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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 16, 2020 14:44:59 GMT
They might as well rename the Tube Map to something else now.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 16, 2020 15:12:49 GMT
Anyone notice how squashed Herne Hill, Tulse Hill & Streatham are
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Post by route53 on Dec 16, 2020 15:28:12 GMT
They might as well rename the Tube Map to something else now. At this point they may as well, the moment they added the Cable Car it stopped being a tube map, I cans get the inclusion of the DLR and The Overground as being on a traditional tube map, since they’re both metros, and the Overground actually operates over a line that was once part of the tube network
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Post by vjaska on Dec 16, 2020 17:15:24 GMT
They might as well rename the Tube Map to something else now. At this point they may as well, the moment they added the Cable Car it stopped being a tube map, I cans get the inclusion of the DLR and The Overground as being on a traditional tube map, since they’re both metros, and the Overground actually operates over a line that was once part of the tube network It technically wasn't a tube map back in the day as Thameslink & the Moorgate line were on the tube map until TfL came about. The best thing to do is merge it into the London Rail map
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Post by richard on Dec 16, 2020 17:27:13 GMT
Long overdue I'm sort of surprised that it took this long to get the line on the map. Hopefully when things get to sort of pre covid levels it may take some pressure off the Northern Line.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 16, 2020 17:35:16 GMT
Long overdue I'm sort of surprised that it took this long to get the line on the map. Hopefully when things get to sort of pre covid levels it may take some pressure off the Northern Line. It is only said to be a temporary measure to help people get around as a COVID measure and will be reassessed in 2021 Why would TfL want to promote something that is likely to take away a vitally important revenue stream.
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Post by richard on Dec 16, 2020 23:50:45 GMT
Long overdue I'm sort of surprised that it took this long to get the line on the map. Hopefully when things get to sort of pre covid levels it may take some pressure off the Northern Line. It is only said to be a temporary measure to help people get around as a COVID measure and will be reassessed in 2021 Why would TfL want to promote something that is likely to take away a vitally important revenue stream. Well that was the whole point of the Theamslink Programme to ease congestion on the Northern Line.
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Post by thekbq14 on Dec 18, 2020 4:30:26 GMT
At this point they may as well, the moment they added the Cable Car it stopped being a tube map, I cans get the inclusion of the DLR and The Overground as being on a traditional tube map, since they’re both metros, and the Overground actually operates over a line that was once part of the tube network It technically wasn't a tube map back in the day as Thameslink & the Moorgate line were on the tube map until TfL came about. The best thing to do is merge it into the London Rail map I agree with this. As this is what the tube map is slowly becoming and if Tfl ever get there wish and take over London Suburban train services to the Overground then the current tube map will be crowded and a big mess. Don't get me wrong in this state I've always believed Thameslink should be on the tube map especially as it has unique routes in Zone 1 with St Pancras to Blackfriars and a quicker alternative to the northern line. Also gives faster options to South London to places such as Greenwich and Croydon for example which previously have the slower DLR and Overground alternatives. That a lot of regular passengers miss out because they don't know that it is there. What I think should happen is that there should be a rebranding of London rail maps in my opinion as it is getting very cluttered. Each map except for the London rail map should be exclusive to there rail mode and any interchange stations. Similar to how the current Overground, DLR and Tram maps are done now. Also believe that all OSI's should be shown. Connection maps as well similar to the ones on the DLR and London Underground Zone 1 for each rail mode as well similar to the ones shown on Southern trains. Faint small numbers in between on each line distance between each station walking distance in minutes possibly. Here's a list of other examples for each. - Current London Connections Map/London Rail and Tube Service Map - Merge with the Current Tube Map to be the actual London Rail Map this will be the main London Rail map like the current Tube Map is now showing all the Railways that serve London everywhere (GLA Boundary and all Oyster/Contactless Zones - All of Underground, Overground, DLR, Trams, Crossrail, Thameslink(Only as far as Luton Airport Parkway and Gatwick Airport)) Be used all across the network
- London Underground/Tube Map - To be rebranded as actually only having London Underground stations and lines on it. (All lines and stations).
- London Overground map - Colour code routes like on DLR and trams - Name of different lines should be listed actually named to avoid confusion e.g. GOBLIN, South London, East London, North London names reinstated for example. Overground brand should be used for trains crossing through London not terminating.
- Trams map - No change (A part from route name and colours being listed at the bottom)
- DLR Map - No change (A part from route name and colours being listed at the bottom)
- Old Tfl Rail/Crossrail Map and Thameslink services - This should happen when Crossrail opens as a fully fledged route similar to the other mode of rail transports have on it's map as the services here cross through Central London whilst using main rail lines and use a similar pattern to each other. with a core section being in use. Difference being Thameslink being North to South and Crossrail east to west. Only issue with this will be that Crossrail will be Tfl operated and Thameslink NR operated but a similar comprise like the one done today or Merseyrail with them and Northern could be sorted. Also Thameslink serving areas as vast as Peterborough and Brighton however I believe that this can both be shown as this wouldn't be a crowded map unlike the main London map. Also have Elizabeth Line the name of the actual Line and not mode which it seems like they're doing now with the whole roundel that should be left to Crossrail. Crossrail 2 can have a different name whenever that comes out and be added to this map/mode. Milton Keynes to South Croydon route could either be added to this map or London Overground one if ever taken over but of an odd route as Milton Keynes is way out of London but then it doesn't cross through Central London unlike Crossrail or Thameslink.
- New Tfl Rail Mode Map - This will be the left over of suburban rail services from London Overground that terminate in zone 1 and any of the Great Northern, Southern, Southeastern or South Western Railway trains that are taken over. So this will include current Watford DC, West Anglia train services, Romford-Upminster and Greenford shuttle if taken over. This is because they have a different purpose to the rest of the Overground, a different stopping pattern and timetable too. I also feel like the original aim of Overground taking traffic away from Zone 1 and ran as an orbital link has been diluted and lost with recent changes. This might cause confusion too as the current Tfl Rail will become Crossrail and it's contract is set different to the Overground, but I think the name, the logo and even moquette are perfect for this brand as they're pretty much Crossrail/Thameslink trains that don't go as far into the centre of town or as far out as they do essentially.
And another rebranding with Zones as there shouldn't be a situation where they are now where zones have now run out with the recent Crossrail, Great Northern and Thameslink additions having to be contactless only again not everyone has this form of payment. Although I do understand Govia have there The Key system as well. It should just be done in mileage just do from Charing Cross as that's supposedly the centre of London with 6 zones roughly being divided equally to incorporate the GLA area as places such as Chigwell in Essex shouldn't be in Zone 4 even though the local council from what I know subsidise these fares this could be done in another way whilst places such as East Croydon and Bromley South both in London big areas as well compared to Chigwell are in Zone 5, this doesn't even make sense as Bromley North walking distance being in Zone 4 which will no doubt cause confusion. And then you have the situation with the Stratford International branch on the DLR being in Zone 2/3 which is questionable to name a few. However I know there will be confusion with passengers in the sudden change of prices but with Tfl being broke this would be a perfect time to restructure zones and maps in my personal opinion.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 18, 2020 9:27:17 GMT
It is only said to be a temporary measure to help people get around as a COVID measure and will be reassessed in 2021 Why would TfL want to promote something that is likely to take away a vitally important revenue stream. Well that was the whole point of the Theamslink Programme to ease congestion on the Northern Line. That is maybe, but is still the archrival for badly needed revenue streams. How many organisations promote direct competitors? It is there to compete, why help it?
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Post by Dillon95 on Dec 23, 2020 15:18:41 GMT
Time to get rid of the tube map and just use the one with National Rail on it.
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Post by snowman on Dec 23, 2020 16:14:01 GMT
Time to get rid of the tube map and just use the one with National Rail on it. Totally agree, and if was my decision would be two versions, a Central London map with tourist attractions on it, and an all London map. But not a tube plus selection of lines as at present. It is daft low frequency ends of tube lines are shown, by high frequency rail routes (eg Waterloo - Raynes Park) are omitted
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Post by 700101 on Dec 23, 2020 17:39:22 GMT
A small correction, Kings Cross no longer sign 700's nor are they destined to sign through the core, Hornsey are due to sign down to 3 Bridges. Cambridge are split into two links Brighton Link and Maidstone. Route Learning has yet to be agreed for Welwyn & Hornsey to sign SEVENOAKS & THREE BRIDGES respectively. Quick question does anyone know what stations thameslink will call at when it goes to Ashford and whether it will use the thameslink platforms at London Bridge? At London Bridge it will use platforms 4/5 and after LBG will call at Swanley, Otford, Borough Green & Wrotham, West Mailing, Maidstone East, Bearsted & Ashford (diversion routes will be via Elephant & Bromley South to line of route at Swanley and also via Orpington & Paddock Wood) usually when SE divert there Ashford services they additionally call at Sevenoaks & Paddock Wood not to sure if TL will do the same if needed but these stations offer connections to some Maidstone line stations so I’m gathering they may also do so if/when needed to
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 23, 2020 17:55:20 GMT
Quick question does anyone know what stations thameslink will call at when it goes to Ashford and whether it will use the thameslink platforms at London Bridge? At London Bridge it will use platforms 4/5 and after LBG will call at Swanley, Otford, Borough Green & Wrotham, West Mailing, Maidstone East, Bearsted & Ashford (diversion routes will be via Elephant & Bromley South to line of route at Swanley and also via Orpington & Paddock Wood) usually when SE divert there Ashford services they additionally call at Sevenoaks & Paddock Wood not to sure if TL will do the same if needed but these stations offer connections to some Maidstone line stations so I’m gathering they may also do so if/when needed to Oh alright cheers for that. My only thing is how will it navigate around the flyunder around the bermondsey area as TL has it's own tracks.
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Post by 700101 on Dec 23, 2020 19:41:57 GMT
At London Bridge it will use platforms 4/5 and after LBG will call at Swanley, Otford, Borough Green & Wrotham, West Mailing, Maidstone East, Bearsted & Ashford (diversion routes will be via Elephant & Bromley South to line of route at Swanley and also via Orpington & Paddock Wood) usually when SE divert there Ashford services they additionally call at Sevenoaks & Paddock Wood not to sure if TL will do the same if needed but these stations offer connections to some Maidstone line stations so I’m gathering they may also do so if/when needed to Oh alright cheers for that. My only thing is how will it navigate around the flyunder around the bermondsey area as TL has it's own tracks. There’s a set of tracks just before the flyover which the Rainham services use for access to North Kent Junction area in to SE land, when the Rainham services divert through lewisham they crossover to the slow lines via New Cross, also last year when TL diverted there Orpington services through Hither Green they also used the slow lines after North Kent Junction which is what I’m gathering will happen with the Maidstone/Ashford services www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/tl-lbg-1#T_LNDNBDCIf you look just before the TL services uses the flyover you will see the set of tracks which diverge in to SE land, Northbound services use the flyunder just after North Kent Junction, have a look around 20/50 past the hour you will see the 9P’s using these routes (these are the times they past each other in this area)
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Post by mkay315 on Dec 23, 2020 20:54:55 GMT
Oh alright cheers for that. My only thing is how will it navigate around the flyunder around the bermondsey area as TL has it's own tracks. There’s a set of tracks just before the flyover which the Rainham services use for access to North Kent Junction area in to SE land, when the Rainham services divert through lewisham they crossover to the slow lines via New Cross, also last year when TL diverted there Orpington services through Hither Green they also used the slow lines after North Kent Junction which is what I’m gathering will happen with the Maidstone/Ashford services www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/tl-lbg-1#T_LNDNBDCIf you look just before the TL services uses the flyover you will see the set of tracks which diverge in to SE land, Northbound services use the flyunder just after North Kent Junction, have a look around 20/50 past the hour you will see the 9P’s using these routes (these are the times they past each other in this area) Thank you so much for this. I appreciate it.
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