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Post by Nathan on Dec 6, 2014 13:07:50 GMT
Random idea I just thought of now. Here's a few of my ideas of which turns should be renamed:
- New Cross Gate > New Cross, Bus Garage (buses heading towards Peckham/Old Kent Road would still retain the New Cross Gate turn as they terminate at the station) - New Cross Gate > New Cross, Sainsbury's (for the 321) - Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage > Catford, Bus Garage (there is simply no need for the 'Bellingham' part. - Penge > Penge, Croydon Road ('Penge' is simply not detailed enough. WHERE in Pence does this 176 take me??)
I'll think of some more later...
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 6, 2014 19:43:51 GMT
Random idea I just thought of now. Here's a few of my ideas of which turns should be renamed: - New Cross Gate > New Cross, Bus Garage (buses heading towards Peckham/Old Kent Road would still retain the New Cross Gate turn as they terminate at the station) - New Cross Gate > New Cross, Sainsbury's (for the 321) - Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage > Catford, Bus Garage (there is simply no need for the 'Bellingham' part. - Penge > Penge, Croydon Road ('Penge' is simply not detailed enough. WHERE in Pence does this 176 take me??) I'll think of some more later... Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage is fine as the actual area is Bellingham so you are wrong... Not many people are very familiar with Bellingham so a Blind displaying that actually helps people who are lost. Catford Bus Garage is not actually in Catford Town Centre so Bellingham as the qualifier actually makes sense... Just like Bromley Bus Garage is actually just past Bromley Common. On the blind it displays Bromley Common, Bus Garage and it fact the garage is closer to Locksbottom than Bromley Town Centre The 176 goes to Penge Town Centre, no more detail required... In fact it used to State "Penge, Pawlenye Arms" on the blinds, which is more specific than Croydon Road.. Too many different blinds "New Cross Gate" is fine, if people wish to know where they are going ask the drivers ... the entire area where New Cross Bus Garage is actually New Cross Gate so won't make much difference... The 321 & P13 is fine as it is as well
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Post by fg49 on Dec 6, 2014 19:58:55 GMT
- Battersea, Latchmere Road > Battersea, Petworth Street or Battersea Bridge Road or Battersea, Prince of Wales Drive (for the 49, N19 and N31 heading towards Clap Junc as 'Latchmere Road' is a 5-10 minute walk away from the last stop at Petworth Street, one of the three would be much more accurate.)
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Post by marlon101 on Dec 6, 2014 20:06:04 GMT
Bexley - Golden Acre for the 269 given that they've made themselves a stand there!
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 6, 2014 20:17:08 GMT
Roneo Corner - Romford, Roneo Corner (Nobody would know where Roneo Corner is if they are unfamiliar with the area)
Ilford Station - Ilford Hill (The last stop is actually quite a walk from Ilford Station and people would be expecting a bus going to Ilford Station to actually Display Ilford Station)
Barking - Barking, London Road and Barking Station (Both the 169, 238 and 287 all display the same destination but the 238 and 287 terminate at the Station while the 169 terminates on London Road, it's a bit misleading)
Forest Gate, Police Station - Forest Gate, Katherine Road (Given the last stop is Katherine Road and not much people actually know where in Forest Gate the police Station is)
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Post by Nathan on Dec 6, 2014 20:38:20 GMT
Random idea I just thought of now. Here's a few of my ideas of which turns should be renamed: - New Cross Gate > New Cross, Bus Garage (buses heading towards Peckham/Old Kent Road would still retain the New Cross Gate turn as they terminate at the station) - New Cross Gate > New Cross, Sainsbury's (for the 321) - Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage > Catford, Bus Garage (there is simply no need for the 'Bellingham' part. - Penge > Penge, Croydon Road ('Penge' is simply not detailed enough. WHERE in Pence does this 176 take me??) I'll think of some more later... Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage is fine as the actual area is Bellingham so you are wrong... Not many people are very familiar with Bellingham so a Blind displaying that actually helps people who are lost. Catford Bus Garage is not actually in Catford Town Centre so Bellingham as the qualifier actually makes sense... Just like Bromley Bus Garage is actually just past Bromley Common. On the blind it displays Bromley Common, Bus Garage and it fact the garage is closer to Locksbottom than Bromley Town Centre The 176 goes to Penge Town Centre, no more detail required... In fact it used to State "Penge, Pawlenye Arms" on the blinds, which is more specific than Croydon Road.. Too many different blinds "New Cross Gate" is fine, if people wish to know where they are going ask the drivers ... the entire area where New Cross Bus Garage is actually New Cross Gate so won't make much difference... The 321 & P13 is fine as it is as well I didn't even know Pence had a town centre! I thought it was just the high street and that's it. Maybe 'Croydon Road' isn't that accurate...but then there's only one Pence in London, so its not exactly hard to find. As for New Cross Gate, suppose someone boarded a 36 assuming the route terminates at the station? They'll be confused when they get kicked off, and may even pay extra to go one stop ahead without realising how close it is to the garage (unless they ask of course). And to be fair, the P13 buses still have blinds saying New Cross, Sainsbury's. So I don't know what the problem is. And to be honest, it doesn't matter if TL is actually in Bellingham. People will be more inclined to associate the area with Catford anyway. Its only a few stops past the town centre anyway. Plus, the buses terminate at the garage ITSELF. Thus my suggestion in the quoted comment above. But if we go with the notion of TL being in Bellingham, then 'Brockley Rise' & 'Honor Oak Park' should be renamed 'Honor Oak, Brockley Rise' given the postcode that they terminate in (SE23). Or better yet, we could have 'Forest Hill, Brockley Rise' but that would be inaccurate.
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Post by Nathan on Dec 6, 2014 20:41:48 GMT
Roneo Corner - Romford, Roneo Corner (Nobody would know where Roneo Corner is if they are unfamiliar with the area) Good point you raise there. When I did the 222 end-to-end, the bus got a short turn to Cowley. Having looked at the bus stops from the countdown site I had to guess where it would terminate, then have a look on Google Maps to see where I would end up. Which brings me to my next suggestion... - Cowley > Cowley, Station Road
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 6, 2014 21:03:31 GMT
Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage is fine as the actual area is Bellingham so you are wrong... Not many people are very familiar with Bellingham so a Blind displaying that actually helps people who are lost. Catford Bus Garage is not actually in Catford Town Centre so Bellingham as the qualifier actually makes sense... Just like Bromley Bus Garage is actually just past Bromley Common. On the blind it displays Bromley Common, Bus Garage and it fact the garage is closer to Locksbottom than Bromley Town Centre The 176 goes to Penge Town Centre, no more detail required... In fact it used to State "Penge, Pawlenye Arms" on the blinds, which is more specific than Croydon Road.. Too many different blinds "New Cross Gate" is fine, if people wish to know where they are going ask the drivers ... the entire area where New Cross Bus Garage is actually New Cross Gate so won't make much difference... The 321 & P13 is fine as it is as well I didn't even know Pence had a town centre! I thought it was just the high street and that's it. Maybe 'Croydon Road' isn't that accurate...but then there's only one Pence in London, so its not exactly hard to find. As for New Cross Gate, suppose someone boarded a 36 assuming the route terminates at the station? They'll be confused when they get kicked off, and may even pay extra to go one stop ahead without realising how close it is to the garage (unless they ask of course). And to be fair, the P13 buses still have blinds saying New Cross, Sainsbury's. So I don't know what the problem is. And to be honest, it doesn't matter if TL is actually in Bellingham. People will be more inclined to associate the area with Catford anyway. Its only a few stops past the town centre anyway. Plus, the buses terminate at the garage ITSELF. Thus my suggestion in the quoted comment above. But if we go with the notion of TL being in Bellingham, then 'Brockley Rise' & 'Honor Oak Park' should be renamed 'Honor Oak, Brockley Rise' given the postcode that they terminate in (SE23). Or better yet, we could have 'Forest Hill, Brockley Rise' but that would be inaccurate. True, but that is not much of a problem, New Cross Gate station is a 5 minute walk from the Garage and it is on the same side of the road, the 36 is lightly used between Peckham & New Cross anyways, the 436 is busier. The 343 does not even exactly terminate at New Cross Gate Station either, it finishes outside of Haberdashers Askes Hatcham College Lower Site. That is because the P13s blinds in some buses are 10 years old and will show New Cross Gate when upgraded with Enviro 200s from the 100. Plus in addition to New Cross & New Cross Gate their are two stations in New Cross, so using New Cross Gate actually is already informing passengers on the 36 & P13 that this bus does not go past New Cross Station... Well TL is actually in Bellingham which covers quite a lot of the area, so pretty much yes it does matter for the same reasons at which you mention about New Cross, like I said not many people are familiar with the area, so at least they will actually know they are in Bellingham, it is only a few stops past the Town Centre, but the Town Centre is actually the heart of Catford. I agree with you on Brockley Rise as that Terminus is not actually in Brockley, but in Honor Oak Park, but many people have called that area Brockley Rise for years which is why people are used to calling that area "Brockley Rise", but I would not call it Forest Hill, Brockley Rise as it is actually "Honor Oak Park" - "Honor Oak Park, Brockley Rise" would probably be a bit more specific. When the P4 is curtailed to Brockley Rise many drivers usually say the bus is only going to "Honor Oak Station"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 21:09:22 GMT
Canning Town - Should be Canning Town Station like it used to be
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Post by Nathan on Dec 6, 2014 21:16:29 GMT
I didn't even know Pence had a town centre! I thought it was just the high street and that's it. Maybe 'Croydon Road' isn't that accurate...but then there's only one Pence in London, so its not exactly hard to find. As for New Cross Gate, suppose someone boarded a 36 assuming the route terminates at the station? They'll be confused when they get kicked off, and may even pay extra to go one stop ahead without realising how close it is to the garage (unless they ask of course). And to be fair, the P13 buses still have blinds saying New Cross, Sainsbury's. So I don't know what the problem is. And to be honest, it doesn't matter if TL is actually in Bellingham. People will be more inclined to associate the area with Catford anyway. Its only a few stops past the town centre anyway. Plus, the buses terminate at the garage ITSELF. Thus my suggestion in the quoted comment above. But if we go with the notion of TL being in Bellingham, then 'Brockley Rise' & 'Honor Oak Park' should be renamed 'Honor Oak, Brockley Rise' given the postcode that they terminate in (SE23). Or better yet, we could have 'Forest Hill, Brockley Rise' but that would be inaccurate. True, but that is not much of a problem, New Cross Gate station is a 5 minute walk from the Garage and it is on the same side of the road, the 36 is lightly used between Peckham & New Cross anyways, the 436 is busier. The 343 does not even exactly terminate at New Cross Gate Station either, it finishes outside of Haberdashers Askes Hatcham College Lower Site. That is because the P13s blinds in some buses are 10 years old and will show New Cross Gate when upgraded with Enviro 200s from the 100. Plus in addition to New Cross & New Cross Gate their are two stations in New Cross, so using New Cross Gate actually is already informing passengers on the 36 & P13 that this bus does not go past New Cross Station... I agree with you on Brockley Rise as that Terminus is not actually in Brockley, but in Honor Oak Park, but many people have called that area Brockley Rise for years which is why people are used to calling that area "Brockley Rise", but I would not call it Forest Hill, Brockley Rise as it is actually "Honor Oak Park" - "Honor Oak Park, Brockley Rise" would probably be a bit more specific. When the P4 is curtailed to Brockley Rise many drivers usually say the bus is only going to "Honor Oak Station" But the 36 & P13 do not go to New Cross Gate Station either. So passengers may still be annoyed when they find out it doesn't go there. But like you mentioned, the 36 is lightly used between Peckham and NX as there are many other buses going the same way and beyond. You do realise that Brockley Rise is the road where the 172 & P12 terminate. And Honor Oak Park is the road which the station is on as well as where the P4 & P12 travel on. I used to think that the blinds (and iBus) should say 'Brockley Rise' for the P12 bus I guess HOP actually works for this route seeing as it terminates only 1 stop after the station. But Brockley Rise is still more accurate. But overall for accuracy, blinds for all routes terminating there should say 'Honor Oak, Brockley Rise'
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 6, 2014 21:27:32 GMT
Canning Town - Should be Canning Town Station like it used to be That's one blind I honestly do not get, when the 147 goes there the blinds display "Canning Town Station" and the ibus also announces "147 to Canning Town Station" although routes like the 5 and 69 both display "Canning Town" and the ibus states "5 to Canning Town". While the 309 seems to have the blinds displaying "Canning Town Station" but the iBus announces "309 to Canning Town"
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 6, 2014 21:32:13 GMT
True, but that is not much of a problem, New Cross Gate station is a 5 minute walk from the Garage and it is on the same side of the road, the 36 is lightly used between Peckham & New Cross anyways, the 436 is busier. The 343 does not even exactly terminate at New Cross Gate Station either, it finishes outside of Haberdashers Askes Hatcham College Lower Site. That is because the P13s blinds in some buses are 10 years old and will show New Cross Gate when upgraded with Enviro 200s from the 100. Plus in addition to New Cross & New Cross Gate their are two stations in New Cross, so using New Cross Gate actually is already informing passengers on the 36 & P13 that this bus does not go past New Cross Station... I agree with you on Brockley Rise as that Terminus is not actually in Brockley, but in Honor Oak Park, but many people have called that area Brockley Rise for years which is why people are used to calling that area "Brockley Rise", but I would not call it Forest Hill, Brockley Rise as it is actually "Honor Oak Park" - "Honor Oak Park, Brockley Rise" would probably be a bit more specific. When the P4 is curtailed to Brockley Rise many drivers usually say the bus is only going to "Honor Oak Station" But the 36 & P13 do not go to New Cross Gate Station either. So passengers may still be annoyed when they find out it doesn't go there. But like you mentioned, the 36 is lightly used between Peckham and NX as there are many other buses going the same way and beyond. You do realise that Brockley Rise is the road where the 172 & P12 terminate. And Honor Oak Park is the road which the station is on as well as where the P4 & P12 travel on. I used to think that the blinds (and iBus) should say 'Brockley Rise' for the P12 bus I guess HOP actually works for this route seeing as it terminates only 1 stop after the station. But Brockley Rise is still more accurate. But overall for accuracy, blinds for all routes terminating there should say 'Honor Oak, Brockley Rise' If someone gets on a 36 or P13 finds out it does not go to New Cross Gate Station then tough lol, the blind does not actually display "New Cross Gate Station" if that was displayed I would agree with you, hardly a long walk on a straight road burn some calories....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2014 21:34:52 GMT
Canning Town - Should be Canning Town Station like it used to be That's one blind I honestly do not get, when the 147 goes there the blinds display "Canning Town Station" and the ibus also announces "147 to Canning Town Station" although routes like the 5 and 69 both display "Canning Town" and the ibus states "5 to Canning Town". While the 309 seems to have the blinds displaying "Canning Town Station" but the iBus announces "309 to Canning Town" 147 to Canning Town Station hmmmm must be going back a while can't remember last time I see a 147 going there ........ Joking aside. I think the 147 is to do with the way that it approaches Canning Town Station (Via Prine Regent and Keir Hardie ) compared to most of the other routes. All the buses (5,69,330) used to display Canning Town Station it's stupid.
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Post by moz on Dec 6, 2014 21:35:36 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2014 21:57:46 GMT
Brixton to return back to Brixton Station - Brixton is more than the town centre so why be so vague! West Norwood to return back to Norwood, Bus Garage or Norwood Garage - the 2 terminates right outside it so no need to change it. 432's that turn short also terminate there too. Croydon Town Centre to return to the following:
Croydon, Park Street for the 109 Croydon, Fairfield Halls for the 75 & 250 Croydon, Flyover for the 50 Croydon, Katherine Street for the 197 & 264
I really hate vague blinds!!!
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