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Post by WH241 on Jul 28, 2024 9:15:15 GMT
I like the 488 idea of running through the area north east of the Tesco before terminating at the store, not sure about how neccesary running to Leven Road is when it will be closer to the 309's new amended routing than present. The new route option cutting through the West Ham development would be an interesting idea too. Not keen on the 205 or D8 options. I think the 488 proposals are rather interesting, as is the 300 extension. I agree that the 205 is too long to extend but the D8 being rerouted I think could work well, makes journey times faster for those travelling to Stratford/Canary Wharf as well. The 300 is already a very around the houses route so not in favor of a further extension. The route is very well used to Canning Town Station so assume a double run would need to be retained which makes the route even longer.
If anything they should look at the short 323 even if that means double runs to maintain existing links.
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Post by 15002 on Jul 28, 2024 10:03:13 GMT
I like the 488 idea of running through the area north east of the Tesco before terminating at the store, not sure about how neccesary running to Leven Road is when it will be closer to the 309's new amended routing than present. The new route option cutting through the West Ham development would be an interesting idea too. Not keen on the 205 or D8 options. Shocked they’re extending an already long route in 205 as well. Could they be looking to cut the route back in the future from Paddington? |
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Post by B9TL205 on Jul 28, 2024 10:23:24 GMT
The 488 idea is generally alright I suppose, although the 'fast' link to the TESCO won't be so quick as the PDF itself says Not a fan of the D8 reroute option TBH, removing the routing away from the Bow Church idea isn't exactly great as it's pretty well loaded (and yes even with double deckers). But what I don't understand is the 205 extension, the route is long enough from Paddington and even if it's serving not exactly a big portion of Stratford High Street, it'd be prone to more traffic anyway as it already does And again, removing the D8 loop whilst it can add journey times, it is a useful routing system around Bow given there's usually passengers that get on the D8 from the Bow Church stop I'll be honest though the 488 extension option to the Aberfeldy Village area is pretty interesting, wasn't expecting that |
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Post by vjaska on Jul 28, 2024 11:40:52 GMT
I like the 488 idea of running through the area north east of the Tesco before terminating at the store, not sure about how neccesary running to Leven Road is when it will be closer to the 309's new amended routing than present. The new route option cutting through the West Ham development would be an interesting idea too. Not keen on the 205 or D8 options. I think the 488 proposals are rather interesting, as is the 300 extension. I agree that the 205 is too long to extend but the D8 being rerouted I think could work well, makes journey times faster for those travelling to Stratford/Canary Wharf as well. The problem I have with the D8 proposal is the loss of routing at Bow along Bromley High Street. |
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Post by danorak on Jul 28, 2024 13:02:58 GMT
I'm not surprised they've been crayoning with the 488 as it is paralleled by the 276 quite a bit. Not sure about extending the 205 any further though. With the Silvertown Tunnel opening, there's scope to do much more in this area and think more creatively but TfL's thinking seems deeply insular.
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Post by YX18KVJ (DLE30221) on Jul 28, 2024 16:32:48 GMT
Reading through the pages these are my opinions:
205:Don’t agree with this change - the number of traffic hotspots and the length of the route will most definitely affect reliability.Does it need to go to the Tesco anyway?
488:I can see why TFL would want to extend the route, as it parallels the 276 a lot, but I don’t see why it should go to West Ham or Aberfeldy Estate.Perhaps Canning Town would be more beneficial.
300:Already an indirect route, but I do like the idea of this extension.
D8:Personally, I would think the rerouting would do well, but I don’t think it should change.From what I’ve heard, the D8 is very popular along Bromley High Street.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 28, 2024 17:36:48 GMT
D8 for me on Sugar House Lane. TfL seem desperate to end the looping nonsense and I am in agreement. If I live in SHL, I want a quick bus to Stratford or a quick bus to Bromley by Bow. D8 achieves both.
I dont mind 488 to Leven Road.
For West Ham, the 300 is an absolute no-no. Makes no sense, people can just cross the pedestrian bridges (pretty sure there is another further south) and take the 276. I think it will be a new route that goes N to S. It may also go via SHL and/or Aberfeldy and solve all three problems. A short circular route perhaps..
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 28, 2024 17:39:02 GMT
I don't think the 205 was ever a serious contender for an extension, the development paper just explored the option as it's a route that could potentially be sent into the area without any of the existing route being lost. However the paper itself says that it's not particularly suitable due to its length.
For Sugar House Lane, I think the no brainer option if anything to go ahead would be to send the 488 in. It would be a minimal addition onto its running time and I'm sure people by that point in its trip can bare the extra few minutes to just go to Tesco and return from it. The issue is if you do this I wouldn't think the route would be suitable to extend to the Poplar riverside at all which also seems to be in the mix. I would imagine the rerouted 309 will be adequate enough for the Poplar Riverside especially as the 115 is nearby.
For West Ham, assuming the 488 is what's sent to Sugar House Lane the obvious route here would be the 300. The 488 wouldn't take people from that area to any major nearby town centre while the 300 would be very useful in getting people to Canning Town, the route should be able to take the extension quite easily and I'm sure a bus link to Canning Town would be very appreciated by people rather than needing to walk all the way to the 276.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 28, 2024 19:10:21 GMT
I don't think the 205 was ever a serious contender for an extension, the development paper just explored the option as it's a route that could potentially be sent into the area without any of the existing route being lost. However the paper itself says that it's not particularly suitable due to its length. For Sugar House Lane, I think the no brainer option if anything to go ahead would be to send the 488 in. It would be a minimal addition onto its running time and I'm sure people by that point in its trip can bare the extra few minutes to just go to Tesco and return from it. The issue is if you do this I wouldn't think the route would be suitable to extend to the Poplar riverside at all which also seems to be in the mix. I would imagine the rerouted 309 will be adequate enough for the Poplar Riverside especially as the 115 is nearby. For West Ham, assuming the 488 is what's sent to Sugar House Lane the obvious route here would be the 300. The 488 wouldn't take people from that area to any major nearby town centre while the 300 would be very useful in getting people to Canning Town, the route should be able to take the extension quite easily and I'm sure a bus link to Canning Town would be very appreciated by people rather than needing to walk all the way to the 276. The double run via Canning Town Station would be tedious for the 300! The 115 takes long enough. Has mondraker275 points out there are two new bridges on Manor Road which are close to the bus stops and West Ham station. The 323 would probably be more useful if it could somehow be rerouted in the area.
Instead of constantly lobbing bits onto existing routes TfL really should start looking at creating genuinely useful new services.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 28, 2024 19:38:36 GMT
I don't think the 205 was ever a serious contender for an extension, the development paper just explored the option as it's a route that could potentially be sent into the area without any of the existing route being lost. However the paper itself says that it's not particularly suitable due to its length. For Sugar House Lane, I think the no brainer option if anything to go ahead would be to send the 488 in. It would be a minimal addition onto its running time and I'm sure people by that point in its trip can bare the extra few minutes to just go to Tesco and return from it. The issue is if you do this I wouldn't think the route would be suitable to extend to the Poplar riverside at all which also seems to be in the mix. I would imagine the rerouted 309 will be adequate enough for the Poplar Riverside especially as the 115 is nearby. For West Ham, assuming the 488 is what's sent to Sugar House Lane the obvious route here would be the 300. The 488 wouldn't take people from that area to any major nearby town centre while the 300 would be very useful in getting people to Canning Town, the route should be able to take the extension quite easily and I'm sure a bus link to Canning Town would be very appreciated by people rather than needing to walk all the way to the 276. The double run via Canning Town Station would be tedious for the 300! The 115 takes long enough. Has mondraker275 points out there are two new bridges on Manor Road which are close to the bus stops and West Ham station. The 323 would probably be more useful if it could somehow be rerouted in the area.
Instead of constantly lobbing bits onto existing routes TfL really should start looking at creating genuinely useful new services.
Why would the double run be tedious if the route is being extended from Canning Town? Who would it inconvenience? The bridges are useless for people who will live at the Bromley by Bow gasworks which the development paper makes a point of mentioning are not close to any bus routes that the 300 would bring close to the network. The 323 and 276 are both mentioned as being unsuitable to extend as you'd be leaving a hole elsewhere which effectively only leaves the 300. It's all well and good saying you need new routes, but who is paying for it? The development paper mentions that any new route would cost a lot of money in comparison to a 300 (or 488) extension and the link road for a new bus route might not even be built. The 300 is by far the best alternative to send there. There are a very few missing links in East London, but the vast majority of people in the development will just want to get to Canning Town which the 300 will provide for them. |
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Post by danorak on Jul 29, 2024 2:36:50 GMT
The area under discussion is very much Diamond Geezer's territory so I wonder if he might have something to say on his blog.
On the edge of the area under discussion but I have wondered how well used the 8 is between Bow Church and Old Ford. With skilful routeing to avoid low bridges, it might be diverted after Parnell Road to provide a service into developing parts of the Olympic park instead.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 29, 2024 7:04:28 GMT
The area under discussion is very much Diamond Geezer's territory so I wonder if he might have something to say on his blog. On the edge of the area under discussion but I have wondered how well used the 8 is between Bow Church and Old Ford. With skilful routeing to avoid low bridges, it might be diverted after Parnell Road to provide a service into developing parts of the Olympic park instead. On the occasions I use the 8 at that end, it seems to empty out at Old Ford, and it seems comparatively unpopular at Bow - this sounds a good idea. |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 29, 2024 7:24:31 GMT
The area under discussion is very much Diamond Geezer's territory so I wonder if he might have something to say on his blog. On the edge of the area under discussion but I have wondered how well used the 8 is between Bow Church and Old Ford. With skilful routeing to avoid low bridges, it might be diverted after Parnell Road to provide a service into developing parts of the Olympic park instead. Buses are often empty between Old Ford and Bow Church, I think that bit is just for operational convenience. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 29, 2024 10:54:54 GMT
Out of interest, how well do the 276 and 488 load? They parallel each other for quite a bit.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 29, 2024 11:18:35 GMT
Out of interest, how well do the 276 and 488 load? They parallel each other for quite a bit. Don't know how well used they each are on that section (though it's been mentioned the 276 is very busy overall), but I think you could reduce that parallel slightly by cutting the 276 back slightly. Either terminating somewhere like Homerton or Hackney Wick, or maybe rerouteing to Leyton Asda? Then have a DD route take over the Stoke Newington end, replacing the 276 through to Hackney Wick, then taking a more direct route to Statford. This could also replace the 241's proposed extension to Here East. Maybe a revised 67 could operate between Wood Green and Stratford City for example? Then the 488 (as well as the 425) would maintain links between Bow and the Hackney area. |
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