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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 24, 2018 14:13:15 GMT
In reply to myself-
I'm also yet to hear a good reason why people are putting their trust in May, David Davis, Reese-Mogg, Bozo Johnson and Nigel Farage.
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Post by sid on Sept 24, 2018 14:22:10 GMT
Are you ok?
What's wrong with immigration you ask? Well in reasonable numbers nothing whatsoever. However if you live in a two up two down semi detached you don't invite all your family and friends round for a sleepover do you? Do you see my point? Are you aware of the housing crisis in this country?
I'm slightly puzzled as to why allowing illegal migrants to stroll in to the UK unhindered is a good idea? Should we even bother with borders at all? Obviously many people from overseas contribute greatly, I'm thinking of doctors and nurses and anybody else who has the skills that we are short of in the UK but do we really need an endless steam of unskilled workers when have a surplus as it is? How does allowing anyone from anywhere to come here at any time whatever their status, skillset or past actions may be help this society? I'm sure ISIS like the idea as do Putin and his cronies as well as most of the third World, I'm just not sure how it benefits the UK?
If I wanted to go and live in Australia I'd have to meet a certain criteria, is it unreasonable for a similar criteria to apply in the UK?
Oh and don't bring intolerance towards people of a different skin tone into it, that really is scraping the barrel. This isn't about race it's about the simple logistics of an over populated country and it goes without saying that telling people to "go home" is unacceptable.
How is it scraping the barrel? Its a sad fact that Brexit and the rise of the right-wing has seen an increase in intolerance towards skin colour and different accents, I was not suggesting for a moment that anyone here was of that mindset. The housing crisis is down to a lack of investment in social housing through generations of governments and the ability for council Tennants to buy their council home for next to nothing (yet another Tory policy.) With regards to the "open door policy" we've had an open door for centuries, leaving the EU isnt going to change that As for tackling Diesh, Putin and the like, surely we're better in Europe rather than on the outside? I've yet to hear any good reason for the UK to leave the EU, especially if it turns out to be a "No Deal" Brexit. I've yet to see any good reason why the UK should cast itself out on its own. That's nothing to do with Brexit, there have always been a minority of people like that.
Yes there are other factors behind the housing crisis but there simply isn't the infrastructure to cope with uncontrolled immigration.
I've yet to hear a good reason for staying in the EU but each to their own opinion.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 24, 2018 14:43:16 GMT
Are you ok?
What's wrong with immigration you ask? Well in reasonable numbers nothing whatsoever. However if you live in a two up two down semi detached you don't invite all your family and friends round for a sleepover do you? Do you see my point? Are you aware of the housing crisis in this country?
I'm slightly puzzled as to why allowing illegal migrants to stroll in to the UK unhindered is a good idea? Should we even bother with borders at all? Obviously many people from overseas contribute greatly, I'm thinking of doctors and nurses and anybody else who has the skills that we are short of in the UK but do we really need an endless steam of unskilled workers when have a surplus as it is? How does allowing anyone from anywhere to come here at any time whatever their status, skillset or past actions may be help this society? I'm sure ISIS like the idea as do Putin and his cronies as well as most of the third World, I'm just not sure how it benefits the UK?
If I wanted to go and live in Australia I'd have to meet a certain criteria, is it unreasonable for a similar criteria to apply in the UK?
Oh and don't bring intolerance towards people of a different skin tone into it, that really is scraping the barrel. This isn't about race it's about the simple logistics of an over populated country and it goes without saying that telling people to "go home" is unacceptable.
How is it scraping the barrel? Its a sad fact that Brexit and the rise of the right-wing has seen an increase in intolerance towards skin colour and different accents, I was not suggesting for a moment that anyone here was of that mindset. The housing crisis is down to a lack of investment in social housing through generations of governments and the ability for council Tennants to buy their council home for next to nothing (yet another Tory policy.) With regards to the "open door policy" we've had an open door for centuries, leaving the EU isnt going to change that As for tackling Diesh, Putin and the like, surely we're better in Europe rather than on the outside? I've yet to hear any good reason for the UK to leave the EU, especially if it turns out to be a "No Deal" Brexit. I've yet to see any good reason why the UK should cast itself out on its own. Ever since we voted out it was always clear we were going to leave on a no-deal ... the EU will only accept a deal that is beneficial to them and totally screws the UK ... but then the EU has been screwing the UK over for years, so why did anyone expect any different? It was always going to be a hard brexit, the moment we voted leave! Only deal the EU will offer will be so unpalletable to the UK public ... it will be worse than a hard brexit .. so prepare yourself. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 24, 2018 15:02:49 GMT
How is it scraping the barrel? Its a sad fact that Brexit and the rise of the right-wing has seen an increase in intolerance towards skin colour and different accents, I was not suggesting for a moment that anyone here was of that mindset. The housing crisis is down to a lack of investment in social housing through generations of governments and the ability for council Tennants to buy their council home for next to nothing (yet another Tory policy.) With regards to the "open door policy" we've had an open door for centuries, leaving the EU isnt going to change that As for tackling Diesh, Putin and the like, surely we're better in Europe rather than on the outside? I've yet to hear any good reason for the UK to leave the EU, especially if it turns out to be a "No Deal" Brexit. I've yet to see any good reason why the UK should cast itself out on its own. Ever since we voted out it was always clear we were going to leave on a no-deal ... the EU will only accept a deal that is beneficial to them and totally screws the UK ... but then the EU has been screwing the UK over for years, so why did anyone expect any different? It was always going to be a hard brexit, the moment we voted leave! Only deal the EU will offer will be so unpalletable to the UK public ... it will be worse than a hard brexit .. so prepare yourself. of course the EU going to come up with a deal that will benefit itself, that's what happens in every divorce. I'm preparing myself my stockpiling tins of food, paracetamol and learning to speak Russian. |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 24, 2018 15:09:26 GMT
Ever since we voted out it was always clear we were going to leave on a no-deal ... the EU will only accept a deal that is beneficial to them and totally screws the UK ... but then the EU has been screwing the UK over for years, so why did anyone expect any different? It was always going to be a hard brexit, the moment we voted leave! Only deal the EU will offer will be so unpalletable to the UK public ... it will be worse than a hard brexit .. so prepare yourself. of course the EU going to come up with a deal that will benefit itself, that's what happens in every divorce. I'm preparing myself my stockpiling tins of food, paracetamol and learning to speak Russian. Is that because you want to visit Salisbury Cathedral? Normally in a divorce the smaller party normally demands half of everything ... maybe that should have been our starting position! |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 24, 2018 17:38:48 GMT
In reply to myself- I'm also yet to hear a good reason why people are putting their trust in May, David Davis, Reese-Mogg, Bozo Johnson and Nigel Farage. Because they are geniuses |
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Post by busaholic on Sept 24, 2018 21:12:19 GMT
In reply to myself- I'm also yet to hear a good reason why people are putting their trust in May, David Davis, Reese-Mogg, Bozo Johnson and Nigel Farage. Because they are geniuses 'Stupidest boy in the class, from what I can remember of him' was the gist of the response from Farage's form master at Dulwich College quoted in his 'authorised' biography, adding 'certainly not university material'. Given the huge amounts Farage's parents must have coughed up over the years (he certainly had no scholarship) that's a pretty d*mning assessment, but then he probably revels in his stupidity just like his hero Donald. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 24, 2018 21:37:20 GMT
Ever since we voted out it was always clear we were going to leave on a no-deal ... the EU will only accept a deal that is beneficial to them and totally screws the UK ... but then the EU has been screwing the UK over for years, so why did anyone expect any different? It was always going to be a hard brexit, the moment we voted leave! Only deal the EU will offer will be so unpalletable to the UK public ... it will be worse than a hard brexit .. so prepare yourself. of course the EU going to come up with a deal that will benefit itself, that's what happens in every divorce. I'm preparing myself my stockpiling tins of food, paracetamol and learning to speak Russian. lol, talk about extreme |
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Post by sid on Sept 24, 2018 21:37:21 GMT
Because they are geniuses 'Stupidest boy in the class, from what I can remember of him' was the gist of the response from Farage's form master at Dulwich College quoted in his 'authorised' biography, adding 'certainly not university material'. Given the huge amounts Farage's parents must have coughed up over the years (he certainly had no scholarship) that's a pretty d*mning assessment, but then he probably revels in his stupidity just like his hero Donald. If he's stupid I don't know what that says about the rest of us? Look what he's achieved and all done without setting foot in parliament. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 24, 2018 21:40:52 GMT
I don't care if people have to wait at customs, I don't care if a new car costs more, I dont care if prices go up etc etc. If anyone interpreted the brexit bus message that they would spend ALL that money on the NHS then they were retarded. Anyone with common sense knows it didn't mean all of it. I just want out and to throw away the key. I'm sick to death of the EU's demands, sick of immigration overload, our Britishness is becoming offensive. I want OUR country back and for US to make our laws. Why should the UK bend over with pants down and grease up ready for the big EU shafting. They're going to punish us for leaving yes..who cares but they'll sure as hell make it hell for us if we suddenly remain. Be prepared for mass riots if we're told were remaining. Do remainers honestly think leavers would have made the big hoohaa song and dance the remoaners have made? No that's right we wouldn't because we're civilized. Well said |
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Post by busaholic on Sept 24, 2018 22:00:44 GMT
Do remainers honestly think leavers would have made the big hoohaa song and dance the remoaners have made? No that's right we wouldn't because we're civilized. From the moment after Thatcher was dispensed with by her party, to be replaced by John Major, the leavers have been obsessed with the subject to the detriment of everything else, hence the huge housing crisis, the refusal to maintain essential infrastructure like water mains, gas pipes, railway lines, etc etc. The idea these Eton educated pin-striped nonentities like Bill Cash (then) and Rees-Mogg (now) had or have anything useful to say is risible, as is the suggestion that they are 'anti-establishment'. Their sole reason for existence is personal advancement, at the expense of the rest of us. They would never have accepted the result, any more than Salmond ever accepted the result of the Scottish referendum on independence. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 24, 2018 22:40:24 GMT
Do remainers honestly think leavers would have made the big hoohaa song and dance the remoaners have made? No that's right we wouldn't because we're civilized. From the moment after Thatcher was dispensed with by her party, to be replaced by John Major, the leavers have been obsessed with the subject to the detriment of everything else, hence the huge housing crisis, the refusal to maintain essential infrastructure like water mains, gas pipes, railway lines, etc etc. The idea these Eton educated pin-striped nonentities like Bill Cash (then) and Rees-Mogg (now) had or have anything useful to say is risible, as is the suggestion that they are 'anti-establishment'. Their sole reason for existence is personal advancement, at the expense of the rest of us. They would never have accepted the result, any more than Salmond ever accepted the result of the Scottish referendum on independence. I couldn't have put it better myself. I remember in the mid 90s (96 maybe?) When John Redwood lead a leadership challenge against John Major, when Major told the rebels to "put up or shut up" Redwood was ripped to shreds by the mass media for looking like a member of the Star Trek cast and was considered to be a bit of a loon. I studied politics to degree level through this period and in to the New Labour era so remember it well. Now 20 years later, the mass media (including to a degree the BBC) are now giving the modern day "loons" like Farage, Johnson and the like the platform to speak. The Tory Party has always been split by Europe ever since Ted Heath in 1975 and that split has played a part in Tory politics ever since. It's just a shame that split has lead to the country pushing itself off the cliff of a no deal Brexit with no plan and no idea on what or how it is going to do it. The idea of having to stockpile medicines and food and turning the M20 in Kent to a massive lorry park were once laughable, but sadly, now a reality.Maybe that should have been pained on the side of a coach |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 24, 2018 23:29:53 GMT
From the moment after Thatcher was dispensed with by her party, to be replaced by John Major, the leavers have been obsessed with the subject to the detriment of everything else, hence the huge housing crisis, the refusal to maintain essential infrastructure like water mains, gas pipes, railway lines, etc etc. The idea these Eton educated pin-striped nonentities like Bill Cash (then) and Rees-Mogg (now) had or have anything useful to say is risible, as is the suggestion that they are 'anti-establishment'. Their sole reason for existence is personal advancement, at the expense of the rest of us. They would never have accepted the result, any more than Salmond ever accepted the result of the Scottish referendum on independence. I couldn't have put it better myself. I remember in the mid 90s (96 maybe?) When John Redwood lead a leadership challenge against John Major, when Major told the rebels to "put up or shut up" Redwood was ripped to shreds by the mass media for looking like a member of the Star Trek cast and was considered to be a bit of a loon. I studied politics to degree level through this period and in to the New Labour era so remember it well. Now 20 years later, the mass media (including to a degree the BBC) are now giving the modern day "loons" like Farage, Johnson and the like the platform to speak. The Tory Party has always been split by Europe ever since Ted Heath in 1975 and that split has played a part in Tory politics ever since. It's just a shame that split has lead to the country pushing itself off the cliff of a no deal Brexit with no plan and no idea on what or how it is going to do it. The idea of having to stockpile medicines and food and turning the M20 in Kent to a massive lorry park were once laughable, but sadly, now a reality.Maybe that should have been pained on the side of a coach I disagree, the BBC is so far left they are part of the reason we have Corbyn as the Labour party leader and why they selected Ed over David Milliband. If anything the BBC tried to ridicule people like Bojo and Farage, and deliberately keep what the majority of people want silent. Its the same way we are seeing these botched consultations that TfL push out that are engineered to make people answer it in their favour. People are fedup of being told how to use the toilet, how to pick their nose etc. Why on earth do you think America is in the situation they are in and ended up with Trump.
We were told how wonderful everything was with the EU back in school in the 80's, now it is a joke and far from the ideology that it set up to be similar to that of the United States. The UK has been taken for a ride and lost out a lot.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 25, 2018 0:48:18 GMT
From the moment after Thatcher was dispensed with by her party, to be replaced by John Major, the leavers have been obsessed with the subject to the detriment of everything else, hence the huge housing crisis, the refusal to maintain essential infrastructure like water mains, gas pipes, railway lines, etc etc. The idea these Eton educated pin-striped nonentities like Bill Cash (then) and Rees-Mogg (now) had or have anything useful to say is risible, as is the suggestion that they are 'anti-establishment'. Their sole reason for existence is personal advancement, at the expense of the rest of us. They would never have accepted the result, any more than Salmond ever accepted the result of the Scottish referendum on independence. I couldn't have put it better myself. I remember in the mid 90s (96 maybe?) When John Redwood lead a leadership challenge against John Major, when Major told the rebels to "put up or shut up" Redwood was ripped to shreds by the mass media for looking like a member of the Star Trek cast and was considered to be a bit of a loon. I studied politics to degree level through this period and in to the New Labour era so remember it well. Now 20 years later, the mass media (including to a degree the BBC) are now giving the modern day "loons" like Farage, Johnson and the like the platform to speak. The Tory Party has always been split by Europe ever since Ted Heath in 1975 and that split has played a part in Tory politics ever since. It's just a shame that split has lead to the country pushing itself off the cliff of a no deal Brexit with no plan and no idea on what or how it is going to do it. The idea of having to stockpile medicines and food and turning the M20 in Kent to a massive lorry park were once laughable, but sadly, now a reality.Maybe that should have been pained on the side of a coach The problem is we have no real decent leaders or politicians bar some at local level anymore and it's basically become a playground full of either spoilt public school kids or nutty ultra lefties. May seems like she wants to be Thatcher 2.0 but is too roobotic & weak to ever get there.....thankfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn, along with his moronic sidekick John McDonald, is extremely dangerous given his links to terrorist groups like the IRA & Hamas as well as counting some very dodgy people as friends such as the current Venezuela dictator who I believe is currently starving his people to death. Not since Tony Blair have I really trusted a leader and look what he did with his foreign policy - Brown was way too weak whilst Cameron was very smug and knew nothing about what ordinary people wanted. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Sept 25, 2018 9:38:49 GMT
I couldn't have put it better myself. I remember in the mid 90s (96 maybe?) When John Redwood lead a leadership challenge against John Major, when Major told the rebels to "put up or shut up" Redwood was ripped to shreds by the mass media for looking like a member of the Star Trek cast and was considered to be a bit of a loon. I studied politics to degree level through this period and in to the New Labour era so remember it well. Now 20 years later, the mass media (including to a degree the BBC) are now giving the modern day "loons" like Farage, Johnson and the like the platform to speak. The Tory Party has always been split by Europe ever since Ted Heath in 1975 and that split has played a part in Tory politics ever since. It's just a shame that split has lead to the country pushing itself off the cliff of a no deal Brexit with no plan and no idea on what or how it is going to do it. The idea of having to stockpile medicines and food and turning the M20 in Kent to a massive lorry park were once laughable, but sadly, now a reality.Maybe that should have been pained on the side of a coach The problem is we have no real decent leaders or politicians bar some at local level anymore and it's basically become a playground full of either spoilt public school kids or nutty ultra lefties. May seems like she wants to be Thatcher 2.0 but is too roobotic & weak to ever get there.....thankfully whilst Jeremy Corbyn, along with his moronic sidekick John McDonald, is extremely dangerous given his links to terrorist groups like the IRA & Hamas as well as counting some very dodgy people as friends such as the current Venezuela dictator who I believe is currently starving his people to death. Not since Tony Blair have I really trusted a leader and look what he did with his foreign policy - Brown was way too weak whilst Cameron was very smug and knew nothing about what ordinary people wanted. I remember the Blair revolution well- and that's exactly what the country needs right now- a strong leader who can inspire people of all ages from young to old. All Maybot can talk about is "strong and stable" which may be ok for a certain people but it does it does nothing to inspire people of my age (late thirty-somethings) and the future generations. I've been a Labour supporter all my life, but I simply cannot vote for Corbyn. There's plenty of other people in the parlianentary Labour party who would make a great leader, but that person is not Jeremy. It's sad that the only leader who can inspire a generation of young people to want to do better and to inspire a country is the SNP leader, and I can't vote for her. |
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