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Post by selondon on Oct 9, 2016 22:11:14 GMT
Not sure if it's been posted or asked
Does the 108 still get diverted over tower bridge on Sunday/Monday nights or when the tunnel is closed? Now tower bridge is closed I assume it will follow the diversion in place for other route?
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Post by snoggle on Oct 9, 2016 22:49:01 GMT
Not sure if it's been posted or asked Does the 108 still get diverted over tower bridge on Sunday/Monday nights or when the tunnel is closed? Now tower bridge is closed I assume it will follow the diversion in place for other route? Don't know the official position but I imagine, if it was diverted, that it would run via London Bridge. I believe it has been seen that far west in the past. I would hope, given the recent route swap, that TfL and Go Ahead would actually consider a different strategy - perhaps of splitting the route north and south with only a very limited connecting service if the closure happened daytime. Night time there is probably little or no traffic via the new bit in Poplar and I can't see Stratford City being popular with any regular night users so perhaps a long diversion via London Bridge at night wouldn't be too much of a crisis. I'm just waiting to see the complaints in Mayor's Questions demanding the reversal of the recent changes.  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 10, 2016 10:08:04 GMT
Wuth the night tube now could they amend it so the tunnel closes Saturday night/Sunday morning so the 108 can run Statford to Canning Town and N Greenwich to Lewisham and passengers use the Jubilee line to connect both or take the tube from Stratford to North Greenwich to save a long diversion.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 10, 2016 11:34:48 GMT
Wuth the night tube now could they amend it so the tunnel closes Saturday night/Sunday morning so the 108 can run Statford to Canning Town and N Greenwich to Lewisham and passengers use the Jubilee line to connect both or take the tube from Stratford to North Greenwich to save a long diversion. Yes but I think that is very doubtful indeed. Monday and Tuesday nights are picked for a reason - less traffic, less demand on the road network and on public transport. Mucking up the weekends when people may be travelling away for the weekend or driving to get to events etc plus there is more night time leisure demand for travel would be immensely unpopular. Obviously some work can only be done at weekends but the planners have to avoid, if they can, taking out too many links or else the roads and public transport cease to function completely. It takes very little for that to happen these days - one main closure and then a couple of traffic accidents. Suddenly - GRIDLOCK over many square miles. |
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Post by danorak on Oct 10, 2016 11:46:00 GMT
Not sure if it's been posted or asked Does the 108 still get diverted over tower bridge on Sunday/Monday nights or when the tunnel is closed? Now tower bridge is closed I assume it will follow the diversion in place for other route? Don't know the official position but I imagine, if it was diverted, that it would run via London Bridge. I believe it has been seen that far west in the past. I remember many, many years ago coming home from the North Weald rally and my 108 being diverted via London Bridge. Bear in mind that at that time (late 80s?), we didn't have Sunday opening, there was no Jubilee Line or DLR south of the river, so it seemed great fun. Today I expect it would take forever and I'd be hopping mad! |
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Post by joefrombow on Oct 10, 2016 16:18:17 GMT
Wuth the night tube now could they amend it so the tunnel closes Saturday night/Sunday morning so the 108 can run Statford to Canning Town and N Greenwich to Lewisham and passengers use the Jubilee line to connect both or take the tube from Stratford to North Greenwich to save a long diversion. I remember a few years back I think but not 100% this happened during the Olympics or something in the evenings they had split journeys running to canning town from the north and I know they close the tunnel Sunday mornings southbound but I think the buses get escorted through the tunnel though not quite sure . We haven't come very far since the 'Lewisham link' Harris bus days this new routing only seems to work during evenings and nights during the day I've been seeing endless turns . |
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Post by selondon on Oct 10, 2016 16:41:09 GMT
Cheers for the answers.
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Oct 10, 2016 21:31:29 GMT
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Post by sid on Oct 10, 2016 21:31:29 GMT
And presumably the 108 is required to serve every stop on that diversion route?
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 11, 2016 21:55:50 GMT
Wuth the night tube now could they amend it so the tunnel closes Saturday night/Sunday morning so the 108 can run Statford to Canning Town and N Greenwich to Lewisham and passengers use the Jubilee line to connect both or take the tube from Stratford to North Greenwich to save a long diversion. I remember a few years back I think but not 100% this happened during the Olympics or something in the evenings they had split journeys running to canning town from the north and I know they close the tunnel Sunday mornings southbound but I think the buses get escorted through the tunnel though not quite sure . We haven't come very far since the 'Lewisham link' Harris bus days this new routing only seems to work during evenings and nights during the day I've been seeing endless turns .Hardly surprising. Don't know who thought a PVR of 17 would be enough for the amount of traffic the route now comes across. Needs to be 20. One thing that needs to be noted is how this 108 change the preparation was poor. Blinds still show Stratford (Even though the current fleet are soon to be replaced), additionally Poplar, All Saints & Bow Church are turns and not on blinds and really should not be used without correct blinds. Sorry I think the contract date change could have been deferred until 2017 with more preparation time and thought through a lot better. The R Network given 4 extra months and change in April, see no reason why the 108 couldn't have changed in January. In addition I came across an old timetable at the Lewisham Centre Stop. Bow Roundabout Traffic as well as Poplar Traffic. That box junction by All Saints takes forever to cross then having to Join the Blackwall Tunnel which also takes time. In addition getting down Campbell Road at peak times, the parking is terrible so takes longer to get down. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 12, 2016 13:49:39 GMT
Hardly surprising. Don't know who thought a PVR of 17 would be enough for the amount of traffic the route now comes across. Needs to be 20. One thing that needs to be noted is how this 108 change the preparation was poor. Blinds still show Stratford (Even though the current fleet are soon to be replaced), additionally Poplar, All Saints & Bow Church are turns and not on blinds and really should not be used without correct blinds. Sorry I think the contract date change could have been deferred until 2017 with more preparation time and thought through a lot better. The R Network given 4 extra months and change in April, see no reason why the 108 couldn't have changed in January. In addition I came across an old timetable at the Lewisham Centre Stop. Bow Roundabout Traffic as well as Poplar Traffic. That box junction by All Saints takes forever to cross then having to Join the Blackwall Tunnel which also takes time. In addition getting down Campbell Road at peak times, the parking is terrible so takes longer to get down. Yes the shoddy preparation / lack of implementing anything is quite a surprise. Another drop in TfL standards? Wonder if it is reflected in the tender price or in Go Ahead's profit margins? I am still at a loss as to why this change was necessary at all. The old set up worked well and was understood. If there was a genuine need to provide school time links (the only justification I can recall from the consultation) then just run a double deck on a school route. Otherwise don't bother. If there was some desparate need to link Lewisham with Stratford City just swap over the Stratford ends of the 108 / D8 if there is a compelling reason to do this or run the 108 on to Stratford City via the 241 / 308 (accepting it would miss the bus stn on s/b journeys although the Theatre Royal stop is not too far). |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 12, 2016 15:05:23 GMT
Hardly surprising. Don't know who thought a PVR of 17 would be enough for the amount of traffic the route now comes across. Needs to be 20. One thing that needs to be noted is how this 108 change the preparation was poor. Blinds still show Stratford (Even though the current fleet are soon to be replaced), additionally Poplar, All Saints & Bow Church are turns and not on blinds and really should not be used without correct blinds. Sorry I think the contract date change could have been deferred until 2017 with more preparation time and thought through a lot better. The R Network given 4 extra months and change in April, see no reason why the 108 couldn't have changed in January. In addition I came across an old timetable at the Lewisham Centre Stop. Bow Roundabout Traffic as well as Poplar Traffic. That box junction by All Saints takes forever to cross then having to Join the Blackwall Tunnel which also takes time. In addition getting down Campbell Road at peak times, the parking is terrible so takes longer to get down. Yes the shoddy preparation / lack of implementing anything is quite a surprise. Another drop in TfL standards? Wonder if it is reflected in the tender price or in Go Ahead's profit margins? I am still at a loss as to why this change was necessary at all. The old set up worked well and was understood. If there was a genuine need to provide school time links (the only justification I can recall from the consultation) then just run a double deck on a school route. Otherwise don't bother. If there was some desparate need to link Lewisham with Stratford City just swap over the Stratford ends of the 108 / D8 if there is a compelling reason to do this or run the 108 on to Stratford City via the 241 / 308 (accepting it would miss the bus stn on s/b journeys although the Theatre Royal stop is not too far). The only thing I have always been for is diverting the 108 to Stratford City instead of Stratford Town Centre to at least avoid Stratford High Street traffic. This change I can already tell will need plenty improvements and timetable enhancements. At the same time the D6 also needs to be double decked as well. |
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Post by ThinLizzy on Oct 12, 2016 15:06:19 GMT
Hardly surprising. Don't know who thought a PVR of 17 would be enough for the amount of traffic the route now comes across. Needs to be 20. One thing that needs to be noted is how this 108 change the preparation was poor. Blinds still show Stratford (Even though the current fleet are soon to be replaced), additionally Poplar, All Saints & Bow Church are turns and not on blinds and really should not be used without correct blinds. Sorry I think the contract date change could have been deferred until 2017 with more preparation time and thought through a lot better. The R Network given 4 extra months and change in April, see no reason why the 108 couldn't have changed in January. In addition I came across an old timetable at the Lewisham Centre Stop. Bow Roundabout Traffic as well as Poplar Traffic. That box junction by All Saints takes forever to cross then having to Join the Blackwall Tunnel which also takes time. In addition getting down Campbell Road at peak times, the parking is terrible so takes longer to get down. Yes the shoddy preparation / lack of implementing anything is quite a surprise. Another drop in TfL standards? Wonder if it is reflected in the tender price or in Go Ahead's profit margins? I am still at a loss as to why this change was necessary at all. The old set up worked well and was understood. If there was a genuine need to provide school time links (the only justification I can recall from the consultation) then just run a double deck on a school route. Otherwise don't bother. If there was some desparate need to link Lewisham with Stratford City just swap over the Stratford ends of the 108 / D8 if there is a compelling reason to do this or run the 108 on to Stratford City via the 241 / 308 (accepting it would miss the bus stn on s/b journeys although the Theatre Royal stop is not too far). I think it was TfL tinkering for the sake of it, I've yet to seen a good reason for these changes- if it ain't broke- break it springs to mind There's probably more people between Bow and Poplar that want to get on to the Isle of dogs for school/work than those who want to get to Lewisham. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 12, 2016 15:20:25 GMT
Yes the shoddy preparation / lack of implementing anything is quite a surprise. Another drop in TfL standards? Wonder if it is reflected in the tender price or in Go Ahead's profit margins? I am still at a loss as to why this change was necessary at all. The old set up worked well and was understood. If there was a genuine need to provide school time links (the only justification I can recall from the consultation) then just run a double deck on a school route. Otherwise don't bother. If there was some desparate need to link Lewisham with Stratford City just swap over the Stratford ends of the 108 / D8 if there is a compelling reason to do this or run the 108 on to Stratford City via the 241 / 308 (accepting it would miss the bus stn on s/b journeys although the Theatre Royal stop is not too far). The only thing I have always been for is diverting the 108 to Stratford City instead of Stratford Town Centre to at least avoid Stratford High Street traffic. This change I can already tell will need plenty improvements and timetable enhancements. At the same time the D6 also needs to be double decked as well. Even though the 108 did get stick in traffic along that road, It was far more useful to people terminating at Stratford Bus Station. I have seen many people complaining about the changes in stop layout, something which was utterly pointless and not needed. The only reason I think it was done was to allow the D8 to be Double Decked. However I don't see what was wrong with sending the D8 around the 308 way. |
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 12, 2016 15:42:21 GMT
The only thing I have always been for is diverting the 108 to Stratford City instead of Stratford Town Centre to at least avoid Stratford High Street traffic. This change I can already tell will need plenty improvements and timetable enhancements. At the same time the D6 also needs to be double decked as well. I have seen many people complaining about the changes in stop layout, something which was utterly pointless and not needed. The only reason I think it was done was to allow the D8 to be Double Decked. However I don't see what was wrong with sending the D8 around the 308 way. People complain about everything though anyways. It still serves Stratford though I am glad it avoids the Town Centre now. Overall, I don't think it was necessary to divert it via the old D8 route between Poplar & Bow Church. The 100 could have been extended to Stratford via Canary Wharf, Poplar then the old D8 to Stratford replacing it and transferred to SI. I also strongly believe those Bow Flyover Bus Stops are a waste of funding, so much time and money can be saved if all buses just go over that flyover and wasting fuel in traffic. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Oct 12, 2016 18:22:40 GMT
Even though the 108 did get stick in traffic along that road, It was far more useful to people terminating at Stratford Bus Station. I have seen many people complaining about the changes in stop layout, something which was utterly pointless and not needed. The only reason I think it was done was to allow the D8 to be Double Decked. However I don't see what was wrong with sending the D8 around the 308 way. People complain about everything though anyways. It still serves Stratford though I am glad it avoids the Town Centre now. Overall, I don't think it was necessary to divert it via the old D8 route between Poplar & Bow Church. The 100 could have been extended to Stratford via Canary Wharf, Poplar then the old D8 to Stratford replacing it and transferred to SI. I also strongly believe those Bow Flyover Bus Stops are a waste of funding, so much time and money can be saved if all buses just go over that flyover and wasting fuel in traffic. Ive been calling for the Bow flyover to be used for all routes for some time. However, in the last 3/4 years they have had several opportunities, and have declined, the latest being the D8/108 changes. I asked them in the consultation, but to no success. Honestly, its bizarre, considering the Cost-Benefit analysis, so many people would gain, TfL, bus passengers and even it would lead to fewer bus and cyclist interaction at the so called most dangerous roundabout. It does not matter the 'new' delays caused by the 108's new route, its still much quicker than that double-use of the Bow Roundabout. If it was not bad enough going through it once, but twice...wow. I guess the D8 suffers that now. Adding to poor preparation. The ibus did not have the destination. It kept announcing '108 to blank'. The website/countdown is not updated as well. |
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