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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2022 16:35:35 GMT
The problem the 533 has it gets affected by congestion quite heavily at times unlike the other three routes. For me, it’s better to leave it as it is and merge the other three routes together who can cope in that form. Having the 33, 209/378/485 merged & 533 seems reasonable rather than just one Extending the 272 from Grove Park to Mortlake/Barnes would create a useful link to the centre of Chiswick and improve cross river links. Obviously I don’t know the area as well as you but it sounds like a good idea |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 26, 2022 18:38:51 GMT
Arguably the Barnes/Mortlake area needs to reflect 2 things now. Firstly that Hammersmith Bridge is likely to remain open now to pedestrians and secondly its unlikely to open to buses anytime soon. The need for to capacity to Putney clearly isn't so needed due to people happy to walk over the bridge. I'd look at the 485 being every 15 mins, extended into the Riverside development but diverted to Mortlake. Discontinue the 378. I'd take the 209 to every 12 mins to Castlenau and the 419 as it now every 12 mins down to Roehampton. 33 leave as it is. Route 378 seems likely to be safe as it links Mortlake with the Underground at Putney Bridge, sort-of compensating for the loss of the simple link with Hammersmith, given that route 533 is a circular service. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 26, 2022 19:07:49 GMT
I expect any further TFL changes in the area would mostly be to reduce the number of routes around Barnes, rather than further changes involving the 337 etc. Not sure if the 378 link is still needed - having mostly been introduced as an alternative link to the District line from Mortlake & Barnes Bridge. Many passengers will prefer to walk over Hammersmith Bridge since it has reopened to pedestrians, while other options include the 533 to Hammersmith via Chiswick Bridge, the 337 from Upper Richmond Road to East Putney Station, or taking the train directly from SWR stations. The 485's proposed frequency increase also covers some of this capacity, maintaining links as far as Barnes Pond - and if rerouted as planned, would still connect to the District Line, but at East Putney instead. The 209 & 533 could also possibly be merged to reduce excess capacity between Castelnau and Mortlake - with the combined route serving Church Road in both directions (rather than Lonsdale Road), and with a double run to Avondale Road. Could even consider further merging all of the 209/378/485/533 together to operate a new route between Hammersmith and Wandsworth - via Chiswick Bridge, Mortlake, Barnes Bridge, Castelnau, Barnes Pond and Putney. This would maintain the 378's links if needed (though less directly), and reduce the number of routes terminating at Castelnau to just the 33. The problem the 533 has it gets affected by congestion quite heavily at times unlike the other three routes. For me, it’s better to leave it as it is and merge the other three routes together who can cope in that form. Having the 33, 209/378/485 merged & 533 seems reasonable rather than just one I can see how a longer route (e.g. Hammersmith to Wandsworth) might be too long to operate reliably. However, I don't think the 209, 419 & 533 are all needed between Castelnau, Barnes Bridge and Mortlake. I think the simplest way of making some changes would be a merger of the 209 & 533 - existing 209 from Castelnau to Mortlake, serving Avondale Road as a double run, then continuing via Chiswick Bridge to Hammersmith. Then could completely withdraw the 378, with the 485 increased in frequency and rerouted as proposed. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 27, 2022 0:14:42 GMT
The problem the 533 has it gets affected by congestion quite heavily at times unlike the other three routes. For me, it’s better to leave it as it is and merge the other three routes together who can cope in that form. Having the 33, 209/378/485 merged & 533 seems reasonable rather than just one I can see how a longer route (e.g. Hammersmith to Wandsworth) might be too long to operate reliably. However, I don't think the 209, 419 & 533 are all needed between Castelnau, Barnes Bridge and Mortlake. I think the simplest way of making some changes would be a merger of the 209 & 533 - existing 209 from Castelnau to Mortlake, serving Avondale Road as a double run, then continuing via Chiswick Bridge to Hammersmith. Then could completely withdraw the 378, with the 485 increased in frequency and rerouted as proposed. If the bridge reopens to traffic, more routes will likely be needed as was the case pre closure. On top of that, if the bridge reopens to traffic, I don't think the 533 would actually survive given it wasn't an actual thing previously so you'll end up with the 33, merged 209/378/485 and then either an re-introduced 72 back to Roehampton or the 419 continuing as now |
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 27, 2022 16:59:01 GMT
I can see how a longer route (e.g. Hammersmith to Wandsworth) might be too long to operate reliably. However, I don't think the 209, 419 & 533 are all needed between Castelnau, Barnes Bridge and Mortlake. I think the simplest way of making some changes would be a merger of the 209 & 533 - existing 209 from Castelnau to Mortlake, serving Avondale Road as a double run, then continuing via Chiswick Bridge to Hammersmith. Then could completely withdraw the 378, with the 485 increased in frequency and rerouted as proposed. If the bridge reopens to traffic, more routes will likely be needed as was the case pre closure. On top of that, if the bridge reopens to traffic, I don't think the 533 would actually survive given it wasn't an actual thing previously so you'll end up with the 33, merged 209/378/485 and then either an re-introduced 72 back to Roehampton or the 419 continuing as now If the bridge reopens to traffic, could possibly also look at further links north of the river, rather than most routes terminating at Hammersmith as before. Perhaps the 218 or 283 could be merged with routes at Castelnau, e.g towards Wandsworth and Mortlake respectively? |
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Post by thekbq14 on Feb 28, 2022 14:50:20 GMT
I think with Hammersmith Bridge, there should be a plan of what routes will be without the bridge and also a plan with the Bridge if it ever is opened up to cars again. As someone who is not from the area looking in, it seems like there's a lot of guess work and no plan for the future of the Bridge, yet the current routing around the Bridge, originally inadequate, now seem to be overbussed. Also it will hopefully mean if the plan with and without the bridge it means routes can be changed more quickly, I understand traffic loads in transport change but that could always be constantly evaluated
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 5, 2022 10:47:39 GMT
The W19/W12 swap proposal won't be going ahead. This comes from recent discussions with Waltham Forest who opposed the idea as they see the Argall Avenue area as an opportunity for redevelopments.
From a relaible council officer at Waltham Forest.
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Post by routew15 on Sept 5, 2022 12:48:07 GMT
The W19/W12 swap proposal won't be going ahead. This comes from recent discussions with Waltham Forest who opposed the idea as they see the Argall Avenue area as an opportunity for redevelopments. From a relaible council officer at Waltham Forest. Glad the W12/19 swap is not going ahead. I do think the 215 and W19 swap should still be considered. Outside of that the council with TfL needs to look again on a bus standing arrangement around the Lea Bridge Station area. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 5, 2022 13:56:22 GMT
The W19/W12 swap proposal won't be going ahead. This comes from recent discussions with Waltham Forest who opposed the idea as they see the Argall Avenue area as an opportunity for redevelopments. From a relaible council officer at Waltham Forest. If there is redevelopment in the area, I think a good option could be to replace that section of the W19 with a new route between Walthamstow and Stratford City - via Argall Avenue, Lea Bridge Station, Orient Way and Temple Mills Lane. Potentially extending onwards at either end. Could perhaps even revise the 357 to divert to Stratford as above (going to/from Chingford Hatch), with something like the 215 then covering the Whipps Cross end if needed. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 5, 2022 14:31:52 GMT
The W19/W12 swap proposal won't be going ahead. This comes from recent discussions with Waltham Forest who opposed the idea as they see the Argall Avenue area as an opportunity for redevelopments. From a relaible council officer at Waltham Forest. If there is redevelopment in the area, I think a good option could be to replace that section of the W19 with a new route between Walthamstow and Stratford City - via Argall Avenue, Lea Bridge Station, Orient Way and Temple Mills Lane. Potentially extending onwards at either end. Could perhaps even revise the 357 to divert to Stratford as above (going to/from Chingford Hatch), with something like the 215 then covering the Whipps Cross end if needed. Orient Way is unlikely to see a bus route in the foreseeable future as it will be challenging to install fixed stops. The lane northbound has no pedestrian side walks with Temple mills depot for Eurostar and Greater Anglia taking the land. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 5, 2022 14:55:01 GMT
If there is redevelopment in the area, I think a good option could be to replace that section of the W19 with a new route between Walthamstow and Stratford City - via Argall Avenue, Lea Bridge Station, Orient Way and Temple Mills Lane. Potentially extending onwards at either end. Could perhaps even revise the 357 to divert to Stratford as above (going to/from Chingford Hatch), with something like the 215 then covering the Whipps Cross end if needed. Orient Way is unlikely to see a bus route in the foreseeable future as it will be challenging to install fixed stops. The lane northbound has no pedestrian side walks with Temple mills depot for Eurostar and Greater Anglia taking the land. Orient Way also suffers awful congestion up to the mini roundabout by Asda which would make a bus service unreliable. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Sept 20, 2022 12:01:23 GMT
The post implementation review of the 456 is currently being undertaken and should be completed this Autumn.
Review of the Meridian Water site is also planned to be completed in Winter 2022. We should be seeing a development paper published once it's completed.
From a relaible source contact.
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Post by TB123 on Nov 2, 2022 12:12:11 GMT
TfL about to commence a "major review" of the X26 service ahead of the new contract starting in spring 2024.
For all those getting excited with the crayons, a similar review happened previously in 2016, and only vehicle type was changed - the investigated frequency increase (to3bph) and night service wasn't implemented.
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Post by mark on Nov 3, 2022 8:28:50 GMT
TfL about to commence a "major review" of the X26 service ahead of the new contract starting in spring 2024. For all those getting excited with the crayons, a similar review happened previously in 2016, and only vehicle type was changed - the investigated frequency increase (to3bph) and night service wasn't implemented. And to further manage expectations it’s worth noting that (financially) the x26 is one of the worst performing on the network. Of course, any review could conclude that the answer is to charge a premium fare, much as Lothian does with its Airlink service. Such a move would open the door to other express services but, then again, pigs might fly. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 3, 2022 8:39:17 GMT
TfL about to commence a "major review" of the X26 service ahead of the new contract starting in spring 2024. For all those getting excited with the crayons, a similar review happened previously in 2016, and only vehicle type was changed - the investigated frequency increase (to3bph) and night service wasn't implemented. And to further manage expectations it’s worth noting that (financially) the x26 is one of the worst performing on the network. Of course, any review could conclude that the answer is to charge a premium fare, much as Lothian does with its Airlink service. Such a move would open the door to other express services but, then again, pigs might fly. Clarify worst performing, by what measure is that being judged? Passenger numbers, mileage, cost per mile etc. |
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