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Post by sid on Jan 22, 2016 14:43:01 GMT
It's not too long at all, Thamesmead to Orpington would be about 1hr 15mins end to end off peak which is about the optimum length for bus routes. I certainly wouldn't curtail it at Perry Hall Road on the edge of Orpington. Correct me if I'm wrong but an off peak running time of 75 mins is already excessive, imagine how long peak journeys would take. For a bit of perspective route 25's off peak journey time is 60 mins. I don't know if you're wrong or not but I've never heard that before and the 25 is certainly a lot more than 60 mins from Ilford to Oxford Circus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 15:40:02 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but an off peak running time of 75 mins is already excessive, imagine how long peak journeys would take. For a bit of perspective route 25's off peak journey time is 60 mins. I don't know if you're wrong or not but I've never that before and the 25 is certainly a lot more than 60 mins from Ilford to Oxford Circus. The shortest trip on the 25 is 60 mins but I expect that's in the middle of the night. EDIT: Looked it up, it's the 0213 Ilford - Oxford Circus 0313. |
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Post by Steve09 on Jan 22, 2016 16:33:39 GMT
Route 401 - extended to Orpington (serving North Cray) via Arnsberg Way, Broadway, Gravel Hill, Bourne Road, Bexley High Street, North Cray Road, Edginton Way, Sevenoaks Way, Cray Avenue, High Street, Station Road, and Station Approach. Headway improved to every 10 minutes Mon-Sat daily. Pro's: - Lots of new areas get an almost direct link to Abbey Wood Crossrail - North Cray gets a much more frequent bus service with improved freq. on 492/401. - Extending the 401 creates many new travel links; Thamesmead-Orpington, Abbey Wood-Orpington, Belvedere-Orpington, North Cray-Orpington, North Cray-St Mary Cray, North Cray-Belvedere/Abbey Wood/Thamesmead - North Cray direct link to Orpington Nugent/Walnuts Centre/High Street and Orpington Station. While Orpington is an area I feel is closely associated with North Cray, the area does not currently have a direct link. - North Cray would have a direct link to Foots Cray Tesco under these proposals. While this is the nearest big supermarket, there is currently no direct link. - Supports busy route 51 on Sevenoaks Way and towards Woolwich, where people who may then transfer into the areas now linked with the 401 route wouldn't need to transfer This route would be massive, even with a 10 minute frequency I could imagine long queues in both ways The 401 is my local route and its quite nice knowing that whatever the time, the route is always very reliable as there are no main traffic hotpsots on the route (apart from when the Bexleyheath bus area gets jammed up!), extending the route to Bexley Village and Sevenoaks Way which both have a lot of traffic in the peak would affect the reliability. |
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Post by Gellico on Jan 22, 2016 16:43:03 GMT
This route would be massive, even with a 10 minute frequency I could imagine long queues in both ways The 401 is my local route and its quite nice knowing that whatever the time, the route is always very reliable as there are no main traffic hotpsots on the route (apart from when the Bexleyheath bus area gets jammed up!), extending the route to Bexley Village and Sevenoaks Way which both have a lot of traffic in the peak would affect the reliability. 401 is my localist, if thats word, route too |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 22, 2016 20:03:56 GMT
The 401 idea probably, IMO, makes the route just that little bit too long and awkward to operate. Especially northbound in evening peaks, I could see buses arriving full at Bexleyheath with many trying to board and being unable to.
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Post by sid on Jan 22, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
There are other options such as rerouting the 353 to Bexleyheath and extending the 208 to Ramsden
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 21:01:29 GMT
The B14 Bexleyheath Shopping Centre to Orpington Station could do with a frequency increase to every 15 minutes peak hours and Monday to Saturday daytimes. Also a new Sunday and public Holiday evening service introduce with late evening journeys increased from every 60 minutes to every 30 minutes on all evenings of the week. Everytime I have been on a B14 in the Orpington and Sidcup area it has been very busy.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 20, 2016 19:42:20 GMT
Prompted by watching a repeat of the The Route Masters where the residents of North Peckham are up in arms over route 343 does anyone know how things are faring now we are over 18 months on from the 136 extension being introduced? Is there still overcrowding and full buses missing stops or are things now much smoother? Ditto for s/b trips from E&C in the PM peak?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 20, 2016 20:17:30 GMT
Prompted by watching a repeat of the The Route Masters where the residents of North Peckham are up in arms over route 343 does anyone know how things are faring now we are over 18 months on from the 136 extension being introduced? Is there still overcrowding and full buses missing stops or are things now much smoother? Ditto for s/b trips from E&C in the PM peak? I don't use the corridor myself. But I realise according to the latest patronage data that route 136 has now got more patronage than route 343, I imagine the new link between Lewisham and Elephant and Castle have attracted their own crowd. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 20, 2016 20:44:57 GMT
I guess that was always a risk with the 136 that buses may be quite full by the time they reach Southampton Way. Judging by loadings on the rest of the route I don't think it would be wrong if the freq was increased on the 136 particulary when the 436 reduces it's peak frequency.
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 20, 2016 21:01:04 GMT
Prompted by watching a repeat of the The Route Masters where the residents of North Peckham are up in arms over route 343 does anyone know how things are faring now we are over 18 months on from the 136 extension being introduced? Is there still overcrowding and full buses missing stops or are things now much smoother? Ditto for s/b trips from E&C in the PM peak? I don't use the corridor myself. But I realise according to the latest patronage data that route 136 has now got more patronage than route 343, I imagine the new link between Lewisham and Elephant and Castle have attracted their own crowd. Currently 15 Buses per hour. I have not used the services in a long time, but when I used the 136 in that area in the morning peak over a year ago there was a 343 in front in Southampton Way 1 stop in front "Stop: Segmoor Place" and my 136 was at the stop before "Southampton Way Estate" even though the 343 was serving every stop up to Elephant & Castle, the 136 was as well, people in that area come out of nowhere within seconds, so if no buses came for 10 minutes every bus stop will be full busy. I am not surprised. The entire route as a whole is just busy as well as the N136. I said it in 2014 and I will say it again it was the best extension of 2014. I imagine a lot of people from the Lewisham area use it to get into Elephant & Castle in the morning and evening commute which used to involve getting two buses. It only takes a few minutes longer than the 53, 172 & 453 which are pretty much full up all the time. The 343 is only really busy between Elephant & Castle and Peckham it is more frequent yes however the 136 provides that area a faster link to New Cross where I imagine people use it over the 343. The 136 the most quiet section is in fact Downham - Grove Park. Additionally the 136 now serves more of Peckham Town Centre so the punters can board to Lewisham from Busy Stop "Peckham Library" along with the 436. I have also found the 136 & 343 are quicker to Peckham from Elephant & Castle over the 12 & 171. It is more reliable than when terminating at Peckham. New Cross, New Cross Gate & Downham, Bromley Road turns were too common. |
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Post by sid on Oct 21, 2016 15:55:27 GMT
The problem is that the 136 is often quite well loaded by the time it gets to Southampton Way, I thought all along the 136 extension is a cheapskate solution when the North Peckham area really needs a link into the west end. Rerouting the 139 from Trafalgar Square via the 12 to Walworth Road and then via the 343 route to Peckham would have been much better. The 13 could have been extended to Waterloo to compensate. The 21 and 453 can swap southern termini to provide a direct link between Elephant & Castle and Lewisham.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2016 16:27:44 GMT
The problem is that the 136 is often quite well loaded by the time it gets to Southampton Way, I thought all along the 136 extension is a cheapskate solution when the North Peckham area really needs a link into the west end. Rerouting the 139 from Trafalgar Square via the 12 to Walworth Road and then via the 343 route to Peckham would have been much better. The 13 could have been extended to Waterloo to compensate. The 21 and 453 can swap southern termini to provide a direct link between Elephant & Castle and Lewisham. And thus making the 139 unreliable in the process. In all honesty, if the Aylesbury Estate really needs a West End link and I feel it's a big if, then divert the 343 at Elephant though that means that the area loses the important Guys Hospital link in the process. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 21, 2016 16:42:11 GMT
I only asked for a bit of feedback [1] on buses through North Peckham not a repeat of much debated route options that have been to death on here many times over. I think we can safely conclude TfL won't be putting any more investment into the area following recent changes to the 42 and new deckers due for the 63/363.  [1] thanks to those who provided some. |
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Post by sid on Oct 21, 2016 16:56:06 GMT
The problem is that the 136 is often quite well loaded by the time it gets to Southampton Way, I thought all along the 136 extension is a cheapskate solution when the North Peckham area really needs a link into the west end. Rerouting the 139 from Trafalgar Square via the 12 to Walworth Road and then via the 343 route to Peckham would have been much better. The 13 could have been extended to Waterloo to compensate. The 21 and 453 can swap southern termini to provide a direct link between Elephant & Castle and Lewisham. And thus making the 139 unreliable in the process. In all honesty, if the Aylesbury Estate really needs a West End link and I feel it's a big if, then divert the 343 at Elephant though that means that the area loses the important Guys Hospital link in the process. I'm not sure it would make the 139 particularly unreliable, the problem is the 136 obviously only goes to E&C and turfs off more people to join the morning masses for onward travel and so is only really a sticky plaster solution. That said I'm sure the link from North Peckham to Lewisham is useful. |
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