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Post by snoggle on Sept 14, 2016 9:07:14 GMT
Suggestion to sort the 192 debacle Run the 192 as is between Enfield Town and Edmonton Green, and then divert via Church St and Victoria Road to Middlessex Hospital. This provides a link between Enfield and Middlessex Hosiptal as well as serving Victoria Road for its entire length. New route 392 with double deckers Walthamstow to Enfield Town Southbury Road, Great Cambridge Road, Bury Street, Edmonton Green and then the current 192 route to Tottenham Hale, then either route 123 to the The Bell Corner and Hoe Street, or route 230 to Walthamstow Central..... Not sure which is the best way to run into Walthamstow as both routes have their own issues. Walthamstow Bus station is pretty busy so may not fit, so may be best to approach from Hoe Street to run to South Grove to stand. Both routes could run every 10 or 12 mins Mon-Sat and 15 minutes evenings and Sunday's. Any thoughts? Similar proposals have been suggested several times. Great minds and all that .... I'll have it run via Bell Corner and Forest Rd (he says selfishly ) We can't have yet another route going via Blackhorse Rd / South Grove as the W11 will be going that way. I am sceptical double deckers could fit round the back roads of Edmonton Green to Montagu Road to be honest. It's pretty tight at times with the Streetlites. I don't think we will be seeing much investment in more capacity on the 192 corridor given £50m is being spent on the STAR rail service. Obviously it doesn't solve all the issues but I can't see TfL diluting that scheme's benefits by running loads of extra buses. I don't think we will see any changes in the area until parts of the Meridian Water housing scheme open when I expect the 34 and 444 will be subject to rerouting and the 192 might be truncated at the new Meridian Water station rather than reaching T Hale. If we are ever to see a direct Walthamstow - Enfield bus service I suspect it will run along the A406 (as the 34 does) rather than Forest Rd to the south.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jan 20, 2017 21:13:28 GMT
Had enough of route 192
Complaint to TfL submitted
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 20, 2017 22:48:14 GMT
Had enough of route 192 Complaint to TfL submitted Not surprised... There will be no PVR increases as the cupboard is bare. 4 extra buses in the rush hour would make all the difference. Wonder if the bus was sent on ahead to Angel Road to pick up from by Ikea?
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Post by redwave on Jan 21, 2017 0:03:53 GMT
The 248 Romford - Upminster has just had 2 extra buses added to the PVR. I'd imagine that outer London routes are more likely to get increases at the expense of slight reductions in frequency of central routes.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 21, 2017 0:43:49 GMT
Had enough of route 192 Complaint to TfL submitted Well if the driver did stop one stop before, it would show up on the ibus data. So when TfL do query it, it would be hard for them to prove the bus served the station. If you submitted the letter, then this would be used against Go-Ahead and they wouldn't really have a leg to stand for and would class as a curtailment and would also miss out on the Tottenham Hale QSI point. In this case I am not sure if it is down to the driver, but if so, very flipping lazy to be honest.
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Post by ibus246 on Jan 21, 2017 0:49:55 GMT
Had enough of route 192 Complaint to TfL submitted So what are you hoping the reply to state? We all know it will be the usual template "sorry etc...... And we'll monitor the route" as Server King says the cupboard is bare for any actual action to happen
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Route 192
Jan 21, 2017 6:54:41 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 21, 2017 6:54:41 GMT
Had enough of route 192 Complaint to TfL submitted Well if the driver did stop one stop before, it would show up on the ibus data. So when TfL do query it, it would be hard for them to prove the bus served the station. If you submitted the letter, then this would be used against Go-Ahead and they wouldn't really have a leg to stand for and would class as a curtailment and would also miss out on the Tottenham Hale QSI point. In this case I am not sure if it is down to the driver, but if so, very flipping lazy to be honest. How reliable is the iBus data ... if it is as reliable as the lvf data feed there are many bus that get to within a single digit number of buses stops from the end of the route then seem to vanish into the ether. Sometimes the last recorded bus stop makes no sense when considering running short or turning early
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 21, 2017 11:27:10 GMT
Had enough of route 192 Complaint to TfL submitted So what are you hoping the reply to state? We all know it will be the usual template "sorry etc...... And we'll monitor the route" as Server King says the cupboard is bare for any actual action to happen The Press have gotten wind of the situation, so things could improve this year
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 21, 2017 13:02:37 GMT
Well if the driver did stop one stop before, it would show up on the ibus data. So when TfL do query it, it would be hard for them to prove the bus served the station. If you submitted the letter, then this would be used against Go-Ahead and they wouldn't really have a leg to stand for and would class as a curtailment and would also miss out on the Tottenham Hale QSI point. In this case I am not sure if it is down to the driver, but if so, very flipping lazy to be honest. How reliable is the iBus data ... if it is as reliable as the lvf data feed there are many bus that get to within a single digit number of buses stops from the end of the route then seem to vanish into the ether. Sometimes the last recorded bus stop makes no sense when considering running short or turning early Very reliable, if a bus isn't polling or showing, unless the bus has been reported to TfL technical department; then chances are they would loose mileage. LVF doesn't entirely show everything what may show on the drivers MDT or the controllers ibus screen.
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Jan 23, 2017 14:35:03 GMT
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jan 23, 2017 14:35:03 GMT
TfL reply
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Post by snoggle on Jan 23, 2017 15:12:12 GMT
Remarkably quick response given I sent two E Mails to another part of TfL, one a FOI, and I've not even had an acknowledgement. When I first saw your query I went and checked the timetable and the actual schedule. I'm therefore not surprised to see TfL say there is no journey at the time you quoted - at least not on weekdays. There almost is on a Saturday - 2054 - but I am surprised that M-F and Sat times are not identical at that time of the evening. I note that TfL have left several issues unanswered a) arrival times are not relevant when you were asking about departure times. Buses can and do run oos from T Hale to the garage so an arrival is no guarantee of a departure. b) expecting a service to depart on time is not the same as it actually happening. What are TfL doing to do to ensure "expectations" align with reality? c) nice to see they "regret" the impact on your journey. There is something about that sentence that doesn't sit right with me - borderline smarmy / condescending / insincere. d) I'd ask TfL to reply to you when they get feedback from the operator and bus performance department. Leaving the issue "hanging in the air" is not really good enough and TfL should have offered to share their responses with you.
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Post by T.R. on Jan 23, 2017 18:41:23 GMT
This has probably been suggested before, but have you tried contacting your local MP or London Assembly rep (?) ?
Seems to me that TfL are rather reluctant to throw any sort of resources on the route (I know, budget constraints & whatnot).
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Route 192
Jan 23, 2017 19:02:54 GMT
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jan 23, 2017 19:02:54 GMT
This has probably been suggested before, but have you tried contacting your local MP or London Assembly rep (?) ? Seems to me that TfL are rather reluctant to throw any sort of resources on the route (I know, budget constraints & whatnot). Not sure what is the best way to do it. They don't seem to respond on twitter
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Post by J on Jan 24, 2017 11:57:58 GMT
This has probably been suggested before, but have you tried contacting your local MP or London Assembly rep (?) ? Seems to me that TfL are rather reluctant to throw any sort of resources on the route (I know, budget constraints & whatnot). Not sure what is the best way to do it. They don't seem to respond on twitter As your incident happened at Tottenham Hale, I'm guessing that David Lammy is your MP to contact. All methods for contacting him can be found here: www.davidlammy.co.uk/contact
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Jan 24, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Jan 24, 2017 15:04:07 GMT
Not sure what is the best way to do it. They don't seem to respond on twitter As your incident happened at Tottenham Hale, I'm guessing that David Lammy is your MP to contact. All methods for contacting him can be found here: www.davidlammy.co.uk/contactUnlucky!
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