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Post by wirewiper on Jul 17, 2024 7:05:14 GMT
One for the historians here. 01/09/24 will see some changes in Hertfordshire. The long-standing 386, once one of hte longest and least-frequent Country Area routes, will finally cease to exist. Almost. Likewise the 383 and 384 which have survived from early LT days until now. The 386 (Bishops Stortford - Stevenage) hasn't squeezed through Cottered for many years having been re-routed to reach Stevenage via Hitchin rather than the other way around. The single journey which still follows the original LOR operated by Richmond's Coaches between BS and Puckeridge via Wellpond Green will remain and retains the 386 number. The main route is split into 36 (eastern half) and 37 (western half) split in but connecting across Buntingford. Frequency is improved significantly using BSIP funds. The 384 (Hertford - Stevenage) is simply renumbered 38 and the 383 to 38A without any other changes but more long-lasting ex-LT route numbers are lost. History indeed! I remember riding both the 384 and 386 with Green and Golden Rovers, leaf-green Leyland Nationals and Bristol LHs. |
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Post by gwiwer on Jul 17, 2024 21:05:20 GMT
One for the historians here. 01/09/24 will see some changes in Hertfordshire. The long-standing 386, once one of hte longest and least-frequent Country Area routes, will finally cease to exist. Almost. Likewise the 383 and 384 which have survived from early LT days until now. The 386 (Bishops Stortford - Stevenage) hasn't squeezed through Cottered for many years having been re-routed to reach Stevenage via Hitchin rather than the other way around. The single journey which still follows the original LOR operated by Richmond's Coaches between BS and Puckeridge via Wellpond Green will remain and retains the 386 number. The main route is split into 36 (eastern half) and 37 (western half) split in but connecting across Buntingford. Frequency is improved significantly using BSIP funds. The 384 (Hertford - Stevenage) is simply renumbered 38 and the 383 to 38A without any other changes but more long-lasting ex-LT route numbers are lost. History indeed! I remember riding both the 384 and 386 with Green and Golden Rovers, leaf-green Leyland Nationals and Bristol LHs. I must have been a little before you. I rode them on green RFs and regret not having reached the 386 earlier as it was a GS route until that type was withdrawn. The very narrow lane through Cottered was considered unsuitable even for the fairly small RF class but short of withdrawing the route entirely a compromise had to be reached. It was good for pushing the bushes apart on both sides. |
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Post by londonbuses on Jul 18, 2024 15:54:34 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 20 July 2024 The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 20 July. Route 17 will have a new timetable from this date with minor changes to times. The Sunday daytime frequency will be increased to a bus every 12 minutes. No change to the frequency at any other time. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0420 from Archway towards London Bridge and 0500 from London Bridge towards Archway. The temporary timetable will be removed from route 201 with the service returning to run every 15 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays, every 20 minutes during the daytime on Sundays and every 30 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. Route 280 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route C11 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route W8 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. School Holiday schedules will be in operation on the following routes: 18, 20, 27, 32, 39, 51, 53, 54, 60, 61, 62, 63, 66, 69, 70, 71, 75, 77, 81, 83, 86, 89, 90, 92, 96, 99, 103, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113, 114, 119, 122, 127, 130, 131, 132, 134, 139, 140, 142, 143, 146, 150, 151, 154, 156, 157, 160, 161, 163, 164, 173, 174, 179, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 191, 197, 204, 208, 210, 212, 213, 216, 222, 227, 229, 233, 240, 245, 248, 251, 252, 256, 257, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 267, 270, 273, 275, 278, 280, 281, 282, 285, 287, 290, 292, 293, 294, 296, 297, 302, 313, 314, 321, 326, 328, 331, 336, 337, 347, 352, 353, 358, 363, 364, 367, 368, 370, 371, 372, 375, 384, 385, 386, 396, 397, 401, 404, 406, 407, 412, 417, 418, 422, 432, 433, 434, 439, 444, 450, 463, 464, 466, 467, 473, 481, 483, 490, 493, 498, 499, B11, B14, B16, C10, C11, D3, E2, E8, EL1, H2, H3, H12, H13, H18, H19, H22, H28, H32, H37, H91, H98, K1, K2, K3, P5, P12, S2, S3, S4, SL6, SL7, W6, W8, W11, W13 and W15. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyChanges to buses from Saturday 27 July 2024 The following changes will take place from Saturday 27 July. Route 117 will no longer serve bus stop HE in the grounds of West Middlesex Hospital. Buses will instead set down at bus stop HD and pick up from bus stop HA at the main hospital entrance. Route 481 will continue to serve bus stop HE. Route 388 will have two additional journeys introduced on all days of the week at 2404 and 2416 from Stratford City Bus Station to London Bridge Bus Station. Route 394 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels. Buses will now run every 15 minutes during the daytime and every 20 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0530 from Homerton Hospital towards Islington, Angel and 0530 from Islington, Angel towards Homerton Hospital. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL1 with the service returning to run every 5-6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 6 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The night service will continue to run every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL2 with the service returning to run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL3 with the service returning to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 12 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journey |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 18, 2024 16:29:11 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase.
Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency.
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Post by abellion on Jul 18, 2024 16:53:23 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 20 July 2024 The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 20 July. Route 280 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route C11 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route W8 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. All three of these routes are due new EVs, are these timetables usually something to do with ISA? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 18, 2024 17:01:56 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase. Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency. I'd be a bit surprised if the 17 was even that busy on a Sunday. Archway to Holloway has support and down the Caledonian Road. South of Kings Cross serves an area which is largely staffed only Monday to Fridays so I'm kind of surprised it's having its freq upped on a Sunday. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 18, 2024 19:01:29 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase. Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency. I'd be a bit surprised if the 17 was even that busy on a Sunday. Archway to Holloway has support and down the Caledonian Road. South of Kings Cross serves an area which is largely staffed only Monday to Fridays so I'm kind of surprised it's having its freq upped on a Sunday. It’s not really, It’s a fresh air route outside of peak times. I once audaciously (and a bit naively) said that the 17 would cope fine with SDs, but that was until I used it in the peaks and we were completely fully loaded after KX. But off peak the loads are very light |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 18, 2024 19:56:12 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase. Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency. LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming weekend frequency increases in August: 243 - Sat daytime x8-9mins to x8mins, Sun daytime x10mins to x8mins 50 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 255 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 66 - Sat daytime x12mins to x10mins, Sun daytime x20mins to x15mins 289 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins |
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Post by lonmark on Jul 18, 2024 20:43:38 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase. Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency. LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming weekend frequency increases in August: 243 - Sat daytime x8-9mins to x8mins, Sun daytime x10mins to x8mins 50 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 255 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 66 - Sat daytime x12mins to x10mins, Sun daytime x20mins to x15mins 289 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins Do it really need a increase for evening and all day Sunday? Nothing much help with daytime on Monday to Friday? |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 18, 2024 20:58:12 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming weekend frequency increases in August: 243 - Sat daytime x8-9mins to x8mins, Sun daytime x10mins to x8mins 50 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 255 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 66 - Sat daytime x12mins to x10mins, Sun daytime x20mins to x15mins 289 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins Do it really need a increase for evening and all day Sunday? Nothing much help with daytime on Monday to Friday? 289 definitely, one of my best friends regularly uses the 289 on Sundays, always tells me how packed it is all the time. Seen it with my own eyes when I’ve tagged along a few times |
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 18, 2024 22:21:30 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 20 July 2024 The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 20 July. Route 17 will have a new timetable from this date with minor changes to times. The Sunday daytime frequency will be increased to a bus every 12 minutes. No change to the frequency at any other time. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0420 from Archway towards London Bridge and 0500 from London Bridge towards Archway. The temporary timetable will be removed from route 201 with the service returning to run every 15 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays, every 20 minutes during the daytime on Sundays and every 30 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. Route 280 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route C11 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route W8 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. School Holiday schedules will be in operation on the following routes: 18, 20, 27, 32, 39, 51, 53, 54, 60, 61, 62, 63, 66, 69, 70, 71, 75, 77, 81, 83, 86, 89, 90, 92, 96, 99, 103, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113, 114, 119, 122, 127, 130, 131, 132, 134, 139, 140, 142, 143, 146, 150, 151, 154, 156, 157, 160, 161, 163, 164, 173, 174, 179, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 191, 197, 204, 208, 210, 212, 213, 216, 222, 227, 229, 233, 240, 245, 248, 251, 252, 256, 257, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 267, 270, 273, 275, 278, 280, 281, 282, 285, 287, 290, 292, 293, 294, 296, 297, 302, 313, 314, 321, 326, 328, 331, 336, 337, 347, 352, 353, 358, 363, 364, 367, 368, 370, 371, 372, 375, 384, 385, 386, 396, 397, 401, 404, 406, 407, 412, 417, 418, 422, 432, 433, 434, 439, 444, 450, 463, 464, 466, 467, 473, 481, 483, 490, 493, 498, 499, B11, B14, B16, C10, C11, D3, E2, E8, EL1, H2, H3, H12, H13, H18, H19, H22, H28, H32, H37, H91, H98, K1, K2, K3, P5, P12, S2, S3, S4, SL6, SL7, W6, W8, W11, W13 and W15. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyChanges to buses from Saturday 27 July 2024 The following changes will take place from Saturday 27 July. Route 117 will no longer serve bus stop HE in the grounds of West Middlesex Hospital. Buses will instead set down at bus stop HD and pick up from bus stop HA at the main hospital entrance. Route 481 will continue to serve bus stop HE. Route 388 will have two additional journeys introduced on all days of the week at 2404 and 2416 from Stratford City Bus Station to London Bridge Bus Station. Route 394 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels. Buses will now run every 15 minutes during the daytime and every 20 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0530 from Homerton Hospital towards Islington, Angel and 0530 from Islington, Angel towards Homerton Hospital. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL1 with the service returning to run every 5-6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 6 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The night service will continue to run every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL2 with the service returning to run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL3 with the service returning to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 12 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyNever realised the 17 was every 15 on Sundays just like the 211. The only other major Central London route which comes to mind with a 4bph frequency on Sundays. |
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 18, 2024 22:31:20 GMT
Changes to buses from Saturday 20 July 2024 The following timetable changes will take place from Saturday 20 July. Route 17 will have a new timetable from this date with minor changes to times. The Sunday daytime frequency will be increased to a bus every 12 minutes. No change to the frequency at any other time. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0420 from Archway towards London Bridge and 0500 from London Bridge towards Archway. The temporary timetable will be removed from route 201 with the service returning to run every 15 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays, every 20 minutes during the daytime on Sundays and every 30 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. Route 280 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route C11 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route W8 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. School Holiday schedules will be in operation on the following routes: 18, 20, 27, 32, 39, 51, 53, 54, 60, 61, 62, 63, 66, 69, 70, 71, 75, 77, 81, 83, 86, 89, 90, 92, 96, 99, 103, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 113, 114, 119, 122, 127, 130, 131, 132, 134, 139, 140, 142, 143, 146, 150, 151, 154, 156, 157, 160, 161, 163, 164, 173, 174, 179, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 191, 197, 204, 208, 210, 212, 213, 216, 222, 227, 229, 233, 240, 245, 248, 251, 252, 256, 257, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 267, 270, 273, 275, 278, 280, 281, 282, 285, 287, 290, 292, 293, 294, 296, 297, 302, 313, 314, 321, 326, 328, 331, 336, 337, 347, 352, 353, 358, 363, 364, 367, 368, 370, 371, 372, 375, 384, 385, 386, 396, 397, 401, 404, 406, 407, 412, 417, 418, 422, 432, 433, 434, 439, 444, 450, 463, 464, 466, 467, 473, 481, 483, 490, 493, 498, 499, B11, B14, B16, C10, C11, D3, E2, E8, EL1, H2, H3, H12, H13, H18, H19, H22, H28, H32, H37, H91, H98, K1, K2, K3, P5, P12, S2, S3, S4, SL6, SL7, W6, W8, W11, W13 and W15. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyChanges to buses from Saturday 27 July 2024 The following changes will take place from Saturday 27 July. Route 117 will no longer serve bus stop HE in the grounds of West Middlesex Hospital. Buses will instead set down at bus stop HD and pick up from bus stop HA at the main hospital entrance. Route 481 will continue to serve bus stop HE. Route 388 will have two additional journeys introduced on all days of the week at 2404 and 2416 from Stratford City Bus Station to London Bridge Bus Station. Route 394 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels. Buses will now run every 15 minutes during the daytime and every 20 minutes during the evening on all days of the week. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0530 from Homerton Hospital towards Islington, Angel and 0530 from Islington, Angel towards Homerton Hospital. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL1 with the service returning to run every 5-6 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 6 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 10 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The night service will continue to run every 30 minutes on all nights of the week. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL2 with the service returning to run every 8 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 10 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 15 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The temporary timetable will be removed from route EL3 with the service returning to run every 10 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Fridays, every 12 minutes during the daytime on Saturdays and every 20 minutes during the evening and all day on Sundays. The new times for all the above routes will be available in our journey planner tool at www.tfl.gov.uk/plan-a-journeyNever realised the 17 was every 15 on Sundays just like the 211. The only other major Central London route which comes to mind with a 4bph frequency on Sundays. The 47 which is a very prolific Zone 1 route is every 20 minutes on Sundays, which is a frankly ludicrous frequency for a route like that The 42, 44, 70 and 360 are also zone 1 4bph routes on Sundays |
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Post by greg on Jul 19, 2024 1:16:41 GMT
Another Sunday frequency increase. Will be interesting when this capacity data comes out and see what it takes to get a frequency increase. Are TfL decreasing the frequency of 394 to help fund the extension? Either way seems terrible to extend a route but not provide a decent frequency. I think the 394 change is to do with the fact its currently withdrawn between Islington, Angel and Islington, Tolpuddle Street long term due to roadworks at Baron Street. This means the 394 isnt serving I believe the last 3-4 stops. The first stop and last stop will now be on City Road and it shares the stand with the 274, hence probably saving 15 minutes or so ish. |
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Post by greg on Jul 19, 2024 1:20:22 GMT
I'd be a bit surprised if the 17 was even that busy on a Sunday. Archway to Holloway has support and down the Caledonian Road. South of Kings Cross serves an area which is largely staffed only Monday to Fridays so I'm kind of surprised it's having its freq upped on a Sunday. It’s not really, It’s a fresh air route outside of peak times. I once audaciously (and a bit naively) said that the 17 would cope fine with SDs, but that was until I used it in the peaks and we were completely fully loaded after KX. But off peak the loads are very light I think it still would manage tbh. I did see the 17 today at around 10PM with a decent load of people heading to Archway, probably the busiest Ive ever seen, but considering it was a SD, it would still be packed, just more standing than seated. The 17 would be absolutely fine with an SD service, I don’t think it’s naive at all. It runs thin air between Archway and Caledonian Road, is a feeder for when the 91 doesnt show to King’s Cross, and then also picks up nothing during the office closed hours of Chancery Lane. Only real time you’ll see a busy 17 is probably in the early mornings, afternoon for the lunch breaks and late evenings. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 19, 2024 6:18:54 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming weekend frequency increases in August: 243 - Sat daytime x8-9mins to x8mins, Sun daytime x10mins to x8mins 50 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 255 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 66 - Sat daytime x12mins to x10mins, Sun daytime x20mins to x15mins 289 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins Do it really need a increase for evening and all day Sunday? Nothing much help with daytime on Monday to Friday? There are a lot of routes that could do with a Sunday frequency increase, at least during shopping hours, I'm astounded that the 314 is half hourly all day on a Sunday for example. Increasing Monday to Friday daytime services obviously requires more buses. |
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