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Post by DT 11 on Jun 10, 2015 9:57:57 GMT
The N47 is to become the N199 anyways. It does not need to go to Sidcup as the route will be going back on itself and more lengthy. No point in them going via PRH because then certain trips will be lost between Bromley Common Via Petts Wood... Sidcup already have the 321 and Sidcup is dead... I know about the N199 but I think it should go to Sidcup, it's only down the road from St Mary Cray and also offers a connection to the 321 It may well just be down the road, but will increase journey times. The N199 is going to be slightly longer than the current N47, I imagine it will be 23 Miles so it should remain with the current terminus. It does not need to go further to go back on itself by an extension to Sidcup... The 321 already provides enough service. |
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Post by Connor on Jun 10, 2015 10:05:19 GMT
I know about the N199 but I think it should go to Sidcup, it's only down the road from St Mary Cray and also offers a connection to the 321 It may well just be down the road, but will increase journey times. The N199 is going to be slightly longer than the current N47, I imagine it will be 23 Miles so it should remain with the current terminus. It does not need to go further to go back on itself by an extension to Sidcup... The 321 already provides enough service. Or just create an N321 that terminates at Orpington Station rather than Foots Cray. |
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Post by sid on Jun 10, 2015 10:24:25 GMT
I know about the N199 but I think it should go to Sidcup, it's only down the road from St Mary Cray and also offers a connection to the 321 It may well just be down the road, but will increase journey times. The N199 is going to be slightly longer than the current N47, I imagine it will be 23 Miles so it should remain with the current terminus. It does not need to go further to go back on itself by an extension to Sidcup... The 321 already provides enough service. Well we'll just have to agree to differ, Connors suggestion of extending the N321 to Orpington is an alternative idea |
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Post by sid on Jun 10, 2015 10:27:34 GMT
Looking at the bigger picture it is an extension of 5-10minutes that will make a lot more journeys possible. For example at the moment if you wanted to go from Orpington to Eltham at night it would mean going via Lewisham. Then so it has do be done...  . The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead. Most night routes are likely to be quiet when they get to their outer terminus although there may be a case for extending the N136 the short distance to Queen Marys hospital? The last N136 from Chislehurst often picks up quite a few people before it reaches Grove Park |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 10, 2015 10:39:25 GMT
Then so it has do be done... . The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead. Most night routes are likely to be quiet when they get to their outer terminus although there may be a case for extending the N136 the short distance to Queen Marys hospital? The last N136 from Chislehurst often picks up quite a few people before it reaches Grove Park In your eyes every Hospital needs a Night Service. I'm sure they manage lol |
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Post by Connor on Jun 10, 2015 15:37:10 GMT
Looking at the bigger picture it is an extension of 5-10minutes that will make a lot more journeys possible. For example at the moment if you wanted to go from Orpington to Eltham at night it would mean going via Lewisham. Then so it has do be done... . The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead. LOOOL everywhere is dead  (even Welling) |
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 10, 2015 18:48:21 GMT
Then so it has do be done... . The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead. LOOOL everywhere is dead (even Welling) Lol.. Whats in Chislehurst apart from Sainsbury's though lol. |
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Post by jay38a on Jun 10, 2015 20:05:42 GMT
I know about the N199 but I think it should go to Sidcup, it's only down the road from St Mary Cray and also offers a connection to the 321 It may well just be down the road, but will increase journey times. The N199 is going to be slightly longer than the current N47, I imagine it will be 23 Miles so it should remain with the current terminus. It does not need to go further to go back on itself by an extension to Sidcup... The 321 already provides enough service. At 23 miles the N199 will become Londons longest route, overtaking the X26/N89 which are both 21 miles long. I wonder too if TB will get any allocation on the N199, as TL will have a 24 hour 47 to contend with too. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 10, 2015 21:58:11 GMT
Then so it has do be done... . The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead. LOOOL everywhere is dead (even Welling) R.I.P. Sidcup and Welling, your in our thoughts lool. |
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Post by Paul on Jun 10, 2015 23:26:09 GMT
I wonder too if TB will get any allocation on the N199, as TL will have a 24 hour 47 to contend with too. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind a once in a while crack at the N199  |
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 11, 2015 8:40:11 GMT
I'll post gradually on this thread, as I have a lot of thoughts, but as night services have been mentioned, I'll start there.
People have mentioned above that places such as Orpington, Chislehurst, Welling etc. are quiet at night, and that's true : compared to many parts of London, South East London's nightlife is rather spread out across a wider area. You could make a case for Blackheath/Greenwich, Bexleyheath, Bromley, Bluewater and of course North Greenwich having a more organised night scene, but even they pale compared to places like Kingston, which is very much a magnet for South West London at night.
Makes serving the area more difficult. We have 132 and 486 coming soon as Fri-Sat night services, I think reasonable cases can be made for night services on 96, 161, 261, 269, 422. Otherwise, I'd say the night network is OK.
The day network is another thing altogether, I'll get to that in due course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 8:45:44 GMT
I wonder too if TB will get any allocation on the N199, as TL will have a 24 hour 47 to contend with too. That would be nice. I wouldn't mind a once in a while crack at the N199 An extension of the (N)321 to Orpington is a good idea - although I agree that whole part of SE London is pretty quiet at night. A night service on the 54,75,122 & 227 would be good. Beckenham has quite a lively night life at weekends, with a huge demand for mini cabs currently. As many have suggested previously, an extension of either the 249 or 432 to Elmers End and the extension of the 176 to Anerley Stn via Croydon Rd & Anerley Rd would be good - getting rid of current stand arrangements at Penge Croydon Rd. Personally I would like the 2 to get back to Crystal Palace. |
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Post by Connor on Jun 11, 2015 10:43:46 GMT
LOOOL everywhere is dead (even Welling) Lol.. Whats in Chislehurst apart from Sainsbury's though lol. Many, many schools. Not that that's relevant in terms of extending night buses. I would like the 661 have an extra journey though, it gets very busy at Chislehurst. |
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Post by 700101 on Jun 11, 2015 11:26:22 GMT
Retaining the N47 but diverting it after Catford via route 202 to Sydenham then via route 75 to Croydon would be useful
Also I could see TB having a joint allocation with TL for the new N199
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Post by vjaska on Jun 11, 2015 12:29:08 GMT
That would be nice. I wouldn't mind a once in a while crack at the N199 An extension of the (N)321 to Orpington is a good idea - although I agree that whole part of SE London is pretty quiet at night. A night service on the 54,75,122 & 227 would be good. Beckenham has quite a lively night life at weekends, with a huge demand for mini cabs currently. As many have suggested previously, an extension of either the 249 or 432 to Elmers End and the extension of the 176 to Anerley Stn via Croydon Rd & Anerley Rd would be good - getting rid of current stand arrangements at Penge Croydon Rd. Personally I would like the 2 to get back to Crystal Palace. The only ideas I don't like here is the 2 & 176. The reason being is traffic conditions in Central London on both routes are a nightmare ignoring the roadworks both routes have to currently contend with and extensions could hit both routes in terms of reliability. I would love to see the 2 return to Crystal Palace but not if it means the rest of the route suffers. |
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. The closer you get to Central London, the more Night Routes you come across going to other places... Just think of it as taking the Mainline Railways... There does not need to be a Night Route to everywhere... Sidcup is dead. The N136 goes to Chislehurst, it actually carries little amounts of passengers between Grove Park & Chislehurst... Chislehurst is dead.
(even Welling)
