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Post by rmz19 on Dec 7, 2014 18:45:54 GMT
Whitehall > Trafalgar Square
Ramsden Estate > Orpington, Ramsden Estate
Belmarsh > Thamesmead West, Belmarsh
Denmark Hill > North Dulwich
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 7, 2014 18:58:18 GMT
Whitehall > Trafalgar Square Ramsden Estate > Orpington, Ramsden Estate Belmarsh > Thamesmead West, Belmarsh Denmark Hill > North Dulwich Whitehall I disagree. The 53, N2 & N381 do not go to Trafalgar Square the last stop is Horse Guards Parade, so Whitehall, Horse Guards makes Sense |
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Post by thesquirrels on Dec 7, 2014 20:38:16 GMT
In the case of the 172, St. Paul's > St. Bartholomew's Hospital (it stands outside the 'new' main entrance on Little Britain, with set down and pick up stops close by). Question arises of whether it would cause confusion re. interchange possiblities with 46, which would require a walk. I consider this more accurate as the final stop and stand are one stop beyond St. Paul's Station and a full three stops beyond the Cathedral itself.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 7, 2014 21:17:43 GMT
In the case of the 172, St. Paul's > St. Bartholomew's Hospital (it stands outside the 'new' main entrance on Little Britain, with set down and pick up stops close by). Question arises of whether it would cause confusion re. interchange possiblities with 46, which would require a walk. I consider this more accurate as the final stop and stand are one stop beyond St. Paul's Station and a full three stops beyond the Cathedral itself. "172 to St. Paul's" is fine as it is really as that area is pretty much known as St. Paul's and nothing else could be more accurate than that, it is not displayed as 172 to St. Paul's Station neither St. Paul's Catherdral, the last stop is in King Edward Street which is pretty much very close to St. Paul's. St. Paul's Station was the last stop in the past though and King Edward Street is hardly an extension. The First Stop to Brockley Rise is the Museum of London which then returns to St. Paul's. In addition the 46 & 56 stand outside St Bartholomew's Hospital so this makes more sense for these routes to display this. |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 7, 2014 21:44:22 GMT
Whitehall > Trafalgar Square Ramsden Estate > Orpington, Ramsden Estate Denmark Hill > North Dulwich Whitehall, Horseguards is more accurate than Trafalgar Square as most routes that terminate and turn there don't serve Trafalgar Square. I agree with you regarding Ramsden Estate Denmark Hill, Sunray Avenue is accurate as the Denmark Hill area stretches at least right up to Herne Hill Road/Red Post Hill with North Dulwich being much further down by the station. Was the 42 to come from the North Dulwich Station direction, then I'd probably agree with you as it's unlikely then it would serve Denmark Hill in service. |
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Post by VPL630 on Dec 7, 2014 22:40:52 GMT
Brentwood > Brentwood Sainsbury's or Brentwood Town Centre, every bus that runs through Brentwood has a qualifier of High Street or Station, Being pedantic but oh well, on the displays at Brentwood the 498 shows as "Brentwood Town"
76 Waterloo > Waterloo, Baylis Road
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Post by rmz19 on Dec 7, 2014 23:18:09 GMT
343 City Hall > Tower Bridge, City Hall
341 Waterloo > Lambeth North
381 Waterloo > Waterloo, County Hall
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Post by LX09FBJ on Dec 7, 2014 23:29:16 GMT
Clapham Park to Streatham (Hill), Clapham Park given that the same terminus was called Streatham Hill, Atkins Road
Kingston to Kingston Cromwell Road/Fairfield Road/Brook Street. If it shows up on curtailment blinds/iBus on some routes, then why not show them on normal blinds
Hampton Court to Hampton Court Station for R68 and Hampton Court Roundabout for curtailed 111s
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Post by M1199 on Dec 8, 2014 0:13:41 GMT
Coney Green > Hillingdon Hill - I'd guess 85-90% of passengers on the 427/A10 wouldn't have a clue where Coney Green actually is!
Hayes & Harlington > Hayes & Harlington Station - If I didn't live in this area, If I saw this display, I'd assume that the route went to Harlington
Heathrow Airport (On HD's VP/VW's) > Heathrow Central - Heathrow is a big place with at least 3 possible terminus'
Bath Road 'Noble Drive' > Harlington Corner
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Post by COBO on Dec 8, 2014 0:56:54 GMT
Kingston > Kingston Cromwell Road Bus Station
Kingston > Kingston Fairfield Bus Station
Kingston > Kingston Brook Street
Kingston > Kingston Kingston Hall Road
Sudbury Town > Sudbury (for route 92)
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Post by vjaska on Dec 8, 2014 4:14:24 GMT
Clapham Park to Streatham (Hill), Clapham Park given that the same terminus was called Streatham Hill, Atkins Road Kingston to Kingston Cromwell Road/Fairfield Road/Brook Street. If it shows up on curtailment blinds/iBus on some routes, then why not show them on normal blinds Hampton Court to Hampton Court Station for R68 and Hampton Court Roundabout for curtailed 111s Clapham Park and Streatham Hill are two completely different places so to have Streatham Hill, Clapham Park as a destination has the potential to confuse. The 45 & 57's alighting point and stand is situated in the Clapham Park area and it took TfL far too long to change the blind so to recognise this. I agree with the Kingston ones you mentioned. I'd also re blind the 85 & 371 as Kingston, Kingston Hall Road. |
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Post by COBO on Dec 8, 2014 8:05:35 GMT
Ealing Argyle Road > Scotch Common
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 8, 2014 9:15:50 GMT
Kingston > Kingston Cromwell Road Bus StationKingston > Kingston Fairfield Bus StationKingston > Kingston Brook StreetKingston > Kingston Kingston Hall Road Sudbury Town > Sudbury (for route 92) Whilst I partly agree with this I disagree, the whole of Kingston is an annoying one way system and Imo all the blinds displaying one simple thing is better than having 4 different displays to confuse people. Brook Street of all places does not need to be identified as it is in the Town Centre... So 65 to Kingston is right, Fairfield Bus Station is just by the Town Centre and all buses to Cromwell Road serve the Town Centre. "Kingston" or even "Kingston Town Centre" is a better display for all routes as in a way all bus routes circulate Kingston in a way. I don't think there is need to have a separate blind for each stand simply because Kingston can be confusing for new people it took me at least a month to get used to the entire area on foot and travel wise whilst down there a lot. |
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 8, 2014 9:26:03 GMT
Clapham Park to Streatham (Hill), Clapham Park given that the same terminus was called Streatham Hill, Atkins Road Kingston to Kingston Cromwell Road/Fairfield Road/Brook Street. If it shows up on curtailment blinds/iBus on some routes, then why not show them on normal blinds Hampton Court to Hampton Court Station for R68 and Hampton Court Roundabout for curtailed 111s I see nothing wrong with the "Hampton Court" display as the R68 terminates in Hampton Court. The 111 when turned also finishes at Hampton Court, the last stop is actually by Hampton Court Gardens so I see nothing wrong with Hampton Court either. |
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Post by snowman on Dec 8, 2014 10:16:23 GMT
Kingston > Kingston Cromwell Road Bus StationKingston > Kingston Fairfield Bus StationKingston > Kingston Brook StreetKingston > Kingston Kingston Hall Road Sudbury Town > Sudbury (for route 92) Whilst I partly agree with this I disagree, the whole of Kingston is an annoying one way system and Imo all the blinds displaying one simple thing is better than having 4 different displays to confuse people. Brook Street of all places does not need to be identified as it is in the Town Centre... So 65 to Kingston is right, Fairfield Bus Station is just by the Town Centre and all buses to Cromwell Road serve the Town Centre. "Kingston" or even "Kingston Town Centre" is a better display for all routes as in a way all bus routes circulate Kingston in a way. I don't think there is need to have a separate blind for each stand simply because Kingston can be confusing for new people it took me at least a month to get used to the entire area on foot and travel wise whilst down there a lot. Tend to agree that its not right to have different stops half mile apart with same destination name, as it suggests you can stroll from one to another to change buses, but don't think it needs to be as detailed. Incidently although the stand is in Kingston Hall Road, the last stop is in the High Street so if anything that should be the destination. (The first stop on return is however in Kingston Hall Road) It might all change anyway as a planning consultation is out (see Kingston Council website) for pedestrianising Eden Street (or narrowing it to widen pavements and making it one way like Hounslow High Street) as part of redeveloping the area between Ashdown Road (used by some routes), Eden Street and Union Street |
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