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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 25, 2016 18:40:22 GMT
Now a few idiots want London to be an independent country. Really...  would never work. I think there is much justification for the Mayor to ask for more powers in certain areas, as London on the whole didn't get their desired result. And if that makes me an idiot, so be it. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 25, 2016 18:55:32 GMT
The UK's EU commissioner has stepped down, and with David Cameron going, we may end up with Peter and his mate Steve from down the pub doing the EU exit negotiations.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 25, 2016 20:56:52 GMT
Now a few idiots want London to be an independent country. Really... Â would never work. I think there is much justification for the Mayor to ask for more powers in certain areas, as London on the whole didn't get their desired result. And if that makes me an idiot, so be it. Asking for more powers and wanting to be exempt from leaving the EU are two different things - don't forget that for years now, different Mayors of London have wanted more powers without any mention of Europe. Whatever the result, good or bad, we are in it together. |
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Post by jay38a on Jun 27, 2016 15:37:18 GMT
Bringing it back under the bus industry....what about TUPE?
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Post by snoggle on Jun 27, 2016 16:08:49 GMT
Bringing it back under the bus industry....what about TUPE? It will go as will protections on drivers' hours. We have most likely locked ourselves into perpetual right wing government in this country and they have no desire to protect workers' rights. They also don't believe in bus based transport so we can expect to see bus companies continue to decline and see their share prices hammered. And as so many bus companies are dependent on "non white, non British" labour I expect we will soon see a crisis in driver and engineer recruitment meaning service cuts will be inevitable. The more a section of society villifies others the more the others have no reason to stay. Expect that to be writ large in the NHS in a couple of years. TfL will lose the ability to pull in funding for things like hydrogen and electric bus trials. Paris has just announced a massive programme to convert its entire bus fleet to electric or gas power by 2025. That's off the back of EU ZEUS funding and trials. Meanwhile the UK will forego any such help. Even if we develop all electric vehicles in this country for sale into Europe they will be more expensive because they will (most likely) be subject to tariffs because our politicians have no clue what they are going to do and we have no experienced trade negotiators. The EU has hundreds as do China, the USA and India. The other major issue is whether groups like RATP, Abellio, Keolis and DB / Arriva see any future in the UK bus and rail markets. If they decide there is no great future then expect to see seismic changes in bus company ownership and rail franchises. Why would people remain in markets where the value of their investments and contracts has just slumped? If we have a recession, as is likely given the rumoured job losses in the City and elsewhere, then revenue for TfL and the TOCs will slump as they are extremely sensitive to commuter flows. If people lose their jobs they don't travel. This will worsen the share prices and values of Stagecoach, First Group, Go Ahead and others. There is also no point in investing in more capacity if the demand has gone and the projected increases have gone / reversed. The other major issue is if the UK economy loses its AAA credit rating - that will have huge effects on interest rates, bond prices etc. It will make it extremely difficult to finance major schemes where money has to be sought on the markets. TfL are exposed to this and if revenues decline then TfL's ability to pay interest and loans back worsens meaning less money for everything else. There are massive, massive inter connections and complex relationships and it takes very little for things to go badly wrong very quickly. I imagine those people tasked with coming up with a new Business Plan and Budget for TfL were thrown into a tail spin last week because they will have to be much more prudent in how they provide for risks around funding and external finance. |
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Post by sid on Jun 27, 2016 17:15:36 GMT
Bringing it back under the bus industry....what about TUPE? It will go as will protections on drivers' hours. We have most likely locked ourselves into perpetual right wing government in this country and they have no desire to protect workers' rights. They also don't believe in bus based transport so we can expect to see bus companies continue to decline and see their share prices hammered. And as so many bus companies are dependent on "non white, non British" labour I expect we will soon see a crisis in driver and engineer recruitment meaning service cuts will be inevitable. The more a section of society villifies others the more the others have no reason to stay. Expect that to be writ large in the NHS in a couple of years. TfL will lose the ability to pull in funding for things like hydrogen and electric bus trials. Paris has just announced a massive programme to convert its entire bus fleet to electric or gas power by 2025. That's off the back of EU ZEUS funding and trials. Meanwhile the UK will forego any such help. Even if we develop all electric vehicles in this country for sale into Europe they will be more expensive because they will (most likely) be subject to tariffs because our politicians have no clue what they are going to do and we have no experienced trade negotiators. The EU has hundreds as do China, the USA and India. The other major issue is whether groups like RATP, Abellio, Keolis and DB / Arriva see any future in the UK bus and rail markets. If they decide there is no great future then expect to see seismic changes in bus company ownership and rail franchises. Why would people remain in markets where the value of their investments and contracts has just slumped? If we have a recession, as is likely given the rumoured job losses in the City and elsewhere, then revenue for TfL and the TOCs will slump as they are extremely sensitive to commuter flows. If people lose their jobs they don't travel. This will worsen the share prices and values of Stagecoach, First Group, Go Ahead and others. There is also no point in investing in more capacity if the demand has gone and the projected increases have gone / reversed. The other major issue is if the UK economy loses its AAA credit rating - that will have huge effects on interest rates, bond prices etc. It will make it extremely difficult to finance major schemes where money has to be sought on the markets. TfL are exposed to this and if revenues decline then TfL's ability to pay interest and loans back worsens meaning less money for everything else. There are massive, massive inter connections and complex relationships and it takes very little for things to go badly wrong very quickly. I imagine those people tasked with coming up with a new Business Plan and Budget for TfL were thrown into a tail spin last week because they will have to be much more prudent in how they provide for risks around funding and external finance. The EU offers no real protection on workers rights anyway, and without an endless supply of cheap labour from Eastern Europe terms and conditions will have to be improved. And most of the "EU funding" originates from the UK anyway, they just kindly deem to give us a bit back. |
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Post by vjaska on Jun 27, 2016 17:31:27 GMT
Bringing it back under the bus industry....what about TUPE? It will go as will protections on drivers' hours. We have most likely locked ourselves into perpetual right wing government in this country and they have no desire to protect workers' rights. They also don't believe in bus based transport so we can expect to see bus companies continue to decline and see their share prices hammered. And as so many bus companies are dependent on "non white, non British" labour I expect we will soon see a crisis in driver and engineer recruitment meaning service cuts will be inevitable. The more a section of society villifies others the more the others have no reason to stay. Expect that to be writ large in the NHS in a couple of years. TfL will lose the ability to pull in funding for things like hydrogen and electric bus trials. Paris has just announced a massive programme to convert its entire bus fleet to electric or gas power by 2025. That's off the back of EU ZEUS funding and trials. Meanwhile the UK will forego any such help. Even if we develop all electric vehicles in this country for sale into Europe they will be more expensive because they will (most likely) be subject to tariffs because our politicians have no clue what they are going to do and we have no experienced trade negotiators. The EU has hundreds as do China, the USA and India. The other major issue is whether groups like RATP, Abellio, Keolis and DB / Arriva see any future in the UK bus and rail markets. If they decide there is no great future then expect to see seismic changes in bus company ownership and rail franchises. Why would people remain in markets where the value of their investments and contracts has just slumped? If we have a recession, as is likely given the rumoured job losses in the City and elsewhere, then revenue for TfL and the TOCs will slump as they are extremely sensitive to commuter flows. If people lose their jobs they don't travel. This will worsen the share prices and values of Stagecoach, First Group, Go Ahead and others. There is also no point in investing in more capacity if the demand has gone and the projected increases have gone / reversed. The other major issue is if the UK economy loses its AAA credit rating - that will have huge effects on interest rates, bond prices etc. It will make it extremely difficult to finance major schemes where money has to be sought on the markets. TfL are exposed to this and if revenues decline then TfL's ability to pay interest and loans back worsens meaning less money for everything else. There are massive, massive inter connections and complex relationships and it takes very little for things to go badly wrong very quickly. I imagine those people tasked with coming up with a new Business Plan and Budget for TfL were thrown into a tail spin last week because they will have to be much more prudent in how they provide for risks around funding and external finance. Sorry to sound like a broken record but you, I and everyone can not predict what will happen further down the line. Lets just wait and see what actually happens. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 28, 2016 21:51:34 GMT
It will go as will protections on drivers' hours. We have most likely locked ourselves into perpetual right wing government in this country and they have no desire to protect workers' rights. They also don't believe in bus based transport so we can expect to see bus companies continue to decline and see their share prices hammered. And as so many bus companies are dependent on "non white, non British" labour I expect we will soon see a crisis in driver and engineer recruitment meaning service cuts will be inevitable. The more a section of society villifies others the more the others have no reason to stay. Expect that to be writ large in the NHS in a couple of years. TfL will lose the ability to pull in funding for things like hydrogen and electric bus trials. Paris has just announced a massive programme to convert its entire bus fleet to electric or gas power by 2025. That's off the back of EU ZEUS funding and trials. Meanwhile the UK will forego any such help. Even if we develop all electric vehicles in this country for sale into Europe they will be more expensive because they will (most likely) be subject to tariffs because our politicians have no clue what they are going to do and we have no experienced trade negotiators. The EU has hundreds as do China, the USA and India. The other major issue is whether groups like RATP, Abellio, Keolis and DB / Arriva see any future in the UK bus and rail markets. If they decide there is no great future then expect to see seismic changes in bus company ownership and rail franchises. Why would people remain in markets where the value of their investments and contracts has just slumped? If we have a recession, as is likely given the rumoured job losses in the City and elsewhere, then revenue for TfL and the TOCs will slump as they are extremely sensitive to commuter flows. If people lose their jobs they don't travel. This will worsen the share prices and values of Stagecoach, First Group, Go Ahead and others. There is also no point in investing in more capacity if the demand has gone and the projected increases have gone / reversed. The other major issue is if the UK economy loses its AAA credit rating - that will have huge effects on interest rates, bond prices etc. It will make it extremely difficult to finance major schemes where money has to be sought on the markets. TfL are exposed to this and if revenues decline then TfL's ability to pay interest and loans back worsens meaning less money for everything else. There are massive, massive inter connections and complex relationships and it takes very little for things to go badly wrong very quickly. I imagine those people tasked with coming up with a new Business Plan and Budget for TfL were thrown into a tail spin last week because they will have to be much more prudent in how they provide for risks around funding and external finance. Sorry to sound like a broken record but you, I and everyone can not predict what will happen further down the line. Lets just wait and see what actually happens. +1 The UK has been asked to start "divorce proceedings" but you could find that Theresa May or anyone but Boris who takes over they keys from Cameron might choose to reverse the dire calamity we face and stay in the EU. The fees we would pay to trade are the same as the ones paid now, but will be minus the rebate. So leaving won't make us any richer. If Article 50 is triggered, it's a two year period of working your notice. To be honest we're still at the disciplinary hearing stage, have been suspended while management decide what to do with us  Other countries are considering their place in the EU, and Germany and France are spooked by this. UK does pay in a lot to prop up poorer member states, lets see if Germany want to use up their pocket money, whilst still hoping we buy their cars (Even Vauxhall Opel is originally from the Continent). I think now the dust has settled I think it's business as usual with bus operators, and all will see how things go in the next 2 months... I think Sadiq is more level headed than Boris Johnson is, he wants to keep London as a strong financial centre, and you cant do that without the great bus network we have at the moment. I was considering moving to Stevenage until I saw the one bus every 20 or 30 minute model that exists outside the Capital. I'm not that keen to go on an SB200 and pay thru the nose for it! I am planning to leave West London though. I can't see loads of European bus companies suddenly abandoning the UK, no matter what happens. We just have to wait and see |
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Post by sid on Jun 29, 2016 12:44:54 GMT
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 30, 2016 18:18:53 GMT
Thank goodness Boris did the right thing and left the contest race for PM, a massive sigh of relief.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 30, 2016 18:22:44 GMT
Thank goodness Boris did the right thing and left the contest race for PM, a massive sigh of relief. Yeah, but Michael Gove lied about wanting to be PM and announced his candidacy  It much rather Johnson be PM than Gove -_- |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 30, 2016 19:33:45 GMT
Thank goodness Boris did the right thing and left the contest race for PM, a massive sigh of relief. He should be locked up in the Tower for London for the rest of his life given the monumental chaos he has caused in the last week and now he swans off. [ loads of swear words ]  |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 30, 2016 20:29:04 GMT
Thank goodness Boris did the right thing and left the contest race for PM, a massive sigh of relief. Yeah, but Michael Gove lied about wanting to be PM and announced his candidacy It much rather Johnson be PM than Gove -_- Should he become PM I await the news that children need to stay in school for 12 hours a day and attend school on Saturdays as well   However I do think that now Johnson is out of the race May stands the best chance. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jun 30, 2016 20:44:48 GMT
Thank goodness Boris did the right thing and left the contest race for PM, a massive sigh of relief. He should be locked up in the Tower for London for the rest of his life given the monumental chaos he has caused in the last week and now he swans off. [ loads of swear words ] Thats exactly what I thought! I think the fact that Boris caused all this chaos and doesn't stand for Prime Minister *could* trigger a second EU referendum (although it is unlikely to happen) |
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Post by snoggle on Jun 30, 2016 21:18:00 GMT
He should be locked up in the Tower for London for the rest of his life given the monumental chaos he has caused in the last week and now he swans off. [ loads of swear words ] Thats exactly what I thought! I think the fact that Boris caused all this chaos and doesn't stand for Prime Minister *could* trigger a second EU referendum (although it is unlikely to happen) There will be no second referendum. We are stuck with the result and all the consequences. Any attempt to have one will pitch half the country against the other half and we'll be on the road to a civil war (and no I am not exaggerating). Emotions are so raw that anything could happen if someone does or says the wrong thing. *All* the politicians at Westminster need locking up - they've created this ridiculous mess and none of them have an answer. They are all [1] governed by their own self interest and desire for survival over and above any thoughts about the country and its citizens. A nice dose of Tudor rule with beheadings and other niceties for those out of step might bring them to their senses but I wouldn't count on it. [1] every single party is out for itself. It's disgusting. Where the hell is the sense of statesman like behaviour that we would have got from the older generation of MPs who'd actually fought in WW2? They knew the issues and consequences and were not as venal as the current lot. |
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would never work.
It much rather Johnson be PM than Gove -_-
