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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 8:31:18 GMT
Thanks to ThinLizzy posting the link on another thread, it's brought my attention to a few changes I missed the first time around. The 101 and 262 are both proposed to eventually be curtailed short at Beckton leaving just the 366 and 474 heading towards Gallions Reach of which only the 366 will go through the Shopping Park. Certainly an interesting read content.tfl.gov.uk/responding-to-the-transformation-of-the-royal-docks.pdfI don't know who thinks up these ideas at TfL but they need to pop down Gallions Reach bus stand to see how many people board the 262! Ok maybe cut the 101 back but the 366 alone is a joke. |
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Post by busoccultation on Sept 2, 2019 9:28:08 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would make the 366 more manageable than it is.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 2, 2019 10:10:03 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would make the 366 more manageable than it is.
the "southern" end of the 366 could run Beckton Station to Faircross or Harts Lane Estate. I do agree, with the amount of housing currently being built, and proposed around Gallions Reach, it does seem a bit short sighted to propose withdrawing the 101 and 262 from the Gallions area |
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Sept 2, 2019 10:14:05 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would the 366 more manageable than it is.
Tfl don’t realise with all these drastic action including cuts and rerouting of buses in east London, it doesn’t show its main purpose and function for customer satisfaction. If I was tfl I would make these following changes even if they aren’t relevant to the crossrail changes in east London but as a whole in east London. 1. 262 shouldn’t be cut to Beckton, but understand why the 101 would. 262 is a double decker operation which is need especially at the end of its route towards East beckton connecting shoppers from north to south newham and 366 can’t cope alone especially since it’s SD operation not like it could be converted to DD operation. 101 can be cut to beckton operation because it’s not much lodgings trombone Gallons Reach end plus theirs hopper fare so I think cutting the 101 to beckton wouldn’t be harmful. If tfl hates 101 just merge it with the 304 so Wanstead to custom house 2. 330 shouldn’t be terminated at pontoon dock especially since their DLR parallel to the south part of the route just extend the 330 to LCA, which gives the route more purpose also extending the route 241 from custom house to pontoon dock is a good idea for extra links. 3. 300 should be converted to DD operation if it could happen from beckton bus station it’s full up until leaving passengers behind. Outer scope of east London 1. 165 converted to DD operation and withdraw the 365 and reroute the 165 via orchard village both ways to maintain links and terminate it at rainham station instead abbey Wood Lane is heavily overbussed carrying excessive capacity and 287 can cope alone l, could be problematic due to 103 stand space at two Ham station. 252 can be extended to Havering park to maintain links and reroute via queens hospital. 248 with an 7-8 minute service on south street can cope alone fine, additionally make 165 24 hour route so rainham has a overnight bus or N174 Harold hill to Rainham. 2. 256 to be converted to DD operation and extended elsewhere since the hospital in Hornchurch closed down 256 could be extended elsewhere if needed 3. Extend the 346 from Upminster to Harold wood station gives it better link than the 347 because it comes every 2 hours and easier for people from Upminster to travel to places like Brentwood or shenfield if taking tfl Raul plus Harold Hill or Wood area. Every 15 minutes operations and Sunday service of 30 minutes. 347 still operates. 4. 370 Sunday service should be increased to 20 minutes up until evenings for 30 minutes usual operation. 5. Withdraw 396, extend EL3 to Newbury Park 6. Extend 375 to Ongar at every 20-30 minute service connects Ongar with the Elizabeth line 7. Increase PVR of the 123 so an every 8 minute service could happen as every 10 minutes the at the moment is struggling especially since buses at peak time is rammed. 8. Merge 215 and 357 as 357 does carry fresh air and hatch area can do without the 357 9. Extend the 349 to Hackney Central gives North London a link with central part of Hackney especially since the 349 duplicates a lot of routes and extent to Hackney gives it a unique purpose 10. Don’t withdraw the 48 and put 277 back to Highbury corner 11. Swap routing of 135 and D8 between crossharbour and Canary Wharf |
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Post by londonbuschannel on Sept 2, 2019 10:18:34 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would the 366 more manageable than it is.
Tfl don’t realise with all these drastic action including cuts and rerouting of buses in east London, it doesn’t show its main purpose and function for customer satisfaction. If I was tfl I would make these following changes even if they aren’t relevant to the crossrail changes in east London but as a whole in east London. 1. 262 shouldn’t be cut to Beckton, but understand why the 101 would. 262 is a double decker operation which is need especially at the end of its route towards East beckton connecting shoppers from north to south newham and 366 can’t cope alone especially since it’s SD operation not like it could be converted to DD operation. 101 can be cut to beckton operation because it’s not much lodgings trombone Gallons Reach end plus theirs hopper fare so I think cutting the 101 to beckton wouldn’t be harmful. If tfl hates 101 just merge it with the 304 so Wanstead to custom house 2. 330 shouldn’t be terminated at pontoon dock especially since their DLR parallel to the south part of the route just extend the 330 to LCA, which gives the route more purpose also extending the route 241 from custom house to pontoon dock is a good idea for extra links. 3. 300 should be converted to DD operation if it could happen from beckton bus station it’s full up until leaving passengers behind. Outer scope of east London 1. 165 converted to DD operation and withdraw the 365 and reroute the 165 via orchard village both ways to maintain links and terminate it at rainham station instead abbey Wood Lane is heavily overbussed carrying excessive capacity and 287 can cope alone l, could be problematic due to 103 stand space at two Ham station. 252 can be extended to Havering park to maintain links and reroute via queens hospital. 248 with an 7-8 minute service on south street can cope alone fine. 2. 256 to be converted to DD operation and extended elsewhere since the hospital in Hornchurch closed down 256 could be extended elsewhere if needed 3. Extend the 346 from Upminster to Harold wood station gives it better link than the 347 because it comes every 2 hours and easier for people from Upminster to travel to places like Brentwood or shenfield if taking tfl Raul plus Harold Hill or Wood area. Every 15 minutes operations and Sunday service of 30 minutes. 347 still operates. 4. 370 Sunday service should be increased to 20 minutes up until evenings for 30 minutes usual operation. 5. Withdraw 396, extend EL3 to Newbury Park 6. Extend 375 to Ongar at every 20-30 minute service connects Ongar with the Elizabeth line 7. Increase PVR of the 123 so an every 8 minute service could happen as every 10 minutes the at the moment is struggling especially since buses at peak time is rammed. 8. Merge 215 and 357 as 357 does carry fresh air and hatch area can do without the 357 9. Extend the 349 to Hackney Central gives North London a link with central part of Hackney especially since the 349 duplicates a lot of routes and extent to Hackney gives it a unique purpose 10. Don’t withdraw the 48 and put 277 back to Highbury corner 11. Swap routing of 135 and D8 between crossharbour and Canary Wharf Instead of replacing 396 with EL3, I think the 396 should be renumbered 364A(or 374) and extended to Dagenham East via Goodmayes then 364 LOR. At peak times the route is full and standing from Dagenham. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 2, 2019 10:32:29 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would the 366 more manageable than it is.
Tfl don’t realise with all these drastic action including cuts and rerouting of buses in east London, it doesn’t show its main purpose and function for customer satisfaction. If I was tfl I would make these following changes even if they aren’t relevant to the crossrail changes in east London but as a whole in east London. 1. 262 shouldn’t be cut to Beckton, but understand why the 101 would. 262 is a double decker operation which is need especially at the end of its route towards East beckton connecting shoppers from north to south newham and 366 can’t cope alone especially since it’s SD operation not like it could be converted to DD operation. 101 can be cut to beckton operation because it’s not much lodgings trombone Gallons Reach end plus theirs hopper fare so I think cutting the 101 to beckton wouldn’t be harmful. If tfl hates 101 just merge it with the 304 so Wanstead to custom house 2. 330 shouldn’t be terminated at pontoon dock especially since their DLR parallel to the south part of the route just extend the 330 to LCA, which gives the route more purpose also extending the route 241 from custom house to pontoon dock is a good idea for extra links. 3. 300 should be converted to DD operation if it could happen from beckton bus station it’s full up until leaving passengers behind. Outer scope of east London 1. 165 converted to DD operation and withdraw the 365 and reroute the 165 via orchard village both ways to maintain links and terminate it at rainham station instead abbey Wood Lane is heavily overbussed carrying excessive capacity and 287 can cope alone l, could be problematic due to 103 stand space at two Ham station. 252 can be extended to Havering park to maintain links and reroute via queens hospital. 248 with an 7-8 minute service on south street can cope alone fine, additionally make 165 24 hour route so rainham has a overnight bus or N174 Harold hill to Rainham. 2. 256 to be converted to DD operation and extended elsewhere since the hospital in Hornchurch closed down 256 could be extended elsewhere if needed 3. Extend the 346 from Upminster to Harold wood station gives it better link than the 347 because it comes every 2 hours and easier for people from Upminster to travel to places like Brentwood or shenfield if taking tfl Raul plus Harold Hill or Wood area. Every 15 minutes operations and Sunday service of 30 minutes. 347 still operates. 4. 370 Sunday service should be increased to 20 minutes up until evenings for 30 minutes usual operation. 5. Withdraw 396, extend EL3 to Newbury Park 6. Extend 375 to Ongar at every 20-30 minute service connects Ongar with the Elizabeth line 7. Increase PVR of the 123 so an every 8 minute service could happen as every 10 minutes the at the moment is struggling especially since buses at peak time is rammed. 8. Merge 215 and 357 as 357 does carry fresh air and hatch area can do without the 357 9. Extend the 349 to Hackney Central gives North London a link with central part of Hackney especially since the 349 duplicates a lot of routes and extent to Hackney gives it a unique purpose 10. Don’t withdraw the 48 and put 277 back to Highbury corner 11. Swap routing of 135 and D8 between crossharbour and Canary Wharf A few thoughts from a non local so probably means nothing: Hate is a strong even from someone like me who has criticised TfL a lot recently. The 300 has just been upgraded in capacity to 10.8m single deckers so whether it can use deckers or not, I can't see it happening. The 256 is to convert to double deckers bar a change of plans upon retender The whole point of the 346 is it's a local feeder service from the Upminster Park Estate to Upminster Station so can't understand any extension personally. I've a enthusiast mate who lives in Harold Wood so might ask him his thoughts on that. I also think having that & the 347 running to Harold Wood sounds like massive overkill The 396 provides a short but direct link to King George Hospital which is probably wise given the A12 & Gants Hill enjoys snarling up. The 357 provides assistance along the Walthamstow to Chingford Mount corridor as well as the link to Whipps Cross. I'm interested to know why Chingford Hatch can do without the 357 as IIRC, the 444 & W16 serve less of Chingford Hatch? Due to the removal of the Highbury Corner one way system and subsequent pedestrianisation of one side, it's not possible to terminate the 277 there. |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 2, 2019 11:04:34 GMT
TfL have the bloody cheek to say usage on the 262 has gone down between 2006 & 2015, maybe because they pulled out the 262 from Showcase Cinema when people readily used the route from Stratford to that destination?! Let me try to bulletpoint the rest to keep my distain concise:
- in the previous South Newham documentation, TfL proposed that the rerouted 104 will have the option to be extended to ABP after terminating at Beckton Station. Fail to see how the 101, 104 and 262 will all fit onto stands within the bus station.
- it is completely pointless talking about an increase to 5bph on the 376 when the ABP residents aren't within easy access to use the route.
- research has shown (as recently as last month) that high street shopping is still slowly dying but out-of-town retail centres (like Gallions Reach Shopping Park) has seen increases in shopping activity. The 101 shouldn't be pulled out of the area, simple.
- the Custom House stand looks dead in the water gauging by TfL's proposal to send the 241 up to ABP, as well as that unnecessary Here East extension in the Olympic Park.
The 325 and 241's proposals look the best out of a bad bunch, but would be indeed overkill if they were to be both extended to ABP considering they share the same corridor. I think the rerouted 104 should come into the new development from the east (with help from the new ramp at Beckton Park) and either the 241/325 approach ABP from the west. From the looks of Custom House and the lack of a bus stand at present, it'll likely be the 241 going to ABP rather than the 325.
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 2, 2019 12:09:40 GMT
TfL have the bloody cheek to say usage on the 262 has gone down between 2006 & 2015, maybe because they pulled out the 262 from Showcase Cinema when people readily used the route from Stratford to that destination?! Let me try to bulletpoint the rest to keep my distain concise: - in the previous South Newham documentation, TfL proposed that the rerouted 104 will have the option to be extended to ABP after terminating at Beckton Station. Fail to see how the 101, 104 and 262 will all fit onto stands within the bus station. - it is completely pointless talking about an increase to 5bph on the 376 when the ABP residents aren't within easy access to use the route. - research has shown (as recently as last month) that high street shopping is still slowly dying but out-of-town retail centres (like Gallions Reach Shopping Park) has seen increases in shopping activity. The 101 shouldn't be pulled out of the area, simple. - the Custom House stand looks dead in the water gauging by TfL's proposal to send the 241 up to ABP, as well as that unnecessary Here East extension in the Olympic Park. The 325 and 241's proposals look the best out of a bad bunch, but would be indeed overkill if they were to be both extended to ABP considering they share the same corridor. I think the rerouted 104 should come into the new development from the east (with help from the new ramp at Beckton Park) and either the 241/325 approach ABP from the west. From the looks of Custom House and the lack of a bus stand at present, it'll likely be the 241 going to ABP rather than the 325. I think it was suggested that the 101 & 325 would be most likely to extend to the ABP development. The 241 was suggested for an extension to a new development near West Silvertown Station. Still don't understand the reason for rhe 330/474 changes when the 473 already provides the link the revised 474 will. Wouldn't it be better to route the 330 via Kier Hardie Estate and Prince Regent, with the 474 unchanged? |
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Post by enviroPB on Sept 2, 2019 13:34:27 GMT
TfL have the bloody cheek to say usage on the 262 has gone down between 2006 & 2015, maybe because they pulled out the 262 from Showcase Cinema when people readily used the route from Stratford to that destination?! Let me try to bulletpoint the rest to keep my distain concise: - in the previous South Newham documentation, TfL proposed that the rerouted 104 will have the option to be extended to ABP after terminating at Beckton Station. Fail to see how the 101, 104 and 262 will all fit onto stands within the bus station. - it is completely pointless talking about an increase to 5bph on the 376 when the ABP residents aren't within easy access to use the route. - research has shown (as recently as last month) that high street shopping is still slowly dying but out-of-town retail centres (like Gallions Reach Shopping Park) has seen increases in shopping activity. The 101 shouldn't be pulled out of the area, simple. - the Custom House stand looks dead in the water gauging by TfL's proposal to send the 241 up to ABP, as well as that unnecessary Here East extension in the Olympic Park. The 325 and 241's proposals look the best out of a bad bunch, but would be indeed overkill if they were to be both extended to ABP considering they share the same corridor. I think the rerouted 104 should come into the new development from the east (with help from the new ramp at Beckton Park) and either the 241/325 approach ABP from the west. From the looks of Custom House and the lack of a bus stand at present, it'll likely be the 241 going to ABP rather than the 325. I think it was suggested that the 101 & 325 would be most likely to extend to the ABP development. The 241 was suggested for an extension to a new development near West Silvertown Station. Still don't understand the reason for rhe 330/474 changes when the 473 already provides the link the revised 474 will. Wouldn't it be better to route the 330 via Kier Hardie Estate and Prince Regent, with the 474 unchanged? In order: I know what TfL have put forward as their proposals; as a local and someone with overall sanity I have mentioned the routes that would add less disruption to south Newham residents and actually add to the bus network. Propping up the 376's frequency does diddly squat for residents at ABP. Are you sure you're not confusing the 241 with the 330? The 473 at present does not go to Custom House station. The idea to send the 473 via the 241's routing up to Plaistow was quickly revoked due to the amount of broken journeys that reroute would create. I understand TfL's reasoning behind rerouting the 474 to Custom House, so as to cover more of the North Woolwich catchment area to funnel passengers to the Crossrail station. Assuming this 474 change is still going ahead, I just hope the N551 is rerouted as well to avoid overbussing at night between Canning Town, Kier Hardie & Custom House. Ideally the N551 should plug the nighttime gap in Silvertown left vacant by the 474. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 2, 2019 14:18:53 GMT
I think it was suggested that the 101 & 325 would be most likely to extend to the ABP development. The 241 was suggested for an extension to a new development near West Silvertown Station. Still don't understand the reason for rhe 330/474 changes when the 473 already provides the link the revised 474 will. Wouldn't it be better to route the 330 via Kier Hardie Estate and Prince Regent, with the 474 unchanged? In order: I know what TfL have put forward as their proposals; as a local and someone with overall sanity I have mentioned the routes that would add less disruption to south Newham residents and actually add to the bus network. Propping up the 376's frequency does diddly squat for residents at ABP. Are you sure you're not confusing the 241 with the 330? The 473 at present does not go to Custom House station. The idea to send the 473 via the 241's routing up to Plaistow was quickly revoked due to the amount of broken journeys that reroute would create. I understand TfL's reasoning behind rerouting the 474 to Custom House, so as to cover more of the North Woolwich catchment area to funnel passengers to the Crossrail station. Assuming this 474 change is still going ahead, I just hope the N551 is rerouted as well to avoid overbussing at night between Canning Town, Kier Hardie & Custom House. Ideally the N551 should plug the nighttime gap in Silvertown left vacant by the 474. While there are reasons for the 474 change, it still breaks links, particularly around West Silvertown / Pontoon Dock. My suggestion was to extemd the 330 from Canning Town via the proposed 474 routeing, I would also terminate the 330 at City Airport rather than by Connaught Bridge. That way, all benefits of the 474 extension are covered, without breaking any links from the existing 474. Other routes such as the 304 will link Custom House (for Crossrail) to areas around Beckton. Also, the Network Development Paper had a section separate to the Elizabeth Line changes and ABP proposals - regarding a future development around West Silvertown. There was a suggestion to extend the 241 from Custom House to the development, via Prince Regent, Connaught Bridge and Pontoon Dock. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 2, 2019 18:10:50 GMT
I do think cutting both the 101 and 262 is short sighted especially with the new housing developments coming up by Gallions Reach Station, 101 to Royal Albert is fine as long as it doesn't cutting back to Beckton Station first before extending it there though I would prefer the rerouted 104 to be extended there and leaving the 101 as it is.
Also, one thing I would do instead is split the 366 into two routes by Barking, with the current 366 running between Barking and Redbridge and a new route running between Barking and Beckton Station with a possibility to extend somewhere like Royal Albert ABP or Custom House, only issue with that is lack of stand space by Barking Station for the route coming from Beckton but other than that it would the 366 more manageable than it is.
Tfl don’t realise with all these drastic action including cuts and rerouting of buses in east London, it doesn’t show its main purpose and function for customer satisfaction. If I was tfl I would make these following changes even if they aren’t relevant to the crossrail changes in east London but as a whole in east London. 1. 262 shouldn’t be cut to Beckton, but understand why the 101 would. 262 is a double decker operation which is need especially at the end of its route towards East beckton connecting shoppers from north to south newham and 366 can’t cope alone especially since it’s SD operation not like it could be converted to DD operation. 101 can be cut to beckton operation because it’s not much lodgings trombone Gallons Reach end plus theirs hopper fare so I think cutting the 101 to beckton wouldn’t be harmful. If tfl hates 101 just merge it with the 304 so Wanstead to custom house 2. 330 shouldn’t be terminated at pontoon dock especially since their DLR parallel to the south part of the route just extend the 330 to LCA, which gives the route more purpose also extending the route 241 from custom house to pontoon dock is a good idea for extra links. 3. 300 should be converted to DD operation if it could happen from beckton bus station it’s full up until leaving passengers behind. Outer scope of east London 1. 165 converted to DD operation and withdraw the 365 and reroute the 165 via orchard village both ways to maintain links and terminate it at rainham station instead abbey Wood Lane is heavily overbussed carrying excessive capacity and 287 can cope alone l, could be problematic due to 103 stand space at two Ham station. 252 can be extended to Havering park to maintain links and reroute via queens hospital. 248 with an 7-8 minute service on south street can cope alone fine, additionally make 165 24 hour route so rainham has a overnight bus or N174 Harold hill to Rainham. 2. 256 to be converted to DD operation and extended elsewhere since the hospital in Hornchurch closed down 256 could be extended elsewhere if needed 3. Extend the 346 from Upminster to Harold wood station gives it better link than the 347 because it comes every 2 hours and easier for people from Upminster to travel to places like Brentwood or shenfield if taking tfl Raul plus Harold Hill or Wood area. Every 15 minutes operations and Sunday service of 30 minutes. 347 still operates. 4. 370 Sunday service should be increased to 20 minutes up until evenings for 30 minutes usual operation. 5. Withdraw 396, extend EL3 to Newbury Park 6. Extend 375 to Ongar at every 20-30 minute service connects Ongar with the Elizabeth line 7. Increase PVR of the 123 so an every 8 minute service could happen as every 10 minutes the at the moment is struggling especially since buses at peak time is rammed. 8. Merge 215 and 357 as 357 does carry fresh air and hatch area can do without the 357 9. Extend the 349 to Hackney Central gives North London a link with central part of Hackney especially since the 349 duplicates a lot of routes and extent to Hackney gives it a unique purpose 10. Don’t withdraw the 48 and put 277 back to Highbury corner 11. Swap routing of 135 and D8 between crossharbour and Canary Wharf so in order- - Merging the 101 and 304 would make the route far too long, plus Lonsdale Avenue will lose its connections to wherever the 304 will be going - merging the 165 and 365 will make journey times from Romford to Rainham even longer, Orchard Village will lose its connection to Romford - is there really the demand for the level of service an extended 346 would provide between Upminster and Harold Wood. The 347 isn't exactly busy. Upmister folk can use the Overground to connect with Shenfield and Brentwood via Romford if needed - Withdrawing the 396 will mean Ilford loses its direct connection with King George Hospital |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 19:39:07 GMT
Bit late replying to this properly but it seems mad to cut buses in a area where lots of housing is being developed (Gallions Reach) to provide buses in another area where housing is being developed! Feels very much like robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Cutting the 262 and 101 from Gallions Reach is just madness - if anything i would suggest curtailing the 366 at Gallions Reach and retaining double deckers towards Asda. When I read this initially I thought it might have been a revised Crossrail proposal but thankfully this proposal is many years away so hopefully will be reviewed again!
The 241 proposal is interesting and gives the route a bit more purpose but wonder if anything could be done with the 330 instead or just terminating at Connaught Bridge.
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Post by Arriva London Explorer on Sept 3, 2019 9:03:54 GMT
Tfl don’t realise with all these drastic action including cuts and rerouting of buses in east London, it doesn’t show its main purpose and function for customer satisfaction. If I was tfl I would make these following changes even if they aren’t relevant to the crossrail changes in east London but as a whole in east London. 1. 262 shouldn’t be cut to Beckton, but understand why the 101 would. 262 is a double decker operation which is need especially at the end of its route towards East beckton connecting shoppers from north to south newham and 366 can’t cope alone especially since it’s SD operation not like it could be converted to DD operation. 101 can be cut to beckton operation because it’s not much lodgings trombone Gallons Reach end plus theirs hopper fare so I think cutting the 101 to beckton wouldn’t be harmful. If tfl hates 101 just merge it with the 304 so Wanstead to custom house 2. 330 shouldn’t be terminated at pontoon dock especially since their DLR parallel to the south part of the route just extend the 330 to LCA, which gives the route more purpose also extending the route 241 from custom house to pontoon dock is a good idea for extra links. 3. 300 should be converted to DD operation if it could happen from beckton bus station it’s full up until leaving passengers behind. Outer scope of east London 1. 165 converted to DD operation and withdraw the 365 and reroute the 165 via orchard village both ways to maintain links and terminate it at rainham station instead abbey Wood Lane is heavily overbussed carrying excessive capacity and 287 can cope alone l, could be problematic due to 103 stand space at two Ham station. 252 can be extended to Havering park to maintain links and reroute via queens hospital. 248 with an 7-8 minute service on south street can cope alone fine, additionally make 165 24 hour route so rainham has a overnight bus or N174 Harold hill to Rainham. 2. 256 to be converted to DD operation and extended elsewhere since the hospital in Hornchurch closed down 256 could be extended elsewhere if needed 3. Extend the 346 from Upminster to Harold wood station gives it better link than the 347 because it comes every 2 hours and easier for people from Upminster to travel to places like Brentwood or shenfield if taking tfl Raul plus Harold Hill or Wood area. Every 15 minutes operations and Sunday service of 30 minutes. 347 still operates. 4. 370 Sunday service should be increased to 20 minutes up until evenings for 30 minutes usual operation. 5. Withdraw 396, extend EL3 to Newbury Park 6. Extend 375 to Ongar at every 20-30 minute service connects Ongar with the Elizabeth line 7. Increase PVR of the 123 so an every 8 minute service could happen as every 10 minutes the at the moment is struggling especially since buses at peak time is rammed. 8. Merge 215 and 357 as 357 does carry fresh air and hatch area can do without the 357 9. Extend the 349 to Hackney Central gives North London a link with central part of Hackney especially since the 349 duplicates a lot of routes and extent to Hackney gives it a unique purpose 10. Don’t withdraw the 48 and put 277 back to Highbury corner 11. Swap routing of 135 and D8 between crossharbour and Canary Wharf A few thoughts from a non local so probably means nothing: Hate is a strong even from someone like me who has criticised TfL a lot recently. The 300 has just been upgraded in capacity to 10.8m single deckers so whether it can use deckers or not, I can't see it happening. The 256 is to convert to double deckers bar a change of plans upon retender The whole point of the 346 is it's a local feeder service from the Upminster Park Estate to Upminster Station so can't understand any extension personally. I've a enthusiast mate who lives in Harold Wood so might ask him his thoughts on that. I also think having that & the 347 running to Harold Wood sounds like massive overkill The 396 provides a short but direct link to King George Hospital which is probably wise given the A12 & Gants Hill enjoys snarling up. The 357 provides assistance along the Walthamstow to Chingford Mount corridor as well as the link to Whipps Cross. I'm interested to know why Chingford Hatch can do without the 357 as IIRC, the 444 & W16 serve less of Chingford Hatch? Due to the removal of the Highbury Corner one way system and subsequent pedestrianisation of one side, it's not possible to terminate the 277 there. Thank you for opinion, I hope they bid the 256 with double decker because it’s such a busy route especially as a local around the north part of the route, it’s struggling and I don’t think a frequency increase needs to happen just more capacity. Many local residence around Harold wood complain theirs not a insufficient bus route between Upminster and Harold wood that’s why I suggest extending the 346 their or even with the new route 497 extend to Upminster station, the 347 isn’t sufficient it has use to an extent or a frequency increase on the 347 needs to happen. I understand why 396 is their but with tfl hopper fare just extend EL3 to Newbury Park not extend the 396 elsewhere like places like Romford for example because the 86 needs assistance because the 296 might as well do a double runs. I understand with the 277 change just shame the orbital east to north section is gone. 357 parallels with a lot of routes and carry Fresh air 215 might as well merge and you have 212 or W16 or 444 to make hopper fare with |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 12, 2021 16:40:57 GMT
A few years ago, I remember reading a document which outlined possible bus services for the Silvertown Tunnel. Don't suppose anyone knows whereabouts I could find it?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 12, 2021 16:50:19 GMT
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