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Post by routew15 on Oct 22, 2022 9:15:18 GMT
I think 129 is going in the wrong direction. I think it needs to serve the Barking Road, if not all the way to East Ham, at least to Upton Park Boleyn. I am not a fan of the ‘all around the houses nature’ of the proposed extension. it has the qualities of a single decker local route not a double decker cross river route. If the route does end up going to Gallions Reach it will most likely be latent. If TfL are to be believed then the Royal Docks area should be looked into in the next tranche of extensions through the tunnel.
I would like to see the X239 continue to Bromley. Standing at Bromley North (if there is space) could work well as there are plenty of routes to connect to for onward travel. However without more bus priority measures along this route it seems unlikely.
It is disappointing that this looks to be the initial offering of routes.
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 22, 2022 11:06:16 GMT
Another route along North Woolwich road to City Airport? TfL are really over bussing the Custom House and Silvertown area without much thought or better links. There’s so much gentrification in East London with all the fancy riverside nonsense - not sure why TfL love sending buses all around these areas which end up being lightly used. You say that, but I have been floating around the Royal Docks this past fortnight and do see punters late at night putting the 241 extension to Royal Wharf to use. And surprise surprise, most of them do not board from Custom House or Prince Regent but further afield (most likely Stratford/Westfield). It is the job of a transport authority like TfL to plan for journeys and travel patterns. I just hope there is no negative judgement on the individuals they now have to plan for... |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2022 11:19:28 GMT
There’s so much gentrification in East London with all the fancy riverside nonsense - not sure why TfL love sending buses all around these areas which end up being lightly used. You say that, but I have been floating around the Royal Docks this past fortnight and do see punters late at night putting the 241 extension to Royal Wharf to use. And surprise surprise, most of them do not board from Custom House or Prince Regent but further afield (most likely Stratford/Westfield). It is the job of a transport authority like TfL to plan for journeys and travel patterns. I just hope there is no negative judgement on the individuals they now have to plan for... Similarly the same is said for the Goblin extension down there too. It's carrying very healthy loads, and the ELT routes still arrive into Barking packed to the rafters from the Riverside every morning. The houses popping up there don't have car parking in most cases so the buses get very heavily used. |
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Post by WH241 on Oct 22, 2022 11:27:02 GMT
Another route along North Woolwich road to City Airport? TfL are really over bussing the Custom House and Silvertown area without much thought or better links. There’s so much gentrification in East London with all the fancy riverside nonsense - not sure why TfL love sending buses all around these areas which end up being lightly used. Exactly this! I still see the 241 lots despite the rerouting and don’t buy the argument it’s being used from other places further away than Custom House! Most buses empty out by Freemasons Road and carry fresh air! The 241 and 304 are and likely will be the least successful changes and will probably be adjusted further down the line. |
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Post by ronnie on Oct 22, 2022 11:52:19 GMT
I’m disappointed at the lack of deep connections north of the river. Would be good to have something like the 69 extended to North Greenwich or Charlton. This seems like a big scale back from initial proposals. I was at the O2 last Saturday and departing buses were very busy at around 8pm. I’ve seen a lot more packed out buses these days…seems like bus travel is set to return to pre-covid levels, which makes scale backs seem a little premature. I quite like this idea frankly. In my view there need to be 4 routes through the tunnel if possible: - one east London route extended to North Greenwich (69/330/241) - one south / south east London route extended north but not by a huge amount (129 to north woolwich / city airport / beckton?) - one route which is roughly equal north / south (335 going to forest gate / Wanstead?) - one express route The express route (X132 / X261) can be Bromley south - Bromley north - 261 LOR to Lee Green - 202 LOR to Blackheath village - 89 LOR to shooters hill sun in the sands - 132 LOR to North Greenwich - silver town tunnel - Canning Town. Alternatively baring road - south circular - Clifton roundabout - sidcup road - kidbrooke park road - 132 LOR to North Greenwich from Thomas Tallis school / dover patrol - then as above OR even dive through chinbrook - mottingham - Eltham - then the 132 LOR |
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Post by TB123 on Oct 22, 2022 12:06:36 GMT
I’m disappointed at the lack of deep connections north of the river. Would be good to have something like the 69 extended to North Greenwich or Charlton. This seems like a big scale back from initial proposals. I was at the O2 last Saturday and departing buses were very busy at around 8pm. I’ve seen a lot more packed out buses these days…seems like bus travel is set to return to pre-covid levels, which makes scale backs seem a little premature. I quite like this idea frankly. In my view there need to be 4 routes through the tunnel if possible: - one east London route extended to North Greenwich (69/330/241) - one south / south east London route extended north but not by a huge amount (129 to north woolwich / city airport / beckton?) - one route which is roughly equal north / south (335 going to forest gate / Wanstead?) - one express route The express route (X132 / X261) can be Bromley south - Bromley north - 261 LOR to Lee Green - 202 LOR to Blackheath village - 89 LOR to shooters hill sun in the sands - 132 LOR to North Greenwich - silver town tunnel - Canning Town. Alternatively baring road - south circular - Clifton roundabout - sidcup road - kidbrooke park road - 132 LOR to North Greenwich from Thomas Tallis school / dover patrol - then as above OR even dive through chinbrook - mottingham - Eltham - then the 132 LOR It's planned to build up the tunnel routes over time. Think 5bph on each of 129 and x239 is intitial plan |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2022 12:10:48 GMT
I’m disappointed at the lack of deep connections north of the river. Would be good to have something like the 69 extended to North Greenwich or Charlton. This seems like a big scale back from initial proposals. I was at the O2 last Saturday and departing buses were very busy at around 8pm. I’ve seen a lot more packed out buses these days…seems like bus travel is set to return to pre-covid levels, which makes scale backs seem a little premature. I quite like this idea frankly. In my view there need to be 4 routes through the tunnel if possible: - one east London route extended to North Greenwich (69/330/241) - one south / south east London route extended north but not by a huge amount (129 to north woolwich / city airport / beckton?) - one route which is roughly equal north / south (335 going to forest gate / Wanstead?) - one express route The express route (X132 / X261) can be Bromley south - Bromley north - 261 LOR to Lee Green - 202 LOR to Blackheath village - 89 LOR to shooters hill sun in the sands - 132 LOR to North Greenwich - silver town tunnel - Canning Town. Alternatively baring road - south circular - Clifton roundabout - sidcup road - kidbrooke park road - 132 LOR to North Greenwich from Thomas Tallis school / dover patrol - then as above OR even dive through chinbrook - mottingham - Eltham - then the 132 LOR The 147 would probably be a good option to sent through the tunnel, it would provide the link further East rather than abandoning everyone in a retail park like the 129 suggestion. Notably Stratford has the 108 so I don't know if the 241/69 would be much use going to a similar area. The 335 could go to Wanstead, however the question is how? It would effectively end up being a complete duplicate of the 330 north of the river, that continues slightly further. Could however remedy that by withdrawing the 330 altogether and simply looping the 241 back around to Canning Town. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 22, 2022 12:11:46 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Oct 22, 2022 12:16:02 GMT
I quite like this idea frankly. In my view there need to be 4 routes through the tunnel if possible: - one east London route extended to North Greenwich (69/330/241) - one south / south east London route extended north but not by a huge amount (129 to north woolwich / city airport / beckton?) - one route which is roughly equal north / south (335 going to forest gate / Wanstead?) - one express route The express route (X132 / X261) can be Bromley south - Bromley north - 261 LOR to Lee Green - 202 LOR to Blackheath village - 89 LOR to shooters hill sun in the sands - 132 LOR to North Greenwich - silver town tunnel - Canning Town. Alternatively baring road - south circular - Clifton roundabout - sidcup road - kidbrooke park road - 132 LOR to North Greenwich from Thomas Tallis school / dover patrol - then as above OR even dive through chinbrook - mottingham - Eltham - then the 132 LOR The 147 would probably be a good option to sent through the tunnel, it would provide the link further East rather than abandoning everyone in a retail park like the 129 suggestion. Notably Stratford has the 108 so I don't know if the 241/69 would be much use going to a similar area. The 335 could go to Wanstead, however the question is how? It would effectively end up being a complete duplicate of the 330 north of the river, that continues slightly further. Could however remedy that by withdrawing the 330 altogether and simply looping the 241 back around to Canning Town. The 147 is ridiculously busy and prone to delays so personally would be against extending this route. Could extend the 241 through the tunnel and send the 129 to Canning Town Station instead of Beckton? Could extend the 304 from Custom House via Keir Hardie to the tunnel and onwards. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 22, 2022 12:24:02 GMT
The 147 would probably be a good option to sent through the tunnel, it would provide the link further East rather than abandoning everyone in a retail park like the 129 suggestion. Notably Stratford has the 108 so I don't know if the 241/69 would be much use going to a similar area. The 335 could go to Wanstead, however the question is how? It would effectively end up being a complete duplicate of the 330 north of the river, that continues slightly further. Could however remedy that by withdrawing the 330 altogether and simply looping the 241 back around to Canning Town. The 147 is ridiculously busy and prone to delays so personally would be against extending this route. Could extend the 241 through the tunnel and send the 129 to Canning Town Station instead of Beckton? Could extend the 304 from Custom House via Keir Hardie to the tunnel and onwards. That actually makes a lot of sense TBH - would bring extra custom to the 241 as well as potential new links |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 22, 2022 12:38:22 GMT
The 147 would probably be a good option to sent through the tunnel, it would provide the link further East rather than abandoning everyone in a retail park like the 129 suggestion. Notably Stratford has the 108 so I don't know if the 241/69 would be much use going to a similar area. The 335 could go to Wanstead, however the question is how? It would effectively end up being a complete duplicate of the 330 north of the river, that continues slightly further. Could however remedy that by withdrawing the 330 altogether and simply looping the 241 back around to Canning Town. The 147 is ridiculously busy and prone to delays so personally would be against extending this route. Could extend the 241 through the tunnel and send the 129 to Canning Town Station instead of Beckton? Could extend the 304 from Custom House via Keir Hardie to the tunnel and onwards. The issue the 241 again would just keep the links to the Stratford area which the 108 already does, the proposed 129 would go to a similar area. The 147 would go towards Ilford which would provide new links as opposed to keeping all the proposed links within Newham. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 22, 2022 12:43:18 GMT
I think 129 is going in the wrong direction. I think it needs to serve the Barking Road, if not all the way to East Ham, at least to Upton Park Boleyn. I am not a fan of the ‘all around the houses nature’ of the proposed extension. it has the qualities of a single decker local route not a double decker cross river route. If the route does end up going to Gallions Reach it will most likely be latent. If TfL are to be believed then the Royal Docks area should be looked into in the next tranche of extensions through the tunnel. I would like to see the X239 continue to Bromley. Standing at Bromley North (if there is space) could work well as there are plenty of routes to connect to for onward travel. However without more bus priority measures along this route it seems unlikely. It is disappointing that this looks to be the initial offering of routes. Maybe the Bromley North branch could be converted into a guided busway for the X239? |
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Post by Paul on Oct 22, 2022 13:28:17 GMT
I would like to see the X239 continue to Bromley. Standing at Bromley North (if there is space) could work well as there are plenty of routes to connect to for onward travel. However without more bus priority measures along this route it seems unlikely There’s very little stand space at Bromley North even without Go Ahead’s fleet of ferry vehicles being parked there all day. I would welcome the X239 heading down to Bromley though - support between Grove Park and Bromley would be very welcome but even if there was space at Bromley North terminating a service there from the Grove Park direction missed out the shops unless you dive along Farwig Lane and come around the Market Square. I would suggest booting the 126 off the Ringers Road stand and sending it down to the unused Simpsons Road stand and terminating the X239 in the High Street |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 22, 2022 20:54:23 GMT
I think 129 is going in the wrong direction. I think it needs to serve the Barking Road, if not all the way to East Ham, at least to Upton Park Boleyn. I am not a fan of the ‘all around the houses nature’ of the proposed extension. it has the qualities of a single decker local route not a double decker cross river route. If the route does end up going to Gallions Reach it will most likely be latent. If TfL are to be believed then the Royal Docks area should be looked into in the next tranche of extensions through the tunnel. I would like to see the X239 continue to Bromley. Standing at Bromley North (if there is space) could work well as there are plenty of routes to connect to for onward travel. However without more bus priority measures along this route it seems unlikely. It is disappointing that this looks to be the initial offering of routes. Maybe the Bromley North branch could be converted into a guided busway for the X239? Would be quite expensive though. Plus I’m not sure the roads being bypassed (Burnt Ash Lane and College Road) would deliver much time saving |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 23, 2022 11:29:37 GMT
Maybe the Bromley North branch could be converted into a guided busway for the X239? Would be quite expensive though. Plus I’m not sure the roads being bypassed (Burnt Ash Lane and College Road) would deliver much time saving Yes it probably would be difficult to justify the costs for a relatively low time saving, a guided busway is just about the only thing that hasn't been suggested for the Bromley North branch. |
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