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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 21, 2024 13:07:48 GMT
The 152 converted to midibus from dd, and then to low floor sd. IIRC the 232 went from dd to low-floor sd and remains so. Although the 232 was running every 20 mins IIRC and I can never recall those Metrobuses on it bursting with people, even during school time. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 21, 2024 14:00:44 GMT
IIRC the 232 went from dd to low-floor sd and remains so. Although the 232 was running every 20 mins IIRC and I can never recall those Metrobuses on it bursting with people, even during school time. That was in the 90's, at a time when bus usage wasn't anywhere near the levels of today. Some of my local routes, which were decker operated back then and remain so, were not heavily used during that period - 118 being a good example and probably why it did have a single deck evening and Sunday allocation at one point during this period. |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 21, 2024 16:43:57 GMT
More then a few. Was 24 years ago now when bus usgeage was lower. The usage of the 257 was not low. The 257 covered the 108 from Leytonstone Green Man to Stratford as well as the 262 that did its route before it. The only reason why it went single deck was TfL being cheap at the time due to the route going low floor buses. A few double deck routes were treated like this gaining single deckers and on paper the maths on pax numbers were about right. But in reality dwell times at stops being longer then led to the buses being overloaded then after having to skip stops. The 257 was as busy as routes like the 69 and 97 then, so was a mad decision. The 212 was another one of those routes that was given this treatment, although the 212 was not as busy as the 257. The 104 and 238 also suffered the same treatment in the early 00s. |
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Post by lonmark on Aug 21, 2024 18:12:03 GMT
Route 161 had Minibus and Single Deck buses under Selkent, Kentish bus, then Metrobus during the evening and All day Sunday in around 90's time.
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Post by aaron1 on Aug 21, 2024 19:09:44 GMT
Both 32 189 have single decker dart pointer before the been replace by tridents 1
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Post by gwiwer on Aug 21, 2024 21:46:07 GMT
Bit of an outlier, this.
One of those delightfully rural routes which seemed to have little purpose in life has been the Ranmore Common - Dorking service. At one stage part of the 412 and for a time using the number 425 it has latterly been the 533 in the Surrey tendered series.
Ranmore Common is a remote spot. The route passes no homes once clear of Dorking and within walking distance of very few. The turn-round requires (still, to this day) a reverse-around-a-corner move then back a further 50 metres to the stop itself, which still retains its flag, standing clear of the junction. From a slightly tricky bend on the main Ranmore Common Road into the narrow "Dog Kennel Lane" as named in timetables. Its correct name is High Barn Road but as it leads to Dog Kennel Green some half a mile away it is known locally as Dog Kennel Lane. The turnaround can only be described as tight and somewhat hazardous; Dog Kennel Lane is quiet but Ranmore Common Road is not always so.
The route has been a remarkable survivor from LT Country Area days but runs for the very last time next Tuesday, 27th August. Having once been served multiple times each day it has been a weekly shopper service for some years now. There will be a replacement in the form of a pre-bookable demand-responsive minibus operating under the Surrey Connect banner.
Last bus to Ranmore Common, anyone? It's been a remarkably long time coming.
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Post by abellion on Aug 22, 2024 6:57:46 GMT
Bit of an outlier, this. One of those delightfully rural routes which seemed to have little purpose in life has been the Ranmore Common - Dorking service. At one stage part of the 412 and for a time using the number 425 it has latterly been the 533 in the Surrey tendered series. Ranmore Common is a remote spot. The route passes no homes once clear of Dorking and within walking distance of very few. The turn-round requires (still, to this day) a reverse-around-a-corner move then back a further 50 metres to the stop itself, which still retains its flag, standing clear of the junction. From a slightly tricky bend on the main Ranmore Common Road into the narrow "Dog Kennel Lane" as named in timetables. Its correct name is High Barn Road but as it leads to Dog Kennel Green some half a mile away it is known locally as Dog Kennel Lane. The turnaround can only be described as tight and somewhat hazardous; Dog Kennel Lane is quiet but Ranmore Common Road is not always so. The route has been a remarkable survivor from LT Country Area days but runs for the very last time next Tuesday, 27th August. Having once been served multiple times each day it has been a weekly shopper service for some years now. There will be a replacement in the form of a pre-bookable demand-responsive minibus operating under the Surrey Connect banner. Last bus to Ranmore Common, anyone? It's been a remarkably long time coming. The timetable on Bustimes says that the first bus to Ranmore gets there at 10:24 and then there’s immediately a bus at 10:25 back, and if that is missed you have to wait 2 hours. Not much time or an awful lot of time to explore  I’ve heard the Metrobus 420 from Sutton, Bushey Road is getting sent to Crawley and Gatwick 7 days a week over Whitebushes later this month so London will have a regular bus link to Gatwick Airport now as opposed to just a single 420 trip, I wonder when that was last possible and I’m guessing someone on here will lnow about that |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 22, 2024 7:47:48 GMT
Bit of an outlier, this. One of those delightfully rural routes which seemed to have little purpose in life has been the Ranmore Common - Dorking service. At one stage part of the 412 and for a time using the number 425 it has latterly been the 533 in the Surrey tendered series. Ranmore Common is a remote spot. The route passes no homes once clear of Dorking and within walking distance of very few. The turn-round requires (still, to this day) a reverse-around-a-corner move then back a further 50 metres to the stop itself, which still retains its flag, standing clear of the junction. From a slightly tricky bend on the main Ranmore Common Road into the narrow "Dog Kennel Lane" as named in timetables. Its correct name is High Barn Road but as it leads to Dog Kennel Green some half a mile away it is known locally as Dog Kennel Lane. The turnaround can only be described as tight and somewhat hazardous; Dog Kennel Lane is quiet but Ranmore Common Road is not always so. The route has been a remarkable survivor from LT Country Area days but runs for the very last time next Tuesday, 27th August. Having once been served multiple times each day it has been a weekly shopper service for some years now. There will be a replacement in the form of a pre-bookable demand-responsive minibus operating under the Surrey Connect banner. Last bus to Ranmore Common, anyone? It's been a remarkably long time coming. The timetable on Bustimes says that the first bus to Ranmore gets there at 10:24 and then there’s immediately a bus at 10:25 back, and if that is missed you have to wait 2 hours. Not much time or an awful lot of time to explore I’ve heard the Metrobus 420 from Sutton, Bushey Road is getting sent to Crawley and Gatwick 7 days a week over Whitebushes later this month so London will have a regular bus link to Gatwick Airport now as opposed to just a single 420 trip, I wonder when that was last possible and I’m guessing someone on here will lnow about that From memory the 405 was withdrawn between Redhill and Crawley in 2000. The 420 was reduced to evenings only (every 2 hours I think) in 1999 on a SCC contract to London General, with the daytime service from Raynes Park to Redhill. It was then restructed to become Sutton to Crawley again but not sure how long for as by the time the Metrobus contract kicked in (2001 I believe) it was back to Sutton to Redhill and up to Merstham. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 30, 2024 12:32:33 GMT
The following changes will take place from Saturday 14 September.
A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 39 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 8-9 minutes during the AM & PM peaks on Monday to Fridays, to every 9 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change during the evenings. This is to help aid reliability during the Hammersmith Bridge closure and increase in traffic in the Putney area.
A new timetable will be introduced on route 174 with changes to late evening journeys towards Harold Hill from Dagenham CEME on all days of the week. There will be a later journey from Dagenham CEME leaving at 0108 and passing Dagenham Heathway station at 0118 providing a later connection with District line arrivals from Central London and at Romford Station at 0131 to provide a connection with the last Elizabeth line train from Liverpool Street. The later journey also closes the gap between the last 174 and first N86 buses from 50 to 30 minutes between Romford Station and Harold Hill. No change to times of buses from Harold Hill towards Dagenham CEME.
24 hour route 222 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. The frequency will be increased during the early morning on all days of the week. On Monday to Fridays buses will be increased to every 15 minutes between 0430 and 0630, on Saturdays between 0430 and 0730 and on Sundays between 0430 and 0930. No change to the frequency at any other time.
Route 284 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times.
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 30, 2024 12:34:34 GMT
The following changes will take place from Saturday 21 September.
Route 160 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times.
Route 207 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with journey times revised to better reflect current traffic levels.
Route 210 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. The early morning frequency will also increase to every 12 minutes on Monday to Fridays from first bus until 0700 and on Saturdays and Sundays from first bus until 0900. The times of first buses will also change on Sundays with first buses retimed to depart at the same time as on Monday to Saturdays, 0440 from Brent Cross Shopping Centre and 0520 from Finsbury Park Station.
Route W9 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. Route W9 will be operated by Metroline from this date.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 30, 2024 15:21:56 GMT
The following changes will take place from Saturday 14 September. A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 39 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 8-9 minutes during the AM & PM peaks on Monday to Fridays, to every 9 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change during the evenings. This is to help aid reliability during the Hammersmith Bridge closure and increase in traffic in the Putney area. A new timetable will be introduced on route 174 with changes to late evening journeys towards Harold Hill from Dagenham CEME on all days of the week. There will be a later journey from Dagenham CEME leaving at 0108 and passing Dagenham Heathway station at 0118 providing a later connection with District line arrivals from Central London and at Romford Station at 0131 to provide a connection with the last Elizabeth line train from Liverpool Street. The later journey also closes the gap between the last 174 and first N86 buses from 50 to 30 minutes between Romford Station and Harold Hill. No change to times of buses from Harold Hill towards Dagenham CEME. 24 hour route 222 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. The frequency will be increased during the early morning on all days of the week. On Monday to Fridays buses will be increased to every 15 minutes between 0430 and 0630, on Saturdays between 0430 and 0730 and on Sundays between 0430 and 0930. No change to the frequency at any other time. Route 284 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. If TfL had any tact they'd publicise the changes to the 174 given the useful connections from the last train rather than hide it on an obscure page (for most passengers) on their website! I assume there's nothing about this at stops?
Always has struck me how unwilling TfL is to publicise improvements (barring the Superloop), probably a lack of political incentive unlike Superloop but you'd think 1. the mayor would like to get word of the various frequency improvements rolled out lately out there (poor tact there) and 2. even disregarding this, TfL, should learn to promote its improvements independent of any political pressure (commercial networks know how to!).
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Post by abellion on Aug 30, 2024 15:33:00 GMT
The following changes will take place from Saturday 14 September. A temporary timetable will be introduced on route 39 which will widen the frequency of the service to a bus every 8-9 minutes during the AM & PM peaks on Monday to Fridays, to every 9 minutes during the daytime on Monday to Saturdays and to every 13 minutes during the daytime on Sundays. No change during the evenings. This is to help aid reliability during the Hammersmith Bridge closure and increase in traffic in the Putney area. A new timetable will be introduced on route 174 with changes to late evening journeys towards Harold Hill from Dagenham CEME on all days of the week. There will be a later journey from Dagenham CEME leaving at 0108 and passing Dagenham Heathway station at 0118 providing a later connection with District line arrivals from Central London and at Romford Station at 0131 to provide a connection with the last Elizabeth line train from Liverpool Street. The later journey also closes the gap between the last 174 and first N86 buses from 50 to 30 minutes between Romford Station and Harold Hill. No change to times of buses from Harold Hill towards Dagenham CEME. 24 hour route 222 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. The frequency will be increased during the early morning on all days of the week. On Monday to Fridays buses will be increased to every 15 minutes between 0430 and 0630, on Saturdays between 0430 and 0730 and on Sundays between 0430 and 0930. No change to the frequency at any other time. Route 284 will have a new timetable on all days of the week with minor changes to times. If TfL had any tact they'd publicise the changes to the 174 given the useful connections from the last train rather than hide it on an obscure page (for most passengers) on their website! I assume there's nothing about this at stops?
Always has struck me how unwilling TfL is to publicise improvements (barring the Superloop), probably a lack of political incentive unlike Superloop but you'd think 1. the mayor would like to get word of the various frequency improvements rolled out lately out there (poor tact there) and 2. even disregarding this, TfL, should learn to promote its improvements independent of any political pressure (commercial networks know how to!).
On the contrary, I’ve noticed a few bus stops showing improvements which are occurring on August 31st. For example the 66 has some frequency increases, and the first bus on Sunday from Leytonstone will be around 5am as opposed to 7am which are some pretty big upgrades, and they were being advertised |
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Post by evergreenadam on Aug 30, 2024 16:25:53 GMT
If TfL had any tact they'd publicise the changes to the 174 given the useful connections from the last train rather than hide it on an obscure page (for most passengers) on their website! I assume there's nothing about this at stops?
Always has struck me how unwilling TfL is to publicise improvements (barring the Superloop), probably a lack of political incentive unlike Superloop but you'd think 1. the mayor would like to get word of the various frequency improvements rolled out lately out there (poor tact there) and 2. even disregarding this, TfL, should learn to promote its improvements independent of any political pressure (commercial networks know how to!).
On the contrary, I’ve noticed a few bus stops showing improvements which are occurring on August 31st. For example the 66 has some frequency increases, and the first bus on Sunday from Leytonstone will be around 5am as opposed to 7am which are some pretty big upgrades, and they were being advertised Similarly the frequency increases and earlier first buses on the 440 were advertised on bus stops. Oyster card data is also used to send targeted emails to regular users of the affected route. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 30, 2024 16:54:30 GMT
And a lower perception of buses back then. The thinking was rightly or wrongly that the new low floor SDs would seem more attractive to passengers. It was a very controversial move. I know I've mentioned a few routes in the past that was a big mistake for them to do it to I.e the 257, 238, 104, 212 and 295 in particular. The 295 one was unforgivable in my eyes. Worse still that the 295 were single doored buses, as the 345 initially was also when converted from Titans to LDPs |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 30, 2024 17:10:34 GMT
Although the 232 was running every 20 mins IIRC and I can never recall those Metrobuses on it bursting with people, even during school time. That was in the 90's, at a time when bus usage wasn't anywhere near the levels of today. Some of my local routes, which were decker operated back then and remain so, were not heavily used during that period - 118 being a good example and probably why it did have a single deck evening and Sunday allocation at one point during this period. The 118's evening/Sunday conversion was done in conjunction with the 137 or 159 converting to OPO, the latter which seems to be the primary reason on all those changes |
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