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Post by Nathan on Mar 6, 2015 2:36:35 GMT
My guess is that the 25 will run from Oxford Circus to Stratford. Also, the recent bus changes on the official TFL website state the 15 will run from Blackwall and Northumberland Abenue/Trafalgar Square. So is the curtailment permenant then? I can't see the 25 being withdrawn east of Stratford as that section is already under serious pressure even with two very frequent services (25 & 86). I can only see any withdrawals of the 25 happening in Central London. I can see the 25 being cut back to Holborn or Holborn Circus. But what really need to be done is to split the route up into two separate ones (like the 36/436, and 53/453). Its just too bad the 425 number has already been taken
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Post by smoothcriminal on Mar 6, 2015 14:56:09 GMT
My guess is that the 25 will run from Oxford Circus to Stratford. Also, the recent bus changes on the official TFL website state the 15 will run from Blackwall and Northumberland Abenue/Trafalgar Square. So is the curtailment permenant then? I can't see the 25 being withdrawn east of Stratford as that section is already under serious pressure even with two very frequent services (25 & 86). I can only see any withdrawals of the 25 happening in Central London. Indeed Crossrail or not it would be suicide for tfl to withdraw the 25 from Ilford because no way could the 86 cope and the types of passengers that use the 25 will have no interest in crossrail.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 6, 2015 16:57:57 GMT
I think changing the 25 in any way will just cause a high trouble, best to leave the route as it is
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Post by snowman on Mar 7, 2015 7:38:51 GMT
The T32 contract ends in under 4 weeks time on 3rd April. Presumably unless a temporary extension is granted and paid for, nothing runs on that route after that date.
The other Addington routes contracts in tranche 474 finish in May. This was the tender tranch that was delayed as the area was up for consultation.
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Post by sam1212 on Mar 7, 2015 18:04:29 GMT
The T32 contract ends in under 4 weeks time on 3rd April. Presumably unless a temporary extension is granted and paid for, nothing runs on that route after that date. The other Addington routes contracts in tranche 474 finish in May. This was the tender tranch that was delayed as the area was up for consultation. yes we should hopefully be finding out the results from the consultation this month
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 7, 2015 18:46:17 GMT
Well if tfl save the T32 and axe the 13 would be a total joke.
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Post by rmz19 on Mar 7, 2015 23:10:18 GMT
Regarding Crossrail, if all of the rumoured bus cuts and withdrawals were to go ahead, they won't be justified by the introduction of Crossrail at all TBH. Crossrail will only have 5 stops within Central London, and what about in between? the bus routes will be there to fill in the gaps.
E.g. withdrawing the 23 from Liverpool Street to Aldwych would deem the route useless, there would be a lost link between The City and The West End and therefore should remain as it is, perhaps curtail the 23 at Bank to improve its reliability a bit.
The 7 shouldn't have been withdrawn from Russell Square in the first place, let alone withdrawn completely. If anything, now that the 7 terminates at OC it could be extended westbound.
Both the 6 and 94 should be untouched, although I always thought the 6 could be extended to Blackfriars.
Regarding the rumoured Oxford Street bus ban, an alternative to this would be to close off the intersecting roads of James Street/Duke Street/Berwick Steet/Poland Place and remove the traffic lights on these junctions. Taxi stands should be limited too and those hideous Cycle Taxi things should be removed. This would enable smoother bus traffic flow and ease congestion.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 7, 2015 23:26:15 GMT
Regarding Crossrail, if all of the rumoured bus cuts and withdrawals were to go ahead, they won't be justified by the introduction of Crossrail at all TBH. Crossrail will only have 5 stops within Central London, and what about in between? the bus routes will be there to fill in the gaps. E.g. withdrawing the 23 from Liverpool Street to Aldwych would deem the route useless, there would be a lost link between The City and The West End and therefore should remain as it is, perhaps curtail the 23 at Bank to improve its reliability a bit. The 7 shouldn't have been withdrawn from Russell Square in the first place, let alone withdrawn completely. If anything, now that the 7 terminates at OC it could be extended westbound. Both the 6 and 94 should be untouched, although I always thought the 6 could be extended to Blackfriars. Regarding the rumoured Oxford Street bus ban, an alternative to this would be to close off the intersecting roads of James Street/Duke Street/Berwick Steet/Poland Place and remove the traffic lights on these junctions. Taxi stands should be limited too and those hideous Cycle Taxi things should be removed. This would enable smoother bus traffic flow and ease congestion. Don't worry - after the next 2 years of never ending roadworks in Central London there will be no one using the buses so TfL can scrap them altogether in Zone 1. Coping with Crossrail means no buses to Paddington every again because everyone will, of course, use Crossrail. And of course having two stations on Oxford St means you don't need buses there either. Hey Presto lay down the paving stones. The subtext to the future is in the TfL Business Plan - the extra money for the bus network will not be spent in Zone 1 suggesting that bit of the network is no longer the priority once hybrid buses run everywhere in that area to deal with the air quality concerns. The money will go to Inner and Outer London not the Central area. 54 weeks of roadworks at St George's Circus start soon for the N-S Cycle Superhighway. Work at Elephant and Castle starts not long afterwards. You can wave goodbye to reliable buses in inner South London for the next 18-24 months. What's bizarre is that no one seems to have noticed what is coming and TfL don't seem to care very much given the way they'll happily slash and cut routes just to "cope" with road works. At some point passengers will notice and then there will be an enormous reaction against what is going on.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 8, 2015 1:02:34 GMT
Regarding Crossrail, if all of the rumoured bus cuts and withdrawals were to go ahead, they won't be justified by the introduction of Crossrail at all TBH. Crossrail will only have 5 stops within Central London, and what about in between? the bus routes will be there to fill in the gaps. E.g. withdrawing the 23 from Liverpool Street to Aldwych would deem the route useless, there would be a lost link between The City and The West End and therefore should remain as it is, perhaps curtail the 23 at Bank to improve its reliability a bit. The 7 shouldn't have been withdrawn from Russell Square in the first place, let alone withdrawn completely. If anything, now that the 7 terminates at OC it could be extended westbound. Both the 6 and 94 should be untouched, although I always thought the 6 could be extended to Blackfriars. Regarding the rumoured Oxford Street bus ban, an alternative to this would be to close off the intersecting roads of James Street/Duke Street/Berwick Steet/Poland Place and remove the traffic lights on these junctions. Taxi stands should be limited too and those hideous Cycle Taxi things should be removed. This would enable smoother bus traffic flow and ease congestion. Don't worry - after the next 2 years of never ending roadworks in Central London there will be no one using the buses so TfL can scrap them altogether in Zone 1. Coping with Crossrail means no buses to Paddington every again because everyone will, of course, use Crossrail. And of course having two stations on Oxford St means you don't need buses there either. Hey Presto lay down the paving stones. The subtext to the future is in the TfL Business Plan - the extra money for the bus network will not be spent in Zone 1 suggesting that bit of the network is no longer the priority once hybrid buses run everywhere in that area to deal with the air quality concerns. The money will go to Inner and Outer London not the Central area. 54 weeks of roadworks at St George's Circus start soon for the N-S Cycle Superhighway. Work at Elephant and Castle starts not long afterwards. You can wave goodbye to reliable buses in inner South London for the next 18-24 months. What's bizarre is that no one seems to have noticed what is coming and TfL don't seem to care very much given the way they'll happily slash and cut routes just to "cope" with road works. At some point passengers will notice and then there will be an enormous reaction against what is going on. Parts of South London are already screwed right now (I'm looking at you Mr. Lewisham) so god help it when Stockwell, Elephant, Vauxhall & Wandsworth road networks begin being destroyed. Go-Ahead may as well keep some elderly PVL's on standby for the 37 when the Wandsworth works starts as that route will otherwise collapse into a mess.
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 8, 2015 17:52:54 GMT
Parts of South London are already screwed right now (I'm looking at you Mr. Lewisham) so god help it when Stockwell, Elephant, Vauxhall & Wandsworth road networks begin being destroyed. Go-Ahead may as well keep some elderly PVL's on standby for the 37 when the Wandsworth works starts as that route will otherwise collapse into a mess. People over on the East Dulwich Forum regularly complain about gaps in the service as it is.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 8, 2015 22:17:09 GMT
Parts of South London are already screwed right now (I'm looking at you Mr. Lewisham) so god help it when Stockwell, Elephant, Vauxhall & Wandsworth road networks begin being destroyed. Go-Ahead may as well keep some elderly PVL's on standby for the 37 when the Wandsworth works starts as that route will otherwise collapse into a mess. People over on the East Dulwich Forum regularly complain about gaps in the service as it is. They've got a massive point too - if I can't make my mates in Streatham (I go with him in his car) then I rely on the 37 getting me to Cineworld in Wandsworth to meet him there and in the evening, gaps are all too regular.
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Post by Nathan on Mar 12, 2015 14:37:55 GMT
Some more upcoming changes, according to londonbusroutes.net:
- Route 12 - New bus for London double deckers introduced. (120315) - Mar 2015 - Route 16 - New E40H/Enviro400 MMC hybrid double deckers introduced. (Ordered against route 332 contract) (120315) - Mar 2015
- Route 432 - Contract awarded to London General with 9 double deckers from Stockwell garage, plus one bus from route 468 at Camberwell garage in PM peak. (120315) - 4 Apr 15
Doesn't anyone find it a bit strange that TfL hasn't officially announced the Route 12 conversion to LT operation? Sure, it's pretty obvious to us forum members that it's going to happen, but I find it hard to believe it will happen this month without any official word on it.
So it appears the MMCs ordered by Metroline will be going to the 16 as opposed to the 332 as I (and probably others) assumed. So it looks like the 332 will actually receive existing hybrids as per contract renewal.
Oh, and I stated the Route 432 change down anyway in case people aren't aware it will be running from SW as opposed to Q.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 12, 2015 15:25:31 GMT
Doesn't anyone find it a bit strange that TfL hasn't officially announced the Route 12 conversion to LT operation? Sure, it's pretty obvious to us forum members that it's going to happen, but I find it hard to believe it will happen this month without any official word on it. It could be that they haven't finalized a date yet. Also i believe it will be a phased conversion.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 12, 2015 15:45:21 GMT
Doesn't anyone find it a bit strange that TfL hasn't officially announced the Route 12 conversion to LT operation? Sure, it's pretty obvious to us forum members that it's going to happen, but I find it hard to believe it will happen this month without any official word on it. It could be that they haven't finalized a date yet. Also i believe it will be a phased conversion. It is in the Q3 Investment Report which was published last week. Says deployment by end of March which I suspect is a tad optimistic given it also says route 15 converted by end of Feb 2015. I expect there will be a press release when the first couple of buses have turned up at Camberwell.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 12, 2015 19:43:49 GMT
Some more upcoming changes, according to londonbusroutes.net: - Route 12 - New bus for London double deckers introduced. (120315) - Mar 2015 - Route 16 - New E40H/Enviro400 MMC hybrid double deckers introduced. (Ordered against route 332 contract) (120315) - Mar 2015 - Route 432 - Contract awarded to London General with 9 double deckers from Stockwell garage, plus one bus from route 468 at Camberwell garage in PM peak. (120315) - 4 Apr 15 Doesn't anyone find it a bit strange that TfL hasn't officially announced the Route 12 conversion to LT operation? Sure, it's pretty obvious to us forum members that it's going to happen, but I find it hard to believe it will happen this month without any official word on it. So it appears the MMCs ordered by Metroline will be going to the 16 as opposed to the 332 as I (and probably others) assumed. So it looks like the 332 will actually receive existing hybrids as per contract renewal. Oh, and I stated the Route 432 change down anyway in case people aren't aware it will be running from SW as opposed to Q. Regarding the 12, I'm going to Guess the 28th March
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