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Post by mark on Nov 3, 2022 8:48:15 GMT
And to further manage expectations it’s worth noting that (financially) the x26 is one of the worst performing on the network. Of course, any review could conclude that the answer is to charge a premium fare, much as Lothian does with its Airlink service. Such a move would open the door to other express services but, then again, pigs might fly. Clarify worst performing, by what measure is that being judged? Passenger numbers, mileage, cost per mile etc. cost recovery - largely down to a combination of its length, limited stop nature (and hence how many pax can be carried on any journey) and the low fare charged. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 3, 2022 9:09:02 GMT
Clarify worst performing, by what measure is that being judged? Passenger numbers, mileage, cost per mile etc. cost recovery - largely down to a combination of its length, limited stop nature (and hence how many pax can be carried on any journey) and the low fare charged. Okay, I can see that. Some sections, particularly between North Cheam and Kingston, can be very slow so I can see where it could be a loss leader. It’ll be interesting to see how TfL seek to rectify this problem. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 3, 2022 9:47:25 GMT
cost recovery - largely down to a combination of its length, limited stop nature (and hence how many pax can be carried on any journey) and the low fare charged. Okay, I can see that. Some sections, particularly between North Cheam and Kingston, can be very slow so I can see where it could be a loss leader. It’ll be interesting to see how TfL seek to rectify this problem. One way would be for TfL to introduce touching out on buses. This would allow more flexibility in setting bus fares and can work both ways - as well as higher fares for longer journeys, lower fares could be introduced for specific short hops, in a similar way to Reading Buses "cheap singles". www.reading-buses.co.uk/cheap-singles |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 3, 2022 11:42:08 GMT
Okay, I can see that. Some sections, particularly between North Cheam and Kingston, can be very slow so I can see where it could be a loss leader. It’ll be interesting to see how TfL seek to rectify this problem. One way would be for TfL to introduce touching out on buses. This would allow more flexibility in setting bus fares and can work both ways - as well as higher fares for longer journeys, lower fares could be introduced for specific short hops, in a similar way to Reading Buses "cheap singles". www.reading-buses.co.uk/cheap-singles Although it's open to abuse on dual doored buses, nothing to stop anyone touching in and then touching out again and only being charged for one stop for a longer journey. |
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Post by mark on Nov 3, 2022 13:40:11 GMT
One way would be for TfL to introduce touching out on buses. This would allow more flexibility in setting bus fares and can work both ways - as well as higher fares for longer journeys, lower fares could be introduced for specific short hops, in a similar way to Reading Buses "cheap singles". www.reading-buses.co.uk/cheap-singles Although it's open to abuse on dual doored buses, nothing to stop anyone touching in and then touching out again and only being charged for one stop for a longer journey. I think that a flat fare is generally the right approach but that something bespoke for longer express routes is needed if they are to be expanded. It’s easy to do with Oyster PAYG and payment cards but I’m not so sure how it would work with season tickets / travel cards etc. |
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Post by cl54 on Nov 3, 2022 16:57:56 GMT
Although it's open to abuse on dual doored buses, nothing to stop anyone touching in and then touching out again and only being charged for one stop for a longer journey. I think that a flat fare is generally the right approach but that something bespoke for longer express routes is needed if they are to be expanded. It’s easy to do with Oyster PAYG and payment cards but I’m not so sure how it would work with season tickets / travel cards etc. The material cost of re-introducing fare stages would be significant. |
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 3, 2022 17:46:43 GMT
I think that a flat fare is generally the right approach but that something bespoke for longer express routes is needed if they are to be expanded. It’s easy to do with Oyster PAYG and payment cards but I’m not so sure how it would work with season tickets / travel cards etc. The material cost of re-introducing fare stages would be significant. I wouldn't envisage the wholesale reintroduction of fare stages as such, most routes would retain flat fares. However TfL has a social remit and may be prepared to accept that some long routes will have poor cost recovery. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 16, 2022 10:14:24 GMT
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 16, 2022 10:51:58 GMT
What it is essentially saying, is that more passenger benefits are achieved by having fewer routes using the tunnel, but at higher frequencies. The two preferred options have X239 and either of the 129 or 335* operating at 7.5 bph, other options have three routes but all at 5 bph The paper notes that projected demand from the Barking Road corridor is relatively marginal as there are high-frequency connections into the Jubilee Line at Canning Town. It recommends that the 330 stays unchanged and not be projected through the Tunnel for this reason. * the overall preferred option favours the 129 over the 335. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 16, 2022 10:58:27 GMT
What it is essentially saying, is that more passenger benefits are achieved by having fewer routes using the tunnel, but at higher frequencies. The two preferred options have X239 and either of the 129 or 335* operating at 7.5 bph, other options have three routes but all at 5 bph The paper notes that projected demand from the Barking Road corridor is relatively marginal as there are high-frequency connections into the Jubilee Line at Canning Town. It recommends that the 330 stays unchanged and not be projected through the Tunnel for this reason. * the overall preferred option favours the 129 over the 335. Would much prefer the 330 to stay the same instead of another lumped together route. If the 330 was diverted residents on North Woolwich Road would lose a direct route the Canning Town station and as a local to the area can say this section is well used after the 474 was diverted. Also does Beckton need more buses? Must say the consultation is very hard to read and has lots of options. |
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Post by TB123 on Nov 16, 2022 10:59:36 GMT
What it is essentially saying, is that more passenger benefits are achieved by having fewer routes using the tunnel, but at higher frequencies. The two preferred options have X239 and either of the 129 or 335* operating at 7.5 bph, other options have three routes but all at 5 bph The paper notes that projected demand from the Barking Road corridor is relatively marginal as there are high-frequency connections into the Jubilee Line at Canning Town. It recommends that the 330 stays unchanged and not be projected through the Tunnel for this reason. * the overall preferred option favours the 129 over the 335. Would much prefer the 330 to stay the same instead of another lumped together route. If the 330 was diverted residents on North Woolwich Road would lose a direct route the Canning Town station and as a local to the area can say this section is well used after the 474 was diverted. Also does Beckton need more buses? Must say the consultation is very hard to read and has lots of options. Good job they are keeping the 330 exactly the same then as wirewiper says. Beckton has thousands upon thousands of new homes in the pipeline and no immediate sign of the DLR Thamesmead extension coming on stream so extra buses will be needed. |
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Post by WH241 on Nov 16, 2022 11:30:07 GMT
Would much prefer the 330 to stay the same instead of another lumped together route. If the 330 was diverted residents on North Woolwich Road would lose a direct route the Canning Town station and as a local to the area can say this section is well used after the 474 was diverted. Also does Beckton need more buses? Must say the consultation is very hard to read and has lots of options. Good job they are keeping the 330 exactly the same then as wirewiper says. Beckton has thousands upon thousands of new homes in the pipeline and no immediate sign of the DLR Thamesmead extension coming on stream so extra buses will be needed. Well that’s what happens when you are busy at work and only have time to skim read the paper! |
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 21, 2022 13:13:04 GMT
The post implementation review of the 456 should be published early next year.
A development paper for the Meridian Water area should also be published next year.
TfL are starting to look possibilities of additional bus routes serving North Middlesex Hospital. Either by either by introducing new bus routes or extending/re-routing existing bus routes.
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Post by Busboy105 on Dec 21, 2022 15:12:35 GMT
The post implementation review of the 456 should be published early next year. A development paper for the Meridian Water area should also be published next year. TfL are starting to look possibilities of additional bus routes serving North Middlesex Hospital. Either by either by introducing new bus routes or extending/re-routing existing bus routes. Is there any stand space left at North Middlesex Hospital? I don't think Gloucester Road can take anymore buses with the fact that's it's pretty tight |
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Post by VMH2537 on Dec 21, 2022 15:27:42 GMT
The post implementation review of the 456 should be published early next year. A development paper for the Meridian Water area should also be published next year. TfL are starting to look possibilities of additional bus routes serving North Middlesex Hospital. Either by either by introducing new bus routes or extending/re-routing existing bus routes. Is there any stand space left at North Middlesex Hospital? I don't think Gloucester Road can take anymore buses with the fact that's it's pretty tight The existing stand the 456 uses on Bridport Road has space to expand to accommodate at least two more buses. I'd imagine that will be used if new or extended services started from there. Don't forget TfL are also exploring re-routing services meaning extended routes may not happen. |
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