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Post by Gellico on Dec 30, 2015 23:41:00 GMT
Once Crossrail Abbey Wood opens nee connections will have to be made, the first of these I can see is a slight rerouting of the 401 instead of going right of Yarnton way towards Thamesmead instead turns left, heads down the A2041 towards Abbey Wood then continues does a 360 round the rounabout heads back up the A2041 and continues the route as normal. Buses going both ways would do this but stop at different stops. In addition to this on weekday 6am till 6 pm a 10 minutes frequency as this route suffers severly from capacity issues at peaks and with Crossrail itll be busier. Also extended to BX as to not clog up the clocktower stop when offloading passengers.
The introduction of new route 421 running between Abbey Wood and Crayford. Starting at Abbey Wood it would run with the B11 until Woolwich road where it then mirrors the 99 until reaching brook street (new stops to be installed) at the juntion with belmont road a left turn is undertaken (roundabout could be an issue) reaching Belmont school they go straight across the roundabout onto littleheath road, turn left onto Avenue road towards bexleyheath station, right onto Glynde road, left onto Bramton road, right onto A207, lefy onto Danson road, left onto Sandhurst road, left onto Brook lane then onto Alers road and Red house road, left onto Upton road then right onto broadway. After completing vexleyheath it proceeds down towards bexley then at A223 roundabout turns left towards Crayford and terminates outside Sainburys. This route would connect some new heavily populated areas and reduce pressure on some other routes, frequency would be every 20 minutes operated from BX with 9.4M Wright Streetlites (just want some more variety as Bexley is near 100% Ew00 in terms of singles very soo)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 23:54:25 GMT
Once Crossrail Abbey Wood opens nee connections will have to be made, the first of these I can see is a slight rerouting of the 401 instead of going right of Yarnton way towards Thamesmead instead turns left, heads down the A2041 towards Abbey Wood then continues does a 360 round the rounabout heads back up the A2041 and continues the route as normal. Buses going both ways would do this but stop at different stops. In addition to this on weekday 6am till 6 pm a 10 minutes frequency as this route suffers severly from capacity issues at peaks and with Crossrail itll be busier. Also extended to BX as to not clog up the clocktower stop when offloading passengers. The introduction of new route 421 running between Abbey Wood and Crayford. Starting at Abbey Wood it would run with the B11 until Woolwich road where it then mirrors the 99 until reaching brook street (new stops to be installed) at the juntion with belmont road a left turn is undertaken (roundabout could be an issue) reaching Belmont school they go straight across the roundabout onto littleheath road, turn left onto Avenue road towards bexleyheath station, right onto Glynde road, left onto Bramton road, right onto A207, lefy onto Danson road, left onto Sandhurst road, left onto Brook lane then onto Alers road and Red house road, left onto Upton road then right onto broadway. After completing vexleyheath it proceeds down towards bexley then at A223 roundabout turns left towards Crayford and terminates outside Sainburys. This route would connect some new heavily populated areas and reduce pressure on some other routes, frequency would be every 20 minutes operated from BX with 9.4M Wright Streetlites (just want some more variety as Bexley is near 100% Ew00 in terms of singles very soo) Good idea for the 401  Instead of the 421 maybe extend the 469 to Crayford via Bexley Road, Northend Road, Perry Street, Crayford Road? It could also terminate outside Sainsbury's. New hospital link to as well as crosserail stuff. Just an idea |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2015 23:56:51 GMT
Trying to Solve the 160 issues 124 extension to Sidcup High Street (Sidcup, Morrison's) via Footscray Road, Southwood Road, fast via Sidcup By-Pass and Chislehurst Road. New bus stand at Jenner Close opposite Sidcup Morrison's Superstore. Frequency increase Bus every 4-6 minutes. 160 withdrawn from New Eltham and Eltham High Street; no longer serving Southwood Rd, Footscray Rd, Southend Cres, High Street, Eltham Hill. Rerouted via Sidcup Road, Court Road, Middle Park Avenue to line of route (for replacement see 124) 160 every 20 minutes . Routing around Edgebury Estate, Chislehurst swapped with route 162. Route 160 becomes single-decked. Route 162 becomes double-decked. Sidcup Road may cause issues and 124 becomes very long could be problem but not many of broken links for anyone and creation of new links plus my attempt at resolving the 160. Haha it took time and I'm still unsure if this plans feasible. Let me know your thoughts. Some interesting ideas, no reason why there shouldn't be a bus service along the A20, plenty of houses currently rather remote from the nearest bus stop. I'm not sure the 124 justifies quite such a high frequency (although could be increased to every 5 minutes between Catford and Grove Park) and I think the 160 should remain every 15 minutes at least (and restored to Brownhill Road) especially if its single decked. Thanks Sid. Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot before. So you like the idea? In hindsight frequency could remain for 160 but increased for 124. I think it could work and certainly improve 160 reliability issues |
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Post by Gellico on Dec 31, 2015 8:12:55 GMT
Once Crossrail Abbey Wood opens nee connections will have to be made, the first of these I can see is a slight rerouting of the 401 instead of going right of Yarnton way towards Thamesmead instead turns left, heads down the A2041 towards Abbey Wood then continues does a 360 round the rounabout heads back up the A2041 and continues the route as normal. Buses going both ways would do this but stop at different stops. In addition to this on weekday 6am till 6 pm a 10 minutes frequency as this route suffers severly from capacity issues at peaks and with Crossrail itll be busier. Also extended to BX as to not clog up the clocktower stop when offloading passengers. The introduction of new route 421 running between Abbey Wood and Crayford. Starting at Abbey Wood it would run with the B11 until Woolwich road where it then mirrors the 99 until reaching brook street (new stops to be installed) at the juntion with belmont road a left turn is undertaken (roundabout could be an issue) reaching Belmont school they go straight across the roundabout onto littleheath road, turn left onto Avenue road towards bexleyheath station, right onto Glynde road, left onto Bramton road, right onto A207, lefy onto Danson road, left onto Sandhurst road, left onto Brook lane then onto Alers road and Red house road, left onto Upton road then right onto broadway. After completing vexleyheath it proceeds down towards bexley then at A223 roundabout turns left towards Crayford and terminates outside Sainburys. This route would connect some new heavily populated areas and reduce pressure on some other routes, frequency would be every 20 minutes operated from BX with 9.4M Wright Streetlites (just want some more variety as Bexley is near 100% Ew00 in terms of singles very soo) Good idea for the 401 Instead of the 421 maybe extend the 469 to Crayford via Bexley Road, Northend Road, Perry Street, Crayford Road? It could also terminate outside Sainsbury's. New hospital link to as well as crosserail stuff. Just an idea It could work and would be much easier to work. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 31, 2015 10:20:43 GMT
Once Crossrail Abbey Wood opens nee connections will have to be made, the first of these I can see is a slight rerouting of the 401 instead of going right of Yarnton way towards Thamesmead instead turns left, heads down the A2041 towards Abbey Wood then continues does a 360 round the rounabout heads back up the A2041 and continues the route as normal. Buses going both ways would do this but stop at different stops. In addition to this on weekday 6am till 6 pm a 10 minutes frequency as this route suffers severly from capacity issues at peaks and with Crossrail itll be busier. Also extended to BX as to not clog up the clocktower stop when offloading passengers. The introduction of new route 421 running between Abbey Wood and Crayford. Starting at Abbey Wood it would run with the B11 until Woolwich road where it then mirrors the 99 until reaching brook street (new stops to be installed) at the juntion with belmont road a left turn is undertaken (roundabout could be an issue) reaching Belmont school they go straight across the roundabout onto littleheath road, turn left onto Avenue road towards bexleyheath station, right onto Glynde road, left onto Bramton road, right onto A207, lefy onto Danson road, left onto Sandhurst road, left onto Brook lane then onto Alers road and Red house road, left onto Upton road then right onto broadway. After completing vexleyheath it proceeds down towards bexley then at A223 roundabout turns left towards Crayford and terminates outside Sainburys. This route would connect some new heavily populated areas and reduce pressure on some other routes, frequency would be every 20 minutes operated from BX with 9.4M Wright Streetlites (just want some more variety as Bexley is near 100% Ew00 in terms of singles very soo) I'm not sure through passengers would appreciate the 401 double run. Maybe extend/reroute the 180 via the 401 to Belvedere Station : there's a large stand by the Greenwich and Bexley Cottage Hospice store (formerly Davis TV/electrical store) The 421 looks interesting : it would link a lot of places that I frequently have to visit and I would make much use of it. Back in the day, the London Country route 491 used to run the whole length of Brook Street, and despite a narrow bit south of Carlton Road, I see no problem with running a small bus down there again : it has frequent visits from huge lorries from the bakery in Belmont Road (it's a right into Belmont Road from Brook Street, by the way!) Only issues I would have is Red House Lane, which is too narrow for buses in my opinion. I think the left turn from Glynde Road into Brampton Road would be awkward too. I would send your 421 to the bottom of Avenue Road, left onto the A207, then right along Upton Road to the junction with Townley Road, then via the B13 to Bexleyheath. |
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Post by Gellico on Dec 31, 2015 11:27:11 GMT
Once Crossrail Abbey Wood opens nee connections will have to be made, the first of these I can see is a slight rerouting of the 401 instead of going right of Yarnton way towards Thamesmead instead turns left, heads down the A2041 towards Abbey Wood then continues does a 360 round the rounabout heads back up the A2041 and continues the route as normal. Buses going both ways would do this but stop at different stops. In addition to this on weekday 6am till 6 pm a 10 minutes frequency as this route suffers severly from capacity issues at peaks and with Crossrail itll be busier. Also extended to BX as to not clog up the clocktower stop when offloading passengers. The introduction of new route 421 running between Abbey Wood and Crayford. Starting at Abbey Wood it would run with the B11 until Woolwich road where it then mirrors the 99 until reaching brook street (new stops to be installed) at the juntion with belmont road a left turn is undertaken (roundabout could be an issue) reaching Belmont school they go straight across the roundabout onto littleheath road, turn left onto Avenue road towards bexleyheath station, right onto Glynde road, left onto Bramton road, right onto A207, lefy onto Danson road, left onto Sandhurst road, left onto Brook lane then onto Alers road and Red house road, left onto Upton road then right onto broadway. After completing vexleyheath it proceeds down towards bexley then at A223 roundabout turns left towards Crayford and terminates outside Sainburys. This route would connect some new heavily populated areas and reduce pressure on some other routes, frequency would be every 20 minutes operated from BX with 9.4M Wright Streetlites (just want some more variety as Bexley is near 100% Ew00 in terms of singles very soo) I'm not sure through passengers would appreciate the 401 double run. Maybe extend/reroute the 180 via the 401 to Belvedere Station : there's a large stand by the Greenwich and Bexley Cottage Hospice store (formerly Davis TV/electrical store) The 421 looks interesting : it would link a lot of places that I frequently have to visit and I would make much use of it. Back in the day, the London Country route 491 used to run the whole length of Brook Street, and despite a narrow bit south of Carlton Road, I see no problem with running a small bus down there again : it has frequent visits from huge lorries from the bakery in Belmont Road (it's a right into Belmont Road from Brook Street, by the way!) Only issues I would have is Red House Lane, which is too narrow for buses in my opinion. I think the left turn from Glynde Road into Brampton Road would be awkward too. I would send your 421 to the bottom of Avenue Road, left onto the A207, then right along Upton Road to the junction with Townley Road, then via the B13 to Bexleyheath. I wanted it to serve the Dansom area and considered just making it mirror the B13 from Blendon to Bexleyheath Libary however I am not a fan of that routing and wanted it to go past ASDA via some unserved roads. Bexley needs some more Hopper style routes as there is many areas that are linked well and some that don't have any. Also I disagree with what you say about the 401, sure it would be annoying for some but the only other real option is to make the B11 every 10 minutes (which will likely happen anyway) With the 180 tender up now I imagine some modifications will be made in particular if BV loose the route as it would be a bit odd seeimg stagecoach run right out of a Go ahead yard that doesnt have an open forecourt. I would like the 180 to be retained with some of MCVs new deckers or if Stagecoach gain it the cast off Geminis from the 53 or in the tragic event of Arriva winning it some MMCs |
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 31, 2015 12:21:26 GMT
If you want to serve the Danson Park area, I think it would be better for that to be a separate route - I think you risk over-bussing though : there really aren't many other roads east of Danson Park that are suitable for buses apart from those already served by the B13 : and that can't really be extended to Abbey Wood without removing the New Eltham loop (the B13 only terminates at the Bexleyheath end - any extension would make the route too long). If the loop working was removed in some way, though, the B13 would be a great choice to cover the northern end of your 421 : via Broadway, then Avenue Road etc. Not everything in North Bexley needs to go to Abbey Wood  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:20:33 GMT
Route 401 - extended to Orpington, Perry Hall Road (serving North Cray) via Arnsberg Way, Broadway, Gravel Hill, Bourne Road, Bexley High Street, North Cray Road, Edginton Way, Sevenoaks Way, Cray Avenue, High Street, . Headway improved to every 10 minutes Mon-Sat daily.
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- Lots of new areas get an almost direct link to Abbey Wood CrossrailÂ
- North Cray gets a much more frequent bus service with improved freq. on 492/401.
- Extending the 401 creates many new travel links; Thamesmead-Orpington, Abbey Wood-Orpington, Belvedere-Orpington, North Cray-Orpington, North Cray-St Mary Cray, North Cray-Belvedere/Abbey Wood/Thamesmead
- North Cray direct link to Orpington Nugent/Walnuts Centre/High Street and Orpington Station. While Orpington is an area I feel is closely associated with North Cray, the area does not currently have a direct link.
- North Cray would have a direct link to Foots Cray Tesco under these proposals. While this is the nearest big supermarket, there is currently no direct link.
- Supports busy route 51 on Sevenoaks Way and towards Woolwich, where people who may then transfer into the areas now linked with the 401 route wouldn't need to transfer
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Post by Gellico on Jan 21, 2016 20:43:37 GMT
Route 401 - extended to Orpington (serving North Cray) via Arnsberg Way, Broadway, Gravel Hill, Bourne Road, Bexley High Street, North Cray Road, Edginton Way, Sevenoaks Way, Cray Avenue, High Street, Station Road, and Station Approach. Headway improved to every 10 minutes Mon-Sat daily. Pro's: - Lots of new areas get an almost direct link to Abbey Wood Crossrail - North Cray gets a much more frequent bus service with improved freq. on 492/401. - Extending the 401 creates many new travel links; Thamesmead-Orpington, Abbey Wood-Orpington, Belvedere-Orpington, North Cray-Orpington, North Cray-St Mary Cray, North Cray-Belvedere/Abbey Wood/Thamesmead - North Cray direct link to Orpington Nugent/Walnuts Centre/High Street and Orpington Station. While Orpington is an area I feel is closely associated with North Cray, the area does not currently have a direct link. - North Cray would have a direct link to Foots Cray Tesco under these proposals. While this is the nearest big supermarket, there is currently no direct link. - Supports busy route 51 on Sevenoaks Way and towards Woolwich, where people who may then transfer into the areas now linked with the 401 route wouldn't need to transfer This route would be massive, even with a 10 minute frequency I could imagine long queues in both ways |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 20:54:53 GMT
Route 401 - extended to Orpington (serving North Cray) via Arnsberg Way, Broadway, Gravel Hill, Bourne Road, Bexley High Street, North Cray Road, Edginton Way, Sevenoaks Way, Cray Avenue, High Street, Station Road, and Station Approach. Headway improved to every 10 minutes Mon-Sat daily. Pro's: - Lots of new areas get an almost direct link to Abbey Wood Crossrail - North Cray gets a much more frequent bus service with improved freq. on 492/401. - Extending the 401 creates many new travel links; Thamesmead-Orpington, Abbey Wood-Orpington, Belvedere-Orpington, North Cray-Orpington, North Cray-St Mary Cray, North Cray-Belvedere/Abbey Wood/Thamesmead - North Cray direct link to Orpington Nugent/Walnuts Centre/High Street and Orpington Station. While Orpington is an area I feel is closely associated with North Cray, the area does not currently have a direct link. - North Cray would have a direct link to Foots Cray Tesco under these proposals. While this is the nearest big supermarket, there is currently no direct link. - Supports busy route 51 on Sevenoaks Way and towards Woolwich, where people who may then transfer into the areas now linked with the 401 route wouldn't need to transfer This route would be massive, even with a 10 minute frequency I could imagine long queues in both ways Ooh, at a second glance you're right!  I think I'd actually make the terminus Orpington, Perry Hall Road. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 21:31:35 GMT
Instead of using London Road to Bluewater I would run the 492 up Watling Street so it went to Darenth Valley Hospital this would be more use to the folk in Bexley who use that Hospital
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 22, 2016 12:38:02 GMT
This route would be massive, even with a 10 minute frequency I could imagine long queues in both ways Ooh, at a second glance you're right! I think I'd actually make the terminus Orpington, Perry Hall Road. I can see the usefulness of this extension, but even if cut to Orpington, Perry Hall Road it would be a very long route at 15 miles and its reliability would suffer greatly. However I do agree with extending the 401, personally I'd extend it to Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital using an alternative routing to the 229 via Arnsberg Way - Highland Road - Albion Road - Townley Road - Arbuthnot Lane - Bridgen Road - Blendon Road - Penhill Road - Foots Cray Lane - Bexley Lane - Rectory Lane - High Street - Sidcup - The Green - Chislehurst Road - Queen Mary's Hospital. |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 22, 2016 12:54:47 GMT
Ooh, at a second glance you're right! I think I'd actually make the terminus Orpington, Perry Hall Road. I can see the usefulness of this extension, but even if cut to Orpington, Perry Hall Road it would be a very long route at 15 miles and its reliability would suffer greatly. However I do agree with extending the 401, personally I'd extend it to Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital using an alternative routing to the 229 via Arnsberg Way - Highland Road - Albion Road - Townley Road - Arbuthnot Lane - Bridgen Road - Blendon Road - Penhill Road - Foots Cray Lane - Bexley Lane - Rectory Lane - High Street - Sidcup - The Green - Chislehurst Road - Queen Mary's Hospital. I agree, it's a really good idea but just a bit long - other than that, I'd certainly go for it. I'd personally extend the 401 to Bexley Park instead and create a new route (301 if you like lol) from Bexleyheath to Orpington via the 51 to Sidcup (only difference is it will serve Foots Cray Tesco) then either the 229 or 269 to Bexleyheath. I know the B14 runs between both places but it's via a plethora of back roads and while certainly useful, I think a more direct link would be just as used (the B14 would be kept on). |
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Post by sid on Jan 22, 2016 13:57:53 GMT
Ooh, at a second glance you're right! I think I'd actually make the terminus Orpington, Perry Hall Road. I can see the usefulness of this extension, but even if cut to Orpington, Perry Hall Road it would be a very long route at 15 miles and its reliability would suffer greatly. However I do agree with extending the 401, personally I'd extend it to Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital using an alternative routing to the 229 via Arnsberg Way - Highland Road - Albion Road - Townley Road - Arbuthnot Lane - Bridgen Road - Blendon Road - Penhill Road - Foots Cray Lane - Bexley Lane - Rectory Lane - High Street - Sidcup - The Green - Chislehurst Road - Queen Mary's Hospital. It's not too long at all, Thamesmead to Orpington would be about 1hr 15mins end to end off peak which is about the optimum length for bus routes. I certainly wouldn't curtail it at Perry Hall Road on the edge of Orpington. |
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 22, 2016 14:15:43 GMT
I can see the usefulness of this extension, but even if cut to Orpington, Perry Hall Road it would be a very long route at 15 miles and its reliability would suffer greatly. However I do agree with extending the 401, personally I'd extend it to Sidcup, Queen Mary's Hospital using an alternative routing to the 229 via Arnsberg Way - Highland Road - Albion Road - Townley Road - Arbuthnot Lane - Bridgen Road - Blendon Road - Penhill Road - Foots Cray Lane - Bexley Lane - Rectory Lane - High Street - Sidcup - The Green - Chislehurst Road - Queen Mary's Hospital. It's not too long at all, Thamesmead to Orpington would be about 1hr 15mins end to end off peak which is about the optimum length for bus routes. I certainly wouldn't curtail it at Perry Hall Road on the edge of Orpington. Correct me if I'm wrong but an off peak running time of 75 mins is already excessive, imagine how long peak journeys would take. For a bit of perspective route 25's off peak journey time is 60 mins. |
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I think I'd actually make the terminus Orpington, Perry Hall Road. 
