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Post by ronnie on Sept 25, 2018 9:54:44 GMT
The problem is we have no real decent leaders or politicians bar some at local level anymore and it's basically become a playground full of either spoilt public school kids or nutty ultra lefties. May seems like she wants to be Thatcher 2.0 but is too roobotic & weak to ever get there.....thankfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn, along with his moronic sidekick John McDonald, is extremely dangerous given his links to terrorist groups like the IRA & Hamas as well as counting some very dodgy people as friends such as the current Venezuela dictator who I believe is currently starving his people to death. Not since Tony Blair have I really trusted a leader and look what he did with his foreign policy - Brown was way too weak whilst Cameron was very smug and knew nothing about what ordinary people wanted. I remember the Blair revolution well- and that's exactly what the country needs right now- a strong leader who can inspire people of all ages from young to old. All Maybot can talk about is "strong and stable" which may be ok for a certain people but it does it does nothing to inspire people of my age (late thirty-somethings) and the future generations. I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but I simply cannot vote for Corbyn. There's plenty of other people in the parlianentary Labour party who would make a great leader, but that person is not Jeremy. It's sad that the only leader who can inspire a generation of young people to want to do better and to inspire a country is the SNP leader, and I can't vote for her. Agree. Strong leadership is something sorely missing at this stage. Parties across the spectrum are simply bereft of this (May? appears lost. Corbyn - no bloody way. libdems - dont have scale). In times of crisis, one needs an icon who can hold fort and motivate people, especially in tense times like this when people are split down the middle. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 25, 2018 10:22:08 GMT
I remember the Blair revolution well- and that's exactly what the country needs right now- a strong leader who can inspire people of all ages from young to old. All Maybot can talk about is "strong and stable" which may be ok for a certain people but it does it does nothing to inspire people of my age (late thirty-somethings) and the future generations. I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but I simply cannot vote for Corbyn. There's plenty of other people in the parlianentary Labour party who would make a great leader, but that person is not Jeremy. It's sad that the only leader who can inspire a generation of young people to want to do better and to inspire a country is the SNP leader, and I can't vote for her. Agree. Strong leadership is something sorely missing at this stage. Parties across the spectrum are simply bereft of this (May? appears lost. Corbyn - no bloody way. libdems - dont have scale). In times of crisis, one needs an icon who can hold fort and motivate people, especially in tense times like this when people are split down the middle. That Icon most definitely isn't Bozo Johnson, Rees-Mogg and definitely not Farage |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2018 10:23:28 GMT
The problem is we have no real decent leaders or politicians bar some at local level anymore and it's basically become a playground full of either spoilt public school kids or nutty ultra lefties. May seems like she wants to be Thatcher 2.0 but is too roobotic & weak to ever get there.....thankfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn, along with his moronic sidekick John McDonald, is extremely dangerous given his links to terrorist groups like the IRA & Hamas as well as counting some very dodgy people as friends such as the current Venezuela dictator who I believe is currently starving his people to death. Not since Tony Blair have I really trusted a leader and look what he did with his foreign policy - Brown was way too weak whilst Cameron was very smug and knew nothing about what ordinary people wanted. I remember the Blair revolution well- and that's exactly what the country needs right now- a strong leader who can inspire people of all ages from young to old. All Maybot can talk about is "strong and stable" which may be ok for a certain people but it does it does nothing to inspire people of my age (late thirty-somethings) and the future generations. I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but I simply cannot vote for Corbyn. There's plenty of other people in the parlianentary Labour party who would make a great leader, but that person is not Jeremy. It's sad that the only leader who can inspire a generation of young people to want to do better and to inspire a country is the SNP leader, and I can't vote for her. I was agreeing until you said the SNP leader lol. I'm not a fan of her nor was I one of Alex Sammond and it seems Scottish people are beginning to go off her because of the constant independence policy she keeps bringing up. |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 25, 2018 12:43:09 GMT
Agree. Strong leadership is something sorely missing at this stage. Parties across the spectrum are simply bereft of this (May? appears lost. Corbyn - no bloody way. libdems - dont have scale). In times of crisis, one needs an icon who can hold fort and motivate people, especially in tense times like this when people are split down the middle. That Icon most definitely isn't Bozo Johnson, Rees-Mogg and definitely not Farage Agree. Current brigade (across lines and views) doesnt inspire any confidence whatsoever |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 8:55:18 GMT
Anyhow all things aside let's celebrate they used a double decker bus and not a 7.5t lorry or the likes. That should be a winning factor for leaving. The remoaners didn't use a bus did they...no. lol
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2018 11:09:08 GMT
Anyhow all things aside let's celebrate they used a double decker bus and not a 7.5t lorry or the likes. That should be a winning factor for leaving. The remoaners didn't use a bus did they...no. lol I'm a fellow Leaver like you but I don't see the need to call Remainers Remoaners - better to be respectful in the debate personally. |
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Post by sid on Sept 27, 2018 11:25:27 GMT
Anyhow all things aside let's celebrate they used a double decker bus and not a 7.5t lorry or the likes. That should be a winning factor for leaving. The remoaners didn't use a bus did they...no. lol I'm a fellow Leaver like you but I don't see the need to call Remainers Remoaners - better to be respectful in the debate personally. The remoaners tag is usually aimed at those who refuse to accept the referendum result and are forever demanding reruns. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 27, 2018 11:30:10 GMT
I'm a fellow Leaver like you but I don't see the need to call Remainers Remoaners - better to be respectful in the debate personally. The remoaners tag is usually aimed at those who refuse to accept the referendum result and are forever demanding reruns. I'm aware who it's aimed that - it still doesn't mean that it's necessary to use it. |
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Post by sid on Sept 27, 2018 11:35:32 GMT
The remoaners tag is usually aimed at those who refuse to accept the referendum result and are forever demanding reruns. I'm aware who it's aimed that - it still doesn't mean that it's necessary to use it. Well it hardly seems unreasonable to me, most remainers accept the referendum result. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 15:27:44 GMT
Jeez, I give up.
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 29, 2018 5:51:33 GMT
How did you get hold of May's above transcript of what she'll say to Barnier in November?  |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 6, 2018 8:52:46 GMT
Anyhow all things aside let's celebrate they used a double decker bus and not a 7.5t lorry or the likes. That should be a winning factor for leaving. The remoaners didn't use a bus did they...no. lol I'm a fellow Leaver like you but I don't see the need to call Remainers Remoaners - better to be respectful in the debate personally. I agree to differ with any individual who voted Leave. After all, it was a democratic choice for us all. I expressed some reasons for preferring us to remain in the EU earlier in this forum. As whether we really leave without a deal is for the future, I shall refrain from further comment on such an outcome. What bothered me even more than the result itself was the campaign, which was basically a ficticious promise for extra NHS funding together with directly or indirectly slamming immigrants. What were people in other countries supposed to feel about that? I was on holiday in Ireland when the referendum happened, although I did cast my postal vote beforehand. I saw and felt the enormous concerns of people locally as how Brexit could hit Ireland. I even gave some thought to moving there and made some initial enquiries. I have not gone through with it, so that among other reasons I have not let Leave voters drive me out of the country. I have as a compromise made 2 resolutions instead. The first is to live as much of my life as possible in boroughs that voted Remain. The second is that I arrange a majority of my bus enthusiast travels to be based in areas that voted Remain. I even have a formula to ensure that any 3-month period is at best neutral and any half-year at least 60% Remain-based. This does of course favour London travels quite a bit, as I always remember that London says Remain.  |
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Post by galwhv69 on Oct 6, 2018 15:32:58 GMT
Pimlico Plumbers have the right idea
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 6, 2018 16:06:40 GMT
Pimlico Plumbers have the right idea sorry what do Pimlico plumbers do? |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2018 16:32:10 GMT
I'm a fellow Leaver like you but I don't see the need to call Remainers Remoaners - better to be respectful in the debate personally. I agree to differ with any individual who voted Leave. After all, it was a democratic choice for us all. I expressed some reasons for preferring us to remain in the EU earlier in this forum. As whether we really leave without a deal is for the future, I shall refrain from further comment on such an outcome. What bothered me even more than the result itself was the campaign, which was basically a ficticious promise for extra NHS funding together with directly or indirectly slamming immigrants. What were people in other countries supposed to feel about that? I was on holiday in Ireland when the referendum happened, although I did cast my postal vote beforehand. I saw and felt the enormous concerns of people locally as how Brexit could hit Ireland. I even gave some thought to moving there and made some initial enquiries. I have not gone through with it, so that among other reasons I have not let Leave voters drive me out of the country. I have as a compromise made 2 resolutions instead. The first is to live as much of my life as possible in boroughs that voted Remain. The second is that I arrange a majority of my bus enthusiast travels to be based in areas that voted Remain. I even have a formula to ensure that any 3-month period is at best neutral and any half-year at least 60% Remain-based. This does of course favour London travels quite a bit, as I always remember that London says Remain. I’m not sure what your getting at in your first paragraph - all I said was I don’t think it’s correct or clever to call Remainers Remoaners even though I voted Leave as did a lot of my friends - I feel no one should be victimised for voting for either Leave or Remain but sadly there are people on both sides who have done that and it’s their voices that shout the loudest. Both campaigns were packed full of lies, not just the £350m NHS one that Leave peddled out - my vote was not based on that or the rest of the campaign because of the lies but it was my gut feeling that leaving was the best decision IMO. One thing I certainly wouldn’t do is tell someone they’re wrong to vote Remain and no one should have the audacity to be coming out calling for a second referendum just Sturgeon did the same in Scotland. |
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