high profile terminus and could bring a lot more passengers to the route It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could. You think the 320 should go to Lewisham as well?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 28, 2024 10:57:36 GMT
It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could. Agree about the Acton changes. Where should the 320 continue to? If I was redrawing the network and stand space wasn't an issue I'd have run the 199 to Bromley North as planned and the 208 as now from Lewisham to Orpington. Lewisham to Bromley Market Square I find the busiest stretch of the 208 as it serves all of Catford whereas the 320 first stop feels like you are already on the way out of Catford. The 320 original proposal to run in service round the loop and serve a couple more stops in Catford I think would have been good.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 28, 2024 13:03:16 GMT
Agree about the Acton changes. Where should the 320 continue to? If I was redrawing the network and stand space wasn't an issue I'd have run the 199 to Bromley North as planned and the 208 as now from Lewisham to Orpington. Lewisham to Bromley Market Square I find the busiest stretch of the 208 as it serves all of Catford whereas the 320 first stop feels like you are already on the way out of Catford. The 320 original proposal to run in service round the loop and serve a couple more stops in Catford I think would have been good. I think the plan with the 199 extension to Bromley was to curtail the 208 at Catford so it would have been much the same scenario as now. Ideally I think the 47 and 199 should be extended to Bromley giving two routes to Lewisham although the 47 is obviously too long in its current form. Alternatively extend the 171 to Bromley which would be more useful than the 320 terminating in Catford.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 28, 2024 14:01:07 GMT
Agree about the Acton changes. Where should the 320 continue to? If I was redrawing the network and stand space wasn't an issue I'd have run the 199 to Bromley North as planned and the 208 as now from Lewisham to Orpington. Lewisham to Bromley Market Square I find the busiest stretch of the 208 as it serves all of Catford whereas the 320 first stop feels like you are already on the way out of Catford. The 320 original proposal to run in service round the loop and serve a couple more stops in Catford I think would have been good. The South Circular is going to be moved soon anyways so 171 & 320 will just turn right onto Bromley Road making it much easier instead of that stilly one way system, it might actually help because the 320 always ends up behind the 208 when it reaches Bromley Road the removal of the loop may actually make the 320 get well ahead of the 208. The reason the 320 does not use Bradgate Road is because of Toilet Facilities. Overall the 320 just does what the 208 short workings used to do and nothing has changed. The Catford to Orpington Section used to carry less when returning because most people would wait outside the Post Office. The 199 was originally going to get extended to Bromley North and the 208 cut to Catford and do exactly what the 320 does now.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 28, 2024 14:01:52 GMT
It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could. You think the 320 should go to Lewisham as well? No that would make the route too long. It’s a shame Lewisham Hospital has no area in the grounds to stand a bus would be perfect for the 320.
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Post by Dad91 on Jan 28, 2024 14:13:52 GMT
Acton High Street should be enough of an extension. It's more of a high profile terminus and could bring a lot more passengers to the route It could certainly use the old stand the 427 which would give the advantage of serving the full length of Acton High Street. Iv always said the 218/266/306 changes weren't bad by any measure but could be better. Same as with the 208/320. Does the job but the 306 and 320 both I feel stop just short of where people actually want to go and therefore don't relive the 208 and 218 aswell as they could. Acton high Street only few stops down. Be easy for passengers don't need to change over
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 28, 2024 22:24:03 GMT
Noticed the Stop outside Fairfield Halls no longer served by the 119 312 433 & 466 still has all the Route number tiles there. Those changes the publicity was very bad.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 29, 2024 9:24:06 GMT
Noticed the Stop outside Fairfield Halls no longer served by the 119 312 433 & 466 still has all the Route number tiles there. Those changes the publicity was very bad. I wonder if people in Croydon Town Centre just wait at a random bus stop and pray the bus they want to catch stops there. They have about e 30% chance of being correct. The whole thing has been utterly confusing, even for an enthusiast, with buses switching directions along certain streets and diversion routings changing every few months
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Post by greenboy on Jan 29, 2024 9:35:48 GMT
Noticed the Stop outside Fairfield Halls no longer served by the 119 312 433 & 466 still has all the Route number tiles there. Those changes the publicity was very bad. I wonder if people in Croydon Town Centre just wait at a random bus stop and pray the bus they want to catch stops there. They have about e 30% chance of being correct. The whole thing has been utterly confusing, even for an enthusiast, with buses switching directions along certain streets and diversion routings changing every few months I think it's been a while since the last change but no excuse for the state of dissaray and confusion and it was the same a few years ago after the 405 and 412 were withdrawn from West Croydon. I'm baffled as to how TfL can make such a hash of such a relatively simple task?
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 29, 2024 10:16:39 GMT
Noticed the Stop outside Fairfield Halls no longer served by the 119 312 433 & 466 still has all the Route number tiles there. Those changes the publicity was very bad. I wonder if people in Croydon Town Centre just wait at a random bus stop and pray the bus they want to catch stops there. They have about e 30% chance of being correct. The whole thing has been utterly confusing, even for an enthusiast, with buses switching directions along certain streets and diversion routings changing every few months TPC, Totally Poor Communication. I would not be surprised if they are doing this. Overall what matters to TFL most if the Superloop everything else is an afterthought otherwise those Croydon changes would have been done promptly with incorrect information removed. The Stop at Croydon Flyover Northbound is still missing the 468 Tile however an N68 one has been added. When I asked at the garage yesterday about the 468 using Fell Road then Katherine Street I was told no continue up the Flyover as Normal, overall it is pretty pointless the 468 turning left then right.
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Post by londonbuses on Feb 6, 2024 18:41:04 GMT
Disappointing that there hasn't been any sort of publicity about the Sutton/Croydon changes yet (not even anything on the TfL bus changes page yet), they are just over 3 weeks away and will massively effect journeys across the two boroughs.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 6, 2024 18:43:56 GMT
Disappointing that there hasn't been any sort of publicity about the Sutton/Croydon changes yet (not even anything on the TfL bus changes page yet), they are just over 3 weeks away and will massively effect journeys across the two boroughs. Yeah it is quite weird how there's no news.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 6, 2024 20:45:14 GMT
Disappointing that there hasn't been any sort of publicity about the Sutton/Croydon changes yet (not even anything on the TfL bus changes page yet), they are just over 3 weeks away and will massively effect journeys across the two boroughs. Yeah it is quite weird how there's no news. I thought that too, I’ve seen no publicity whatsoever about the changes with little over three weeks to go until theyre implemented.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 6, 2024 20:56:04 GMT
Yeah it is quite weird how there's no news. I thought that too, I’ve seen no publicity whatsoever about the changes with little over three weeks to go until theyre implemented. Odd aswell when most are genuine improvements. A Sunday service on the S4, more frequent service to Old Lodge Lane etc you would think they would want to be shouting about.
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Post by Busboy105 on Feb 6, 2024 22:57:37 GMT
I thought that too, I’ve seen no publicity whatsoever about the changes with little over three weeks to go until theyre implemented. Odd aswell when most are genuine improvements. A Sunday service on the S4, more frequent service to Old Lodge Lane etc you would think they would want to be shouting about. Maybe they're not happening at all?
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