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Post by john on Mar 20, 2016 18:55:28 GMT
This could be said of many routes of a Sunday really. You can't take into account one days loadings for a route over 7 days really. One counter could be to divert the 262 via Cyprus to retain a link. Alternatively extend the 325 from East Ham. There are ways to retain a link if needed. Tbh though I don't see the 101 being in TfL's plans for Crossrail. Seems some of the less established routes and more changed ones are more likely to be altered. The problem with rerouting the 262 is that there would be longer journeys, something that shoppers on the route wouldn't enjoy. What do you mean by extending route 325 from East Ham? The route doesn't terminate at East Ham. Cock. I know it used to lol. When you're driving around in a training bus it's not the first you notice! Either way, there are ways to organise it if it's what they wanted to do. I know nothing on route planning/organising however, what it does show is that if the 101 was looked at, this can happen. I mean who knows, some of the 101's passengers could be making a connection somewhere anyway. Never rule anything out unless it is utterly stupid |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 20:57:46 GMT
The problem with rerouting the 262 is that there would be longer journeys, something that shoppers on the route wouldn't enjoy. What do you mean by extending route 325 from East Ham? The route doesn't terminate at East Ham. Cock. I know it used to lol. When you're driving around in a training bus it's not the first you notice! Either way, there are ways to organise it if it's what they wanted to do. I know nothing on route planning/organising however, what it does show is that if the 101 was looked at, this can happen. I mean who knows, some of the 101's passengers could be making a connection somewhere anyway. Never rule anything out unless it is utterly stupid 325 has never terminated at East Ham - Might be thinking of the 300 /376 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 21:22:39 GMT
Would like to see the 125 extended to Colindale but it would be cool for the 303 and 305 to merged together possibly using DD buses..
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Post by john on Mar 20, 2016 21:44:29 GMT
Cock. I know it used to lol. When you're driving around in a training bus it's not the first you notice! Either way, there are ways to organise it if it's what they wanted to do. I know nothing on route planning/organising however, what it does show is that if the 101 was looked at, this can happen. I mean who knows, some of the 101's passengers could be making a connection somewhere anyway. Never rule anything out unless it is utterly stupid 325 has never terminated at East Ham - Might be thinking of the 300 /376 I'm 30 this year, that's my excuse  |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2016 0:46:44 GMT
Would like to see the 125 extended to Colindale but it would be cool for the 303 and 305 to merged together possibly using DD buses.. I don't think users of the 303 & 305 would agree that it would be cool to merge both routes together. |
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Post by ian on Mar 21, 2016 7:16:24 GMT
Whilst most of the Colindale proposals have been floating around for years since the development plans were first unfolding, that is the first time the 303/305 merger has been in documents. Whilst I can see some attractions (particularly as the 305 is quite under-used) it does have some drawbacks. I would particularly note removing the 303 connection between Edgware and the main part of Deansbrook Road where the larger part of Watling residents reside. This was one of the original reasons for introducing the route in the first place. The other main drawback looks like longer journey times and lower frequencies for a variety of short journeys. The other proposals look good but these have evolved over a long period.
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Post by rmz19 on Mar 21, 2016 11:59:09 GMT
Some interesting proposals mentioned in this document. Regarding the 417, I like the idea of extending it to Waterloo and introducing new links between Waterloo - Clapham Common and beyond, however this would make the extension to Lower Sydenham I was hoping for more difficult now. Personally, I would reroute the 417 via Wandsworth Road and send the 452 via Nine Elms Lane instead, the 452's proposed extension would make it indirect and oddly shaped at its southern end, this would allow both routes to be more direct in the Nine Elms/Vauxhall area.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2016 14:19:32 GMT
Some interesting proposals mentioned in this document. Regarding the 417, I like the idea of extending it to Waterloo and introducing new links between Waterloo - Clapham Common and beyond, however this would make the extension to Lower Sydenham I was hoping for more difficult now. Personally, I would reroute the 417 via Wandsworth Road and send the 452 via Nine Elms Lane instead, the 452's proposed extension would make it indirect and oddly shaped at its southern end, this would allow both routes to be more direct in the Nine Elms/Vauxhall area. The problem with extending the 417 to Waterloo is you run a massive risk of compromising it's already not great reliability. I suspect a new entire route would do the job infinitely better and would allow the 417 to gain a short extension to Clapham Junction which would impact far less on its already shaky reliability and give much needed assistance to the 35 & 37. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 21, 2016 14:49:02 GMT
Would like to see the 125 extended to Colindale but it would be cool for the 303 and 305 to merged together possibly using DD buses.. I don't think users of the 303 & 305 would agree that it would be cool to merge both routes together. Having had a bit more of a look at the proposal it does seem rather poor. I've not done either route in the entirety but it seems bizarre to force people to walk further than they currently need to (thinking about the 303 rerouting away from Grahame Park Way here). The other oddity is breaking a convenient link into Edgware on the 303 as mentioned in Ian's post. Leaving people with just the 302 and a change seems odd on what should be a short and simple trip. I can understand why TfL want to concentrate service on a new link road through the development but there must be other options. I note that Montrose Avenue is shown on the NW Bus Map as "unserved" and it has a fair density of housing plus some park land. I'd have thought there was scope for something different to be done to improve overall coverage. One of the problems is the way the old road pattern only really provides E-W roads to tube stations plus the likely need to give people access to both the Northern Line and Mill Hill Broadway station from all local housing areas. That inevitably leads to some difficult choices. Shame there isn't a bus that serves Booth Road / Gervase Road as that's an area that's a long way from bus services except at the extremities. There is a width restriction on Gervase Road which would need dealing with. I'm sure a local route using MPDs or similar would do OK down there. |
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Post by Nathan on Mar 21, 2016 15:15:11 GMT
Some interesting proposals mentioned in this document. Regarding the 417, I like the idea of extending it to Waterloo and introducing new links between Waterloo - Clapham Common and beyond, however this would make the extension to Lower Sydenham I was hoping for more difficult now. Personally, I would reroute the 417 via Wandsworth Road and send the 452 via Nine Elms Lane instead, the 452's proposed extension would make it indirect and oddly shaped at its southern end, this would allow both routes to be more direct in the Nine Elms/Vauxhall area. The problem with extending the 417 to Waterloo is you run a massive risk of compromising it's already not great reliability. I suspect a new entire route would do the job infinitely better and would allow the 417 to gain a short extension to Clapham Junction which would impact far less on its already shaky reliability and give much needed assistance to the 35 & 37. What about extending the 249? Or would that make the route too lengthy/unreliable? Or maybe even extend the 432 via Stockwell, Clapham High Street...? |
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Post by rmz19 on Mar 21, 2016 15:54:53 GMT
The problem with extending the 417 to Waterloo is you run a massive risk of compromising it's already not great reliability. I suspect a new entire route would do the job infinitely better and would allow the 417 to gain a short extension to Clapham Junction which would impact far less on its already shaky reliability and give much needed assistance to the 35 & 37. What about extending the 249? Or would that make the route too lengthy/unreliable? Or maybe even extend the 432 via Stockwell, Clapham High Street...? The 249 has a longer running time and length than the 417 and 432 so it would suffer from reliability issues if extended any further, the 417 and 432 max out at 44 and 48 mins respectively so there is scope for extending both routes. vjaska extending the 417 to Clapham Junction is also a good idea, regarding the Waterloo extension I acknowledge school journeys can sometimes hinder the 417's reliability, from the times I've done the route end to end during school hours (how very brave of me  ) it never took over an hour. The 417 could be given extra buses during school hours to reduce overcrowding and dwelling time. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 23, 2016 9:41:33 GMT
Very interesting stuff, and probably you would expect TfL to do this sort of thing, but not necessarily share it.
One current matter I read on the Newham report is that they (Newham) are currently undertaking a review of the bus lanes on Barking Road. Seems bad news, but maybe they may reposition some bus lanes on opposite sides for better use for buses (Optimistic me!). However, what this really shows is that, just maybe, someone is employed in Newham Council to deal with transport issue (Optimistic me!)
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2016 13:10:13 GMT
Very interesting stuff, and probably you would expect TfL to do this sort of thing, but not necessarily share it. One current matter I read on the Newham report is that they (Newham) are currently undertaking a review of the bus lanes on Barking Road. Seems bad news, but maybe they may reposition some bus lanes on opposite sides for better use for buses (Optimistic me!). However, what this really shows is that, just maybe, someone is employed in Newham Council to deal with transport issue (Optimistic me!) In regards to the bus lanes, Lambeth recently widened the bus lanes on Effra Road and narrowed the single lane on each side - it looks like they widened it for bicycles to overtake buses without interfering with other traffic otherwise I can't think why you need a bus lane that wide. Maybe the same might happen on Barking Road? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2016 13:27:04 GMT
Not only would the waterloo extension make Yeh 417 possibly unreliable it would also over bus the current route if the proposed freq of every 8 mins went ahead (no doubt to meet potential demand in battersea) as the current 10 min DD service is quite lightly used alot of the time.
I agree thou with sending the 452 via Nine elms lane and 417 via Wandsworth road to improve journey times to vauxhall as I'm sure Queens town road could cope with the 137 and 156 as the 452 always seems very light on that section. I guess now the 436 tender will not be awarded till after the election now due to the possible changes.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 23, 2016 13:34:31 GMT
Very interesting stuff, and probably you would expect TfL to do this sort of thing, but not necessarily share it. One current matter I read on the Newham report is that they (Newham) are currently undertaking a review of the bus lanes on Barking Road. Seems bad news, but maybe they may reposition some bus lanes on opposite sides for better use for buses (Optimistic me!). However, what this really shows is that, just maybe, someone is employed in Newham Council to deal with transport issue (Optimistic me!) I certainly would expect TfL to be doing this sort of work. However they've been very reluctant to share anything about how they might be thinking about changing the bus network. Hopefully TfL will continue to publish further reports and provide updates on these plans (where they've not reached the consultation stage). I think all Boroughs have transport staff if only to look after borough roads. What is evident is that many boroughs have lost staff in their transport departments as a result of spending cuts. This is why a lot of works take forever or simply don't happen. TfL have had to loan staff to some boroughs to progress cycling schemes, for example. That's been stated in London Assembly meetings. |
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) it never took over an hour. The 417 could be given extra buses during school hours to reduce overcrowding and dwelling time.