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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 20, 2024 14:19:22 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins Nice to see the 103 & 175 evenings go to every 15 minutes, I often find them to be quite busy past 9pm. I don’t know why the Sunday frequencies have remained so low for so long on such important routes, presumably Sunday shopping in Romford must generate good demand? |
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Post by mondraker275 on Sept 20, 2024 14:45:22 GMT
Nice to see the 103 & 175 evenings go to every 15 minutes, I often find them to be quite busy past 9pm. I don’t know why the Sunday frequencies have remained so low for so long on such important routes, presumably Sunday shopping in Romford must generate good demand? Add the 66, so Collier Row area is going to see a good overall increase. I dont quite like the simultaneous increase of similar routes e.g. 253/254 recently. 10 should have been enough. The weekend usage has returned to around pre-covid levels and hence the increase in many routes. There are some still odd ones and the focus should probably be routes that are frequent during the weekday but then are 20+ on Sundays. I believe the 47 is one which surprised me as I assumed it was just running late when I was waiting for it without really bothering to check the timetable. 128/150 is another which I think are timetabled to provide a 10 minute overlapping service but just end up together all the time. Also when some trains dont start early on a Sunday, people need a frequent alternative e.g. 123s are packed on Sunday mornings from Ilford as the Suffragette Line* does not start until 8/9. Fortunately SL2 helps out. *get use to it people  |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 20, 2024 20:49:48 GMT
I don’t know why the Sunday frequencies have remained so low for so long on such important routes, presumably Sunday shopping in Romford must generate good demand? Add the 66, so Collier Row area is going to see a good overall increase. I dont quite like the simultaneous increase of similar routes e.g. 253/254 recently. 10 should have been enough. The weekend usage has returned to around pre-covid levels and hence the increase in many routes. There are some still odd ones and the focus should probably be routes that are frequent during the weekday but then are 20+ on Sundays. I believe the 47 is one which surprised me as I assumed it was just running late when I was waiting for it without really bothering to check the timetable. 128/150 is another which I think are timetabled to provide a 10 minute overlapping service but just end up together all the time. Also when some trains dont start early on a Sunday, people need a frequent alternative e.g. 123s are packed on Sunday mornings from Ilford as the Suffragette Line* does not start until 8/9. Fortunately SL2 helps out. *get use to it people Where do people need to go at the crack of dawn on Sunday mornings though?😧 |
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Post by adl on Sept 20, 2024 20:52:23 GMT
Nice to see the 103 & 175 evenings go to every 15 minutes, I often find them to be quite busy past 9pm. I don’t know why the Sunday frequencies have remained so low for so long on such important routes, presumably Sunday shopping in Romford must generate good demand? Yes, Sunday shoppers do love their Sunday shopping in Romford, the 174 is another one on a Sunday at around midday that can be absolutely rammed., the 165 & 193 also generate quite busy periods between Hornchurch Town Centre and Romford Station but the Elm Park end of the 165 is relatively quiet on a Sunday. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 20, 2024 22:01:18 GMT
I don’t know why the Sunday frequencies have remained so low for so long on such important routes, presumably Sunday shopping in Romford must generate good demand? Yes, Sunday shoppers do love their Sunday shopping in Romford, the 174 is another one on a Sunday at around midday that can be absolutely rammed., the 165 & 193 also generate quite busy periods between Hornchurch Town Centre and Romford Station but the Elm Park end of the 165 is relatively quiet on a Sunday. Interesting. Would the 294 be particularly busy on a Sunday? |
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Post by Leccy86Hybrid on Sept 21, 2024 6:35:00 GMT
Yes, Sunday shoppers do love their Sunday shopping in Romford, the 174 is another one on a Sunday at around midday that can be absolutely rammed., the 165 & 193 also generate quite busy periods between Hornchurch Town Centre and Romford Station but the Elm Park end of the 165 is relatively quiet on a Sunday. Interesting. Would the 294 be particularly busy on a Sunday? Not really, Mon - Sat is when the route is at it’s busiest 👍 |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 21, 2024 7:51:28 GMT
Add the 66, so Collier Row area is going to see a good overall increase. I dont quite like the simultaneous increase of similar routes e.g. 253/254 recently. 10 should have been enough. The weekend usage has returned to around pre-covid levels and hence the increase in many routes. There are some still odd ones and the focus should probably be routes that are frequent during the weekday but then are 20+ on Sundays. I believe the 47 is one which surprised me as I assumed it was just running late when I was waiting for it without really bothering to check the timetable. 128/150 is another which I think are timetabled to provide a 10 minute overlapping service but just end up together all the time. Also when some trains dont start early on a Sunday, people need a frequent alternative e.g. 123s are packed on Sunday mornings from Ilford as the Suffragette Line* does not start until 8/9. Fortunately SL2 helps out. *get use to it people Where do people need to go at the crack of dawn on Sunday mornings though?😧 There are lots of health and social care workers that need buses on a Sunday morning, as well as other jobs where people work on a Sunday (not least, all those bus drivers!). Plus some people do need or like to be up and about on a Sunday morning. TfL has a social obligation so buses do not need to be bursting at the seams to be justified. TfL runs buses for people who like to stay out all night, so why not a decent service for people who need or want to be about on a Sunday morning? |
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Post by aaron1 on Sept 21, 2024 8:19:28 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins It nice routes are getting more busses but on weekdays routes need to be every 5 minutes like they use to be |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 21, 2024 9:02:30 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins It nice routes are getting more busses but on weekdays routes need to be every 5 minutes like they use to be What routes were every 5 mins? Many that were now cope perfectly alright running less frequently. |
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Post by DE20106 on Sept 21, 2024 9:08:23 GMT
Where do people need to go at the crack of dawn on Sunday mornings though?😧 There are lots of health and social care workers that need buses on a Sunday morning, as well as other jobs where people work on a Sunday (not least, all those bus drivers!). Plus some people do need or like to be up and about on a Sunday morning. TfL has a social obligation so buses do not need to be bursting at the seams to be justified. TfL runs buses for people who like to stay out all night, so why not a decent service for people who need or want to be about on a Sunday morning? Oh yeah definitely I know there are people about like key workers and night shift workers, but wouldn’t have thought it’d be enough to pack out the 123! I have walked along a road in Wood Green on a Sunday morning (about 8:30am) and the W3 and 144 came along also packed, I just remember thinking where would that many people need to go at that time of the morning!😂 |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 21, 2024 10:57:22 GMT
LOTS TLB reports further forthcoming off peak frequency increases in late Sept and October: 4 - all late evenings x20mins to x12mins, early Sat AM x20mins to x15mins 103 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 175 - Sun daytime and all evenings x20mins to x15mins 201 - early and late journeys daily x30mins to x20mins 411 - early and late journeys daily x60mins to x30mins U4 - Sun daytime x15mins to x12mins, all evenings x20mins to x15mins It nice routes are getting more busses but on weekdays routes need to be every 5 minutes like they use to be I can't think of many routes that ran / run every 5 minutes unless you go way back, The most recent examples of high frequency routes were those like the 38 and 73 but they have been dramatically cut back.
There is so much traffic now that buses running at such a high frequency would just end up bunching,
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 21, 2024 11:03:14 GMT
It nice routes are getting more busses but on weekdays routes need to be every 5 minutes like they use to be I can't think of many routes that ran / run every 5 minutes unless you go way back, The most recent examples of high frequency routes were those like the 38 and 73 but they have been dramatically cut back.
There is so much traffic now that buses running at such a high frequency would just end up bunching,
There are some every 5 minute bus routes still knocking around, you have the 18, EL1, W7, 38 etc and if you make it every 6 you get even more like the 158, 86, 109, 29 etc. |
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Post by aaron1 on Sept 21, 2024 14:20:51 GMT
It nice routes are getting more busses but on weekdays routes need to be every 5 minutes like they use to be What routes were every 5 mins? Many that were now cope perfectly alright running less frequently. Well the 16 before it got withdrawn from Victoria and 32 almost there like ever 8 to 10 minutes and they are packed |
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Post by gwiwer on Sept 22, 2024 16:52:57 GMT
And more which run at close headways some of the time such as the 33 peak-time 4-minute headway. Granted that could be 6 minutes if 'deckers were restored to the route but that seems to be in the hands of the Castelnau NIMBY brigade rather than getting Hammersmith Bridge open again.
On the way to markets, clean shops and offices (yes even on a Sunday) and many health-care and other public service workers. Including bus, rail and tube staff on their way to get the day's service going. A fair number of routes are remarkably busy at that hour on a Sunday and that's before we factor in those who have been out all night and might be on their way home. Either from work or entertainment. London is a 24/7 city and public transport needs to respond to that.
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 22, 2024 21:22:55 GMT
And more which run at close headways some of the time such as the 33 peak-time 4-minute headway. Granted that could be 6 minutes if 'deckers were restored to the route but that seems to be in the hands of the Castelnau NIMBY brigade rather than getting Hammersmith Bridge open again. On the way to markets, clean shops and offices (yes even on a Sunday) and many health-care and other public service workers. Including bus, rail and tube staff on their way to get the day's service going. A fair number of routes are remarkably busy at that hour on a Sunday and that's before we factor in those who have been out all night and might be on their way home. Either from work or entertainment. London is a 24/7 city and public transport needs to respond to that. Some of the heaviest loadings occur during the early morning when demand from shift workers is highly peaked and frequencies are low, according to the route by route data released by TfL. In particular some routes into the wider Heathrow Airport area and in NW London were assessed to have 80-100% loadings over an hourly period. |
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