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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2017 17:22:06 GMT
Good Evening, New user here. When the new tender for the EL routes were announced I wanted to put my views across as I live in the new development in Barking Riverside. Not a fan of the new routemasters as I think they are not particularly suited for the route, my only concern is the routeing between Thames Rd and Mallards Rd during the peaks. Bad parking doesn't help. Only positive change is the quicker journey to Barking station via EL3. I will see how the route performs with EL1/EL3 with the new routemasters in the coming weeks. tangytango.proboards.com/thread/9713/tender-results-29th-july-2016Read at your own risk; there may or may not be a lot of crying at the bus type awarded. If you were to ignore the excessive length of the LT, its 3 doors and 2 staircases would prove useful in reducing dwell times (time spent at bus stops). So give it a couple weeks, Joe & Jenny Public would adapt to the new bus type. Though I find the things ugly (but not as bad as Gemini 3), LTs do come with comfortable seats and a higher standard of care for its (TfL's) buses. I've already ridden a clean EL3; holding onto that image before the clientelle of the area starts trashing buses as if they live in a landfill. And btw, hello neighbour! I noticed that the EL3 was running well which bucks the normal trend of first days of a contract changing hands - shame no WVL's strayed onto the route though.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 19, 2017 17:36:42 GMT
tangytango.proboards.com/thread/9713/tender-results-29th-july-2016Read at your own risk; there may or may not be a lot of crying at the bus type awarded. If you were to ignore the excessive length of the LT, its 3 doors and 2 staircases would prove useful in reducing dwell times (time spent at bus stops). So give it a couple weeks, Joe & Jenny Public would adapt to the new bus type. Though I find the things ugly (but not as bad as Gemini 3), LTs do come with comfortable seats and a higher standard of care for its (TfL's) buses. I've already ridden a clean EL3; holding onto that image before the clientelle of the area starts trashing buses as if they live in a landfill. And btw, hello neighbour! I noticed that the EL3 was running well which bucks the normal trend of first days of a contract changing hands - shame no WVL's strayed onto the route though. Yes, indeed it was actually running quite well. Didn't see a single turn on the route. Have to admit when I did see the state of the traffic at Little Heath I did wonder how long it was going to be until the service collapsed. I don't think the EL3 will see any standard buses for a while. There were loads of LTs lined up in the garage yesterday so should there have been an issue with one LT they'd have probably just sent another out. On that note, looking at the LOTS update it says that the EL1/2 will continue to use WVLs until more LTs are available, if I am interpreting this correctly. Will they wait until they have another 17 LTs ready and convert the EL1/2 overnight one day then repeat the same for the remaining ELT route?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2017 18:47:00 GMT
I noticed that the EL3 was running well which bucks the normal trend of first days of a contract changing hands - shame no WVL's strayed onto the route though. Yes, indeed it was actually running quite well. Didn't see a single turn on the route. Have to admit when I did see the state of the traffic at Little Heath I did wonder how long it was going to be until the service collapsed. I don't think the EL3 will see any standard buses for a while. There were loads of LTs lined up in the garage yesterday so should there have been an issue with one LT they'd have probably just sent another out. On that note, looking at the LOTS update it says that the EL1/2 will continue to use WVLs until more LTs are available, if I am interpreting this correctly. Will they wait until they have another 17 LTs ready and convert the EL1/2 overnight one day then repeat the same for the remaining ELT route? That's Little Heath for you lol - in all seriousness, only exiting the stand seemed quite annoying as well as exiting Little Heath blocked by cars turning right. I heard it will be a phased conversion so I'm guessing they're just waiting for the usual equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:07:47 GMT
I noticed that the EL3 was running well which bucks the normal trend of first days of a contract changing hands - shame no WVL's strayed onto the route though. Yes, indeed it was actually running quite well. Didn't see a single turn on the route. Have to admit when I did see the state of the traffic at Little Heath I did wonder how long it was going to be until the service collapsed. I don't think the EL3 will see any standard buses for a while. There were loads of LTs lined up in the garage yesterday so should there have been an issue with one LT they'd have probably just sent another out. On that note, looking at the LOTS update it says that the EL1/2 will continue to use WVLs until more LTs are available, if I am interpreting this correctly. Will they wait until they have another 17 LTs ready and convert the EL1/2 overnight one day then repeat the same for the remaining ELT route? So I wonder where this will leave the 101? do GAL have enough spare buses elsewhere to use temporarily? The current buses on the EL routes will need new blinds fitting and vinyls removed all this needs to happen in the space of about 6 weeks? guessing the plan was buses to be refurbished at a later date.
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Post by SILENCED on Feb 19, 2017 21:15:28 GMT
Yes, indeed it was actually running quite well. Didn't see a single turn on the route. Have to admit when I did see the state of the traffic at Little Heath I did wonder how long it was going to be until the service collapsed. I don't think the EL3 will see any standard buses for a while. There were loads of LTs lined up in the garage yesterday so should there have been an issue with one LT they'd have probably just sent another out. On that note, looking at the LOTS update it says that the EL1/2 will continue to use WVLs until more LTs are available, if I am interpreting this correctly. Will they wait until they have another 17 LTs ready and convert the EL1/2 overnight one day then repeat the same for the remaining ELT route? So I wonder where this will leave the 101? do GAL have enough spare buses elsewhere to use temporarily? The current buses on the EL routes will need new blinds fitting and vinyls removed all this needs to happen in the space of about 6 weeks? guessing the plan was buses to be refurbished at a later date. 6 weeks! Is that really a problem?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 19, 2017 21:19:55 GMT
So I wonder where this will leave the 101? do GAL have enough spare buses elsewhere to use temporarily? The current buses on the EL routes will need new blinds fitting and vinyls removed all this needs to happen in the space of about 6 weeks? guessing the plan was buses to be refurbished at a later date. 6 weeks! Is that really a problem? Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Feb 19, 2017 21:41:56 GMT
Yes, indeed it was actually running quite well. Didn't see a single turn on the route. Have to admit when I did see the state of the traffic at Little Heath I did wonder how long it was going to be until the service collapsed. I don't think the EL3 will see any standard buses for a while. There were loads of LTs lined up in the garage yesterday so should there have been an issue with one LT they'd have probably just sent another out. On that note, looking at the LOTS update it says that the EL1/2 will continue to use WVLs until more LTs are available, if I am interpreting this correctly. Will they wait until they have another 17 LTs ready and convert the EL1/2 overnight one day then repeat the same for the remaining ELT route? So I wonder where this will leave the 101? do GAL have enough spare buses elsewhere to use temporarily? The current buses on the EL routes will need new blinds fitting and vinyls removed all this needs to happen in the space of about 6 weeks? guessing the plan was buses to be refurbished at a later date. I reckon that the the older PVLs/WVLs (whatever that's withdrawn but not yet sold) may be reinstated onto routes where older blinds are available (the ones with via points) allowing the transfer of newer vehicles with powerblinds to the 101 so that once the fleet for the 101 are ready/refurbished they could swap over. Or they could simply move over WVLs from the 21/ELTs etc and progressively refurbish them, similar to what's happening with the 57s fleet of Es. A highly unlikely scenario would be As PVLs (to move over for the 101 as they are the only old vehicles that have powerblinds) until the new fleet of WVLs are ready.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Feb 19, 2017 21:45:27 GMT
6 weeks! Is that really a problem? Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them. Go Ahead London take over the 101 on the 4th March which under 2 weeks so I wonder what will happen here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 21:54:29 GMT
Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them. Go Ahead London take over the 101 on the 4th March which under 2 weeks so I wonder what will happen here. I had a feeling I might have had the dates wrong.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 19, 2017 21:56:50 GMT
6 weeks! Is that really a problem? Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them. Doesn't make sense as the 321s PVLs seem to have been withdrawn. The WVLs are now for the 321.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 20, 2017 1:30:09 GMT
6 weeks! Is that really a problem? Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them. Buses from the 21?? Those seats are knackered; and if it's 2 weeks till change of operator, then we all know that GAL aren't going to refurbish those buses. The best my poor bum can hope for is the the route gets WVL468-480 as its allocation. The route is awarded with 12 PVR, but I'm sure spare buses from other routes could be used.
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 20, 2017 18:04:35 GMT
Well probably not, however as of late routes that have converted over to LT have taken a very long time to do so. The 21 only finished in January and the 253 took about 2 months to convert as well. From what I have heard, the 101 is now getting the 21s WVLs and the X26 is now getting the Ex ELT buses (confirmation on this would be appreciated). This should give the buses enough time to be relieved from their duties at RR before having their vinyls removed/changed and any other modifications done to them. Buses from the 21?? Those seats are knackered; and if it's 2 weeks till change of operator, then we all know that GAL aren't going to refurbish those buses. The best my poor bum can hope for is the the route gets WVL468-480 as its allocation. The route is awarded with 12 PVR, but I'm sure spare buses from other routes could be used. Go Ahead London have a large amount of buses lined up for refurbishment from contracts starting long before the 101. Very rare for all fleet for a route to be refurbished prior to the new contract.
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Post by snowman on Feb 20, 2017 18:31:07 GMT
Buses from the 21?? Those seats are knackered; and if it's 2 weeks till change of operator, then we all know that GAL aren't going to refurbish those buses. The best my poor bum can hope for is the the route gets WVL468-480 as its allocation. The route is awarded with 12 PVR, but I'm sure spare buses from other routes could be used. Go Ahead London have a large amount of buses lined up for refurbishment from contracts starting long before the 101. Very rare for all fleet for a route to be refurbished prior to the new contract. As an example many of the DOEs for 213 still haven't been refurbished even though contract started 7 - 8 months ago I think if you are under the impression they will be done by contract start date, probably living in dream land
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Post by DT 11 on Feb 20, 2017 18:45:42 GMT
Go Ahead London have a large amount of buses lined up for refurbishment from contracts starting long before the 101. Very rare for all fleet for a route to be refurbished prior to the new contract. As an example many of the DOEs for 213 still haven't been refurbished even though contract started 7 - 8 months ago I think if you are under the impression they will be done by contract start date, probably living in dream land Same with the 129s WVLs. Here are a few recent examples where the buses have all been refurbished before the new contract 64, 252, 347, 365, 368, 469
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Post by vjaska on Feb 20, 2017 18:59:16 GMT
Go Ahead London have a large amount of buses lined up for refurbishment from contracts starting long before the 101. Very rare for all fleet for a route to be refurbished prior to the new contract. As an example many of the DOEs for 213 still haven't been refurbished even though contract started 7 - 8 months ago I think if you are under the impression they will be done by contract start date, probably living in dream land The 213 isn't officially allocated DOE's so maybe you mean for the 151 & 154 contracts.
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