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Post by busman on Sept 17, 2019 10:12:27 GMT
It was actually one of Piers Morgan’s better interviews. He held her to account on the Lib Dem Brexit policy whilst tying it to their big sell out last time they earned a sizeable share of the vote. I have never voted for Lib Dem in my life and swore I would never do it after that betrayal of students. However they have got my vote now they have pledged to revoke Article 50 if they have a parliamentary majority. I couldn’t give a hoot about their other policies. I don’t doubt her determination to Remain. Deep down I think Swinson knows that even if they tried to revoke, parliament would probably block it and so we would end up with a 2nd referendum anyway. At least the Lib Dems are being transparent here. If I voted leave, I would be fuming with all those Tory MPs who voted down May’s deal 3 times whilst blocking no deal. They were elected to deliver Brexit and they are very close to blowing it. I thought it was a brilliant interview and Jo Swinson was left reeling. I think it's quite ridiculous to pledge to ignore the result of the referendum and flies in the face of democracy. I've never voted Tory before but Boris is the only credible option for me at the moment. I wonder what long term damage this is doing, I've got family in Australia and the whole thing looks like a pantomime to them. Johnson is certainly the man to deliver Brexit and I would not be surprised if he was able to come back with a deal. However even if he came back with a deal, he now has no parliamentary majority to back it. He will have to rely on support from Labour MPs to get any deal passed. As we know, Labour will only support a “Labour” Brexit 🙄 |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2019 10:22:57 GMT
I thought it was a brilliant interview and Jo Swinson was left reeling. I think it's quite ridiculous to pledge to ignore the result of the referendum and flies in the face of democracy. I've never voted Tory before but Boris is the only credible option for me at the moment. I wonder what long term damage this is doing, I've got family in Australia and the whole thing looks like a pantomime to them. Johnson is certainly the man to deliver Brexit and I would not be surprised if he was able to come back with a deal. However even if he came back with a deal, he now has no parliamentary majority to back it. He will have to rely on support from Labour MPs to get any deal passed. As we know, Labour will only support a “Labour” Brexit 🙄 Johnson won't get any deal because it's not what he wants - it's clear all along that he only wants a no deal and it's just smoke & mirrors regarding a deal with him. Labour are a sorry mess but it's no surprise given Momemtum effectively run the party with terrorist Corbyn in charge. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 10:23:08 GMT
I thought it was a brilliant interview and Jo Swinson was left reeling. I think it's quite ridiculous to pledge to ignore the result of the referendum and flies in the face of democracy. I've never voted Tory before but Boris is the only credible option for me at the moment. I wonder what long term damage this is doing, I've got family in Australia and the whole thing looks like a pantomime to them. Johnson is certainly the man to deliver Brexit and I would not be surprised if he was able to come back with a deal. However even if he came back with a deal, he now has no parliamentary majority to back it. He will have to rely on support from Labour MPs to get any deal passed. As we know, Labour will only support a “Labour” Brexit 🙄 In that case I guess we just leave without a deal? |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 17, 2019 10:55:30 GMT
They cannot prepare because the remainer bunch are a thorn in their side, no matter what, the remainers would do EVERYTHING to prevent brexit. Just like Brexiteers would do EVERYTHING to go ahead with leaving without proper prepation, thus risking damage to the economy. Although that would be tarring Brexiteers all with the same brush, just like some people tar Remainers with the same brush. A large amount of Remainers respect the result of the refurendum. Having such a divided country is what happens when you get a refurundum with such a close result. David Cameron has a lot to answer for. Also, if Brexit was such a great idea, it would be much easier to get people on side, and go ahead with preparing for it. You simply cannot blame others for all this. Of course, there are many trying to stop Brexit - but thats what happens with such a close result in a refurendum, with about half the population completely against something. Many Remainers have respected the result of the refurendum, and some just want to make sure we actually have a deal before leaving. Boris Johnson is a serial liar and a populist. I can't take anything he says seriously. How will Boris get a good deal in just over a month? Secondly, why are so many Brexiteers just desperate to leave as soon as possible, without properly preparing for it? You wouldn't go to a job interview without preparing, you woudn't have surgeons going into an operation without preparing. And leaving the EU is far more complicated than those examples. Surely it is best to have a proper plan in place, with a good deal, before leaving the EU? Fail to prepare = prepare to fail. Once we have actually left the EU, that isn't the end of it, its just the start of it! The country is prepared, its just that remoaners are saying we are not as an excuse to delay or stop brexit. Remoaners have no respect for the referendum, they are just trying every attempt to bend the rules, complete sour grapes. lol at Boris a serial liar. So is Blair and Corbyn.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 17, 2019 11:11:10 GMT
Well, firstly we haven't actually left yet! That will be the real test of how this will damage or assist our economy. Even if it ends up benefitting, it's a big gamble to take. Gambling with a country's economy seems like utter stupidity. Despite being a 'snowflake millenial remainer', I can see there could be some benefits with leaving the EU. But not with a no deal! There are hardly any countries trading in WTO terms. The uncertainty can't be blamed on Remainers! Well, maybe partly. Brexiteers have failed to prepare properly for this, I don't know how anyone could deny that. There are currently 164 member states in the WTO including the UK, it would be perfectly feasible to follow their guidance on trade going forward. The EU currently represents all its member nations so they would reasonably trade with us in the case of a no deal Brexit. I voted to leave but I don't think it should be without a deal but I also think it is shortsighted to take our number one bargaining tool off the table. All the MPs have simply done is to hand the EU control when our PM should have the control, lets not forget they need our billions to supprt failing economies in Greece, Spain etc not the other way around. I believe the EU should be more of an advisory body where nations met to solve disputes, reach agreements on trade, centralised banking, regulate free movement and to recommend laws rather than implement them etc rather than a law making government type body. I don't agree that a MEP from a 1000 miles away is allowed to make decisions on our future and vice versa, its wrong. We should have the power to implement the EU recommended laws and regulations but not make them mandatory. Businesses would adapt and change their products to follow EU legislation but not laws. I'm not saying the EU is a bad thing I just don't think it should be a government, we have our own government with people who represent us on a local level. To secure its future long term the EU needs to be a body that can advise and not control nations, we'd all be happier. Just imagine if the UN turned around and started telling nations to follows new laws there would be an uprise so why do we accept it from the EU?
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Post by N230UD on Sept 17, 2019 16:06:48 GMT
No, it sounds like you're losing the argument, as you are unable to properly reply to my points. Either that, or you're just another troll. You've rather proven the point. What argument am I losing? Erm, the arguement about whether or not a No Deal is a good or bad thing, and various other points. You have not responded to most of my points which suggests you don't know what you're talking about. |
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Post by N230UD on Sept 17, 2019 16:10:37 GMT
Just like Brexiteers would do EVERYTHING to go ahead with leaving without proper prepation, thus risking damage to the economy. Although that would be tarring Brexiteers all with the same brush, just like some people tar Remainers with the same brush. A large amount of Remainers respect the result of the refurendum. Having such a divided country is what happens when you get a refurundum with such a close result. David Cameron has a lot to answer for. Also, if Brexit was such a great idea, it would be much easier to get people on side, and go ahead with preparing for it. You simply cannot blame others for all this. Of course, there are many trying to stop Brexit - but thats what happens with such a close result in a refurendum, with about half the population completely against something. Many Remainers have respected the result of the refurendum, and some just want to make sure we actually have a deal before leaving. Boris Johnson is a serial liar and a populist. I can't take anything he says seriously. How will Boris get a good deal in just over a month? Secondly, why are so many Brexiteers just desperate to leave as soon as possible, without properly preparing for it? You wouldn't go to a job interview without preparing, you woudn't have surgeons going into an operation without preparing. And leaving the EU is far more complicated than those examples. Surely it is best to have a proper plan in place, with a good deal, before leaving the EU? Fail to prepare = prepare to fail. Once we have actually left the EU, that isn't the end of it, its just the start of it! The country is prepared, its just that remoaners are saying we are not as an excuse to delay or stop brexit. Remoaners have no respect for the referendum, they are just trying every attempt to bend the rules, complete sour grapes. lol at Boris a serial liar. So is Blair and Corbyn.
Please explain how this country is prepared. I'm very intrigued. Most remainers do respect the refurendum, but most people do not want No Deal. And of course, Brexiteers have not been bending the rules at all...... So, you're admitting Boris is a serial liar then, by saying 'so is....' |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2019 16:39:52 GMT
What's the point of people making their points if they're going to throw out silly phrases like Remoaners and sore loser. I maybe a Leave voter and disagree with how a certain number of Remainers have behaved but they are equally a number of Leavers who are merely hell bent on twisting debates to suit their own agendas so no one side can take the moral high ground on this - both Remain & Leave are to blame for how divided and how messy it has gotten. I had a feeling this thread would eventually become toxic and it's starting to take shape.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 16:59:03 GMT
You've rather proven the point. What argument am I losing? Erm, the arguement about whether or not a No Deal is a good or bad thing, and various other points. You have not responded to most of my points which suggests you don't know what you're talking about. All you are doing is becoming more and more rude and abusive. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 17:03:02 GMT
What's the point of people making their points if they're going to throw out silly phrases like Remoaners and sore loser. I maybe a Leave voter and disagree with how a certain number of Remainers have behaved but they are equally a number of Leavers who are merely hell bent on twisting debates to suit their own agendas so no one side can take the moral high ground on this - both Remain & Leave are to blame for how divided and how messy it has gotten. I had a feeling this thread would eventually become toxic and it's starting to take shape. Neither phrase is silly, have you appointed yourself as referee of the thread? |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 17, 2019 18:02:36 GMT
What's the point of people making their points if they're going to throw out silly phrases like Remoaners and sore loser. I maybe a Leave voter and disagree with how a certain number of Remainers have behaved but they are equally a number of Leavers who are merely hell bent on twisting debates to suit their own agendas so no one side can take the moral high ground on this - both Remain & Leave are to blame for how divided and how messy it has gotten. I had a feeling this thread would eventually become toxic and it's starting to take shape. Neither phrase is silly, have you appointed yourself as referee of the thread? If you've a problem, use the report function - that is what it's there after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:13:42 GMT
Neither phrase is silly, have you appointed yourself as referee of the thread? If you've a problem, use the report function - that is what it's there after all. It seems to be you that's got the problem, I can only suggest you take your own advice. |
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Post by N230UD on Sept 17, 2019 18:52:31 GMT
Erm, the arguement about whether or not a No Deal is a good or bad thing, and various other points. You have not responded to most of my points which suggests you don't know what you're talking about. All you are doing is becoming more and more rude and abusive. Bear in mind you called me a "sore loser". I think it's gone to the point where we should just agree to disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:30:54 GMT
Erm, the arguement about whether or not a No Deal is a good or bad thing, and various other points. You have not responded to most of my points which suggests you don't know what you're talking about. All you are doing is becoming more and more rude and abusive. And how about you stop trolling sid O sorry I mean @palacefan
Will probably get in trouble for this post but think you have been extremely rude and goading for reactions all day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 19:36:13 GMT
All you are doing is becoming more and more rude and abusive. Bear in mind you called me a "sore loser". I think it's gone to the point where we should just agree to disagree. I suggested that you were beginning to sound like one which isn't quite the same thing and you described Boris Johnson as a serial liar. Yes if Brexit can't be discussed in a civilized way it probably is best to do that. |
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