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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 20, 2017 20:29:44 GMT
LOTS Reporting latest target date is September I wonder if anyone will take down the 425 tiles already put up  Someone has managed to go around sticking white stickers over them. It does look a bit awkward now as some bus stops along the line of route have a seemingly black tile right in the middle. |
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Post by redbus on May 20, 2017 22:27:08 GMT
I wonder if anyone will take down the 425 tiles already put up Someone has managed to go around sticking white stickers over them. It does look a bit awkward now as some bus stops along the line of route have a seemingly black tile right in the middle. The left hand really doesn't seem to be speaking to the right hand in a timely manner. To be putting up tiles in May without a confirmed date, and then placing white stickers over them really doesn't look good. |
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2017 23:31:45 GMT
Someone has managed to go around sticking white stickers over them. It does look a bit awkward now as some bus stops along the line of route have a seemingly black tile right in the middle. The left hand really doesn't seem to be speaking to the right hand in a timely manner. To be putting up tiles in May without a confirmed date, and then placing white stickers over them really doesn't look good. I suspect it was all on schedule for May and then get kyboshed by the election purdah. Even though the 25 is being rejigged with more buses into Zone 1 it would be far too easy for someone to get the wrong end of the stick and portray this as a "disaster" with attendant ill informed publicity [1]. I agree covered over stop plates aren't wonderful but probably far better to kick this sort of change down the road a bit and avoid unnecessary fall out for the Mayor and TfL. The changes to the 25 / 425 are relatively uncontroversial so having this as a later change could be presented as some sort of palliative to all the really dreadful changes coming up before September. Alternatively maybe something has gone "wrong" in Tower Transit land meaning the switch has had to be delayed. In short - "wibble"   [1] for example - "Mayor contradicts his own policy as TfL put *more* buses into Oxford Street"  |
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Post by redbus on May 21, 2017 10:43:52 GMT
The left hand really doesn't seem to be speaking to the right hand in a timely manner. To be putting up tiles in May without a confirmed date, and then placing white stickers over them really doesn't look good. I suspect it was all on schedule for May and then get kyboshed by the election purdah. Even though the 25 is being rejigged with more buses into Zone 1 it would be far too easy for someone to get the wrong end of the stick and portray this as a "disaster" with attendant ill informed publicity [1]. I agree covered over stop plates aren't wonderful but probably far better to kick this sort of change down the road a bit and avoid unnecessary fall out for the Mayor and TfL. The changes to the 25 / 425 are relatively uncontroversial so having this as a later change could be presented as some sort of palliative to all the really dreadful changes coming up before September. Alternatively maybe something has gone "wrong" in Tower Transit land meaning the switch has had to be delayed. In short - "wibble" [1] for example - "Mayor contradicts his own policy as TfL put *more* buses into Oxford Street" I appreciate these things can happen, but if the change is going to be delayed by 3+ months, then take down the tiles and then put them up again on the right date instead of covering them up which really doesn't look good. |
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Post by snoggle on May 21, 2017 11:54:42 GMT
I appreciate these things can happen, but if the change is going to be delayed by 3+ months, then take down the tiles and then put them up again on the right date instead of covering them up which really doesn't look good. I honestly don't think it matters for a few months. I doubt the general public will notice and will care even less. They've covered the number over which is the important thing in the short term. I get more annoyed at TfL removing route numbers days or even a week before changes happen. I appreciate the logistics can become involved by doing route changes at the last minute but having loads of stops in Hayes with the "wrong" numbers for several days as a result of the U5 / 350 swap really is horrible and confusing. I got equally livid when they removed all trace (except a stop near the High St on Hoe St) of the W11 running via the Bell days before the change actually took effect.  And we also have the somewhat stupid example of TfL not having 167 timetables up in Ilford town centre because they *still* have the service change panel up for a change that happened 2 months ago. Given the 167 is a branded route you'd imagine they might want to put up the timetable with its colour branding but, no, it's all too difficult seemingly.  |
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2017 12:11:22 GMT
I appreciate these things can happen, but if the change is going to be delayed by 3+ months, then take down the tiles and then put them up again on the right date instead of covering them up which really doesn't look good. I understand where your coming from but at least this time, the tiles will all be implemented for September leaving just the removal of the cover unlike many occasions where not all the tiles had been implemented in time for an extension. |
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Post by Hassaan on May 21, 2017 12:13:17 GMT
I appreciate these things can happen, but if the change is going to be delayed by 3+ months, then take down the tiles and then put them up again on the right date instead of covering them up which really doesn't look good. I honestly don't think it matters for a few months. I doubt the general public will notice and will care even less. They've covered the number over which is the important thing in the short term. I get more annoyed at TfL removing route numbers days or even a week before changes happen. I appreciate the logistics can become involved by doing route changes at the last minute but having loads of stops in Hayes with the "wrong" numbers for several days as a result of the U5 / 350 swap really is horrible and confusing. I got equally livid when they removed all trace (except a stop near the High St on Hoe St) of the W11 running via the Bell days before the change actually took effect. And we also have the somewhat stupid example of TfL not having 167 timetables up in Ilford town centre because they *still* have the service change panel up for a change that happened 2 months ago. Given the 167 is a branded route you'd imagine they might want to put up the timetable with its colour branding but, no, it's all too difficult seemingly. On the 157, the Arriva takeover saw the last bus from Morden moved from 0120 to 0130. However, the new timetables still appeared many days before . Hope no one was left stranded |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 11, 2017 21:37:22 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but the 25 and 425 changes are expected to take place in Spring 2018.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 11, 2017 21:45:56 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but the 25 and 425 changes are expected to take place in Spring 2018. I wonder if this is a way of trying to soften the blow of the 25s cut to Holborn. When consulting the 25 cut it was packaged in with a large range of changes so that it was effectively overshadowed. They seemingly have managed to get away with that change without causing an uproar, the next likely time an opposition movement will start is when the change actually happens, should the 425 be extended on the same day the pubic are more likely to be distracted by that and probably won't be complaining as much over the 25 change should it have happened alone. |
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Post by routew15 on Oct 11, 2017 22:19:52 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but the 25 and 425 changes are expected to take place in Spring 2018. I wonder if this is a way of trying to soften the blow of the 25s cut to Holborn. When consulting the 25 cut it was packaged in with a large range of changes so that it was effectively overshadowed. They seemingly have managed to get away with that change without causing an uproar, the next likely time an opposition movement will start is when the change actually happens, should the 425 be extended on the same day the pubic are more likely to be distracted by that and probably won't be complaining as much over the 25 change should it have happened alone. It does seem strategically sensible to have all the changes come together in one package on the same day. Why Spring 2018 has been chosen for 25 and 425 (and possibly the Holborn Circus curtailment) is not obvious to me. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 11, 2017 23:29:25 GMT
I wonder if this is a way of trying to soften the blow of the 25s cut to Holborn. When consulting the 25 cut it was packaged in with a large range of changes so that it was effectively overshadowed. They seemingly have managed to get away with that change without causing an uproar, the next likely time an opposition movement will start is when the change actually happens, should the 425 be extended on the same day the pubic are more likely to be distracted by that and probably won't be complaining as much over the 25 change should it have happened alone. It does seem strategically sensible to have all the changes come together in one package on the same day. Why Spring 2018 has been chosen for 25 and 425 (and possibly the Holborn Circus curtailment) is not obvious to me. I guess it depends when in Spring but I'd not be terribly shocked if it happened in May. The TfL hype machine will be stepping up to Overdrive about Crossrail / Lizzie Line and the introduction of services from Paddington to Heathrow. I also suspect the western part of Oxford St will be closed for the first phase of pedestrianisation. I also expect Camden Council will have started work on the TCR gyratory removal. While the Crossrail thing is, on the face of it, irrelevant to the 25 it gives "cover" as part of a larger picture about "preparing for the arrival of the Lizzie Line". TfL have already said there will be a progressive build up of comms / marketing to raise awareness of Crossrail and to get as many people on it as possible once it launches. The other highway changes are important as they will affect the 25 directly (loss of access to Oxford Circus stand / congestion in and around New Oxford St and TCR). There may also be other bus network changes that we don't have visibility of yet that may affect TfL / Operators' ability to handle large scale changes. The other issue is they need to get through the consultation process even if we all know the result. |
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Post by snowman on Nov 28, 2018 13:54:53 GMT
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Post by frank on Mar 30, 2019 9:20:32 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 30, 2019 9:30:10 GMT
Probably absolutely naff all tbh.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 30, 2019 9:57:59 GMT
Can they seriously stop using the term ‘bus congestion’ - your a transport provider for goodness sake!
Although it won’t matter, TfL could of easily got around this by splitting the route into two sections thus meaning people could get the second bus free and still improving reliability.
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