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Post by redbus on Aug 1, 2024 21:53:09 GMT
Going to have to give a heavy disagree with this one, apologies. 205s loads from Stepney-Bow do not compare in the slightest from Kings Cross-Paddington or Liverpool Street-Euston. Another one is Islington to Aldgate. I probably use the 205 more on its Central section than it's East section, but whenever I've tried to get on in the East I've often been left behind to wait for another bus while this has never been an issue for me in the Central section unless there's obvious disruption on the railways. It depends on time and direction. I have had times when near Angel the bus hasn't let on passengers due to being full. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Aug 1, 2024 22:43:16 GMT
I probably use the 205 more on its Central section than it's East section, but whenever I've tried to get on in the East I've often been left behind to wait for another bus while this has never been an issue for me in the Central section unless there's obvious disruption on the railways. How far East we talking? There have been times for me too, around Whitechapel but they usually run light from Mile End Road-Bow. The 25s take all the people, as most people alight as far as Aldgate. One of the reasons why the 205 was extended from Whitechapel to Mile End was to provide support for the 25 over this section. Despite the opening of the Elizabeth Line, the Aldgate to Stratford corridor is still incredibly busy and I think the 25 would still need that support between Aldgate and at least as far as Mile End. |
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Post by enviroPB on Aug 2, 2024 0:26:18 GMT
How far East we talking? There have been times for me too, around Whitechapel but they usually run light from Mile End Road-Bow. The 25s take all the people, as most people alight as far as Aldgate. One of the reasons why the 205 was extended from Whitechapel to Mile End was to provide support for the 25 over this section. Despite the opening of the Elizabeth Line, the Aldgate to Stratford corridor is still incredibly busy and I think the 25 would still need that support between Aldgate and at least as far as Mile End. Another reason for the 205 extension, albeit not the most important reason, was vacating the stand to facilitate the 106. TfL did say at the time that the 106's stand at Durward Street was set to return after the Crossrail works, but it seems they've sold the land to developers instead. It's criminal that Cavell Street is the only way the 106 serves Whitechapel, and does little to relieve the 253 254 in the area because most of the demand comes from Whitechapel Station. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 2, 2024 6:42:24 GMT
With all the chat about 15, 115 and 205, the only changes that need to happen is sorting out the Aldgate gyratory or whatever that is. Lets try and keep the current passengers using these services. The 15, 115 do well with the bus lanes until towards Aldgate they end and there is this long gap between the last stop on Commercial Road and when it turns from it to Aldgate East stop. Passengers just left waiting on the slow bus because getting off the prior stop and walking is too long. There needs to be an additional stop in between for people to get off and walk (or extension of the bus lane). Ideally, the Aldgate traffic needs to be managed better and in some way prioritise the buses. I would like TfL to focus there before making changes elsewhere.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 2, 2024 7:10:43 GMT
With all the chat about 15, 115 and 205, the only changes that need to happen is sorting out the Aldgate gyratory or whatever that is. Lets try and keep the current passengers using these services. The 15, 115 do well with the bus lanes until towards Aldgate they end and there is this long gap between the last stop on Commercial Road and when it turns from it to Aldgate East stop. Passengers just left waiting on the slow bus because getting off the prior stop and walking is too long. There needs to be an additional stop in between for people to get off and walk (or extension of the bus lane). Ideally, the Aldgate traffic needs to be managed better and in some way prioritise the buses. I would like TfL to focus there before making changes elsewhere. The 25 aswell. I'm sure Aldgate plus the later cutback to City Thameslink killed the demand. |
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Post by danorak on Aug 2, 2024 10:08:51 GMT
The area under discussion is very much Diamond Geezer's territory so I wonder if he might have something to say on his blog. Bad form to self-quote but DG has indeed blogged on this today. Welcome to those arriving here via the link! And I blush modestly at being quoted in the comments... |
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Post by WH241 on Aug 2, 2024 11:08:24 GMT
The area under discussion is very much Diamond Geezer's territory so I wonder if he might have something to say on his blog. Bad form to self-quote but DG has indeed blogged on this today. Welcome to those arriving here via the link! And I blush modestly at being quoted in the comments... Nice to see he agrees at some of the points I made about the train connection at West Ham and bridges in place along Manor Road! |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Aug 2, 2024 11:16:06 GMT
Worth a shout! I don’t actually know what the 241 is like other than its short and most people say it carries air but that’s also the 308. Carries very little between Clapton and Stratford, so maybe the 241 could carry two sections of air into one route lol The 241 carries air from Custom House to Royal Wharf but is a very busy route to and from Stratford! I think you’ve suggested this previously but I do wonder whether there would be some merit in having a 241/388 merger given two routes to HereEast does seem a little unnecessary, maybe Liverpool Street to Royal Wharf? |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 2, 2024 11:46:03 GMT
The 241 carries air from Custom House to Royal Wharf but is a very busy route to and from Stratford! I think you’ve suggested this previously but I do wonder whether there would be some merit in having a 241/388 merger given two routes to HereEast does seem a little unnecessary, maybe Liverpool Street to Royal Wharf? The combined route would have a max running time of over 100 minutes which is hardly ideal. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Aug 2, 2024 12:04:11 GMT
The 241 carries air from Custom House to Royal Wharf but is a very busy route to and from Stratford! I think you’ve suggested this previously but I do wonder whether there would be some merit in having a 241/388 merger given two routes to HereEast does seem a little unnecessary, maybe Liverpool Street to Royal Wharf? This would likely be too long and indirect. I think it's fine to have two routes between Stratford and Here East, but the additional route should extend further west beyond Hackney Wick to create some new links. Currently there is no direct bus between Stratford and Hackney Central (only the 276 which goes via Bow). This could work by extending one of the shorter routes currently terminating at Stratford (104, 241, etc), or create a new route starting at Stratford City, and continuing somewhere beyond Hackney Central. I think a good option could be to reroute the 67 at Stoke Newington (no longer serving Dalston), to take over the 276 to Hackney Wick, then the proposed 241 routeing to Stratford City. The 276 could then maybe divert to terminate at Leyton Asda (with the 488 maintaining links to/from Bow)? |
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Post by redbus on Aug 2, 2024 12:11:06 GMT
With all the chat about 15, 115 and 205, the only changes that need to happen is sorting out the Aldgate gyratory or whatever that is. Lets try and keep the current passengers using these services. The 15, 115 do well with the bus lanes until towards Aldgate they end and there is this long gap between the last stop on Commercial Road and when it turns from it to Aldgate East stop. Passengers just left waiting on the slow bus because getting off the prior stop and walking is too long. There needs to be an additional stop in between for people to get off and walk (or extension of the bus lane). Ideally, the Aldgate traffic needs to be managed better and in some way prioritise the buses. I would like TfL to focus there before making changes elsewhere. The 25 aswell. I'm sure Aldgate plus the later cutback to City Thameslink killed the demand. The Aldgate 'gyratory' went with the advent of two-way traffic on Whitechapel Road and turning Braham Street into a 'park'. Since then there are long traffic queues pretty much in all directions at various times which impacts all the buses in the area. Given the nature of the works this is quite predictable, although to be fair they have probably done what they can within the limitations of the scheme. In recent years it was 'doubled down' with making Aldgate High Street two-way. The priorities these days are to get of gyratories no matter how efficient they may be in managing traffic along with cycling and walking. Buses are sadly not the priority they used to be and neither are things going to change in the forseeable future. |
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