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Post by Danny on Oct 21, 2014 21:46:25 GMT
Out of interest when is the 359 up for tender? The current contract ends in March 2016 if it doesn't get an extension. |
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Post by Paul on Oct 21, 2014 22:08:15 GMT
Arriva is going to lose T31 and what happened to bus drivers? I think route 353 should have evenings and sunday increase with mins freq from 30 mins to 20 mins. Fed up with waiting for either 314 or 353 when both few mins gap then long mins gap when run in evening and All day Sunday too! About time for route 353 to get free travel to get on tram. It look like Addington Villages and New Addingtons will get more bus stand space but Vulcan Way Stand area gain more there. I past that area other day and i note that it have large space can be good for buses to stand there. Not sure how busy cars park there at Peaks time? When the T31 began operating in 2000, it terminated at Vulcan Way and I believe the bus stand remained in place after the terminus was changed though I can't see it on Google Maps currently There are two bus stands that hold two buses each up on Vulcan Way. We use them on the 664 in the morning if we get up to New Addington a little early. I guess, under these proposals we could just wait up at the Milne Park stand since we won't be stopping T31s from using it! |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 21, 2014 22:21:59 GMT
With the 64 change Homestead way, king Henry's drive and Vulcan way would regain direct services to croydon every 7-8 mins so I can see that proving popular. My only doubt will be that people are not happy with the drop in freq to Forestdale.
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Post by Steve80 on Oct 21, 2014 22:28:59 GMT
Interesting proposals. The 64 will now take on new areas of New Addington. Its funny that when the trams was created they dismantled the 130 route so the tram could take the bulk of the passengers from there to Croydon. that's what I believed anyway. Now that a route serving many of the residential areas of New Addington going into Croydon, I wonder if many would still use the trams? A bit disappointed to read that frequency of the 64 will only be enhanced slightly from every 8 minutes to every 7-8 minutes  I was hoping more buses on the 64 would mean less work when im on the T33 from East Croydon  I'm also a bit worried about the frequency reductions in the area. Obviously, the new links are beneficial but the T31 runs every 8 minutes and now that is to be scrapped altogether along with the T32 with only a slight frequency bump on the 64 and 130. I don't know much about the New Addington area but I do see a fair amount of passengers boarding onto those buses at Addington Village Interchange. You would also see about 30 odd passengers at that stop especially if the Trams are not working. I guess if the 359 was extended to Purley then it would take up the 412 stand and go around Purley Tesco before heading towards Purley Downs Road. EDT Oh yes, it won't be the T33 but now the 433. Not too keen on the route anyway  A bit of a shame for passengers trying to get to Courtwood Lane as they would have to put up with a much less 353 service, or jump on the 433. Whatever happens on the 353 I know that they have to put more buses on in the evenings as I believe they only get 2-3 minute standtime on each end. |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2014 9:23:29 GMT
Yes I can't see anything wrong with those ideas at all. I'd go a step further and extend the 353 back to Croydon in place of the 466 and add a double run to the 433 via Courtwood Lane replacing that part of the T31. Great minds think alike - the only difference between your idea and my idea is I'd leave the 466 as it is and extend the 353 to Croydon via Lloyd Park & Park Hill. Yes that would be even better, faster journey to Croydon even quicker than the tram. I think it was outragous that the Orpington to Croydon link was ever severed. As for the 466 I think it could be curtailed at Addiscombe Road/Shirley Road or rerouted to Shirley Inn without causing any great hardship, the 130 is more than adequate for the Shirley Hills section although it would leave a few lightly used stops without a direct link to Croydon. |
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Post by jay38a on Oct 22, 2014 9:27:24 GMT
Arriva is going to lose T31 and what happened to bus drivers? I think route 353 should have evenings and sunday increase with mins freq from 30 mins to 20 mins. Fed up with waiting for either 314 or 353 when both few mins gap then long mins gap when run in evening and All day Sunday too! About time for route 353 to get free travel to get on tram. It look like Addington Villages and New Addingtons will get more bus stand space but Vulcan Way Stand area gain more there. I past that area other day and i note that it have large space can be good for buses to stand there. Not sure how busy cars park there at Peaks time? When the T31 began operating in 2000, it terminated at Vulcan Way and I believe the bus stand remained in place after the terminus was changed though I can't see it on Google Maps currently Heres one stand: goo.gl/maps/gPc8O and the other goo.gl/maps/s1cZb |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2014 9:27:54 GMT
Very interesting. In the 19 years of living in New Addington, I have never really seen the point of these T routes, sure they are a tram feeder service and offer a bus and tram discount but they were also supposed to be a reliable link between local areas and the tramlink system but there has always been complaints from residents, regarding how the tram will always leave as the bus turns up. Having the 64 running via Goldcrest Way and King Henry's Drive etc. can definitely be beneficial for the area, in terms of providing a direct link between areas such as King Henry's Drive and Headly Drive and Mayday Hospital and John Ruskin College in Selsdon Park Road and the shops in Selsdon high street. I totally agree, the whole feeder routes concept has never really caught on because normally passengers change from bus to rail for a quicker journey but this just doesn't happen as the Tramlink route is not exactly as the crow would fly and the fact is that a direct bus is normally quicker and saves the inconvenience of changing, plus Addington Village isn't the nicest of places to stand around on a cold day. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 22, 2014 9:39:29 GMT
Great minds think alike - the only difference between your idea and my idea is I'd leave the 466 as it is and extend the 353 to Croydon via Lloyd Park & Park Hill. Yes that would be even better, faster journey to Croydon even quicker than the tram. I think it was outragous that the Orpington to Croydon link was ever severed. As for the 466 I think it could be curtailed at Addiscombe Road/Shirley Road or rerouted to Shirley Inn without causing any great hardship, the 130 is more than adequate for the Shirley Hills section although it would leave a few lightly used stops without a direct link to Croydon. Whats wrong with the 466 serving Addington Village? |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2014 10:03:11 GMT
Yes that would be even better, faster journey to Croydon even quicker than the tram. I think it was outragous that the Orpington to Croydon link was ever severed. As for the 466 I think it could be curtailed at Addiscombe Road/Shirley Road or rerouted to Shirley Inn without causing any great hardship, the 130 is more than adequate for the Shirley Hills section although it would leave a few lightly used stops without a direct link to Croydon. Whats wrong with the 466 serving Addington Village? Hardly anybody uses it, it's not uncommon for 466's to arrive empty at Addington Village and leave empty |
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Post by rmz19 on Oct 22, 2014 10:47:32 GMT
Well how about that!....I proposed for the N64 to be withdrawn and the 64 to convert to 24-hour operation not too long ago in the 'Withdrawn/New Route Ideas' thread, and DT 11's proposal of the 353 replacing the T31 to Forestdale, very glad they're actually happening |
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Post by danorak on Oct 22, 2014 12:11:11 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2014 13:22:37 GMT
Whats wrong with the 466 serving Addington Village? Hardly anybody uses it, it's not uncommon for 466's to arrive empty at Addington Village and leave empty I'd have to disagree - I've seen plenty of people board it from Addington Village and plenty alight from there - personally, I'd leave it alone. |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2014 13:29:58 GMT
Hardly anybody uses it, it's not uncommon for 466's to arrive empty at Addington Village and leave empty I'd have to disagree - I've seen plenty of people board it from Addington Village and plenty alight from there - personally, I'd leave it alone. I'd say the 130 was more than adequate on that section, all the more so if it is getting a frequency increase and if Gravel Hill gets the 353 back. |
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Post by sid on Oct 22, 2014 14:15:06 GMT
I had a quick flick through it and I thought the comment that people shouldn't be "forced to use the trams" was very apt. Obviously there was going to be a considerable reduction in the former 130/X30 service but the way the 54 and 353 have been removed from Croydon really is appalling. |
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Post by lonmark on Oct 23, 2014 12:58:44 GMT
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I was hoping more buses on the 64 would mean less work when im on the T33 from East Croydon 
A bit of a shame for passengers trying to get to Courtwood Lane as they would have to put up with a much less 353 service, or jump on the 433. Whatever happens on the 353 I know that they have to put more buses on in the evenings as I believe they only get 2-3 minute standtime on each end. 
