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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 0:19:57 GMT
There is a running time deficiency on the Southbound 108's in the evening peaks, largely due to traffic ques from East India Dock road onto the Blackwall tunnel on slip. It would appear this had not been factored into the timings when the route was re-routed that way as its the first time any route has been scheduled to cover that section of road. This is hopefully being addressed with some re-timing, with a possible new schedule being introduced in late jand / early feb subject to the usual approvals. It may be the first time a bus has covered that section but it's still a ridiculous oversight... from memory that slip has always been 'chokka' |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 6, 2016 12:13:07 GMT
There is a running time deficiency on the Southbound 108's in the evening peaks, largely due to traffic ques from East India Dock road onto the Blackwall tunnel on slip. It would appear this had not been factored into the timings when the route was re-routed that way as its the first time any route has been scheduled to cover that section of road. This is hopefully being addressed with some re-timing, with a possible new schedule being introduced in late jand / early feb subject to the usual approvals. I just did an end-to-end last night and was really thinking critically of the route now. Despite Hell on Earth's pop-up shop in Lewisham, I've always been aware that the route is lengthy and passes and/or straddles traffic hotspots. But when my bus was leaving Lewisham late, coupled with a GAL driver willing to give it its all, I asked "where is this newly modified route going to make up for lost time?" The answer was nowhere. The A12 routing was a doule-edged sword with traffic negatives; but an open road (and a light spread of passengers) meant that the 108 had a section to make up for any delays south of the river. None of that is a possibility now with sending the buses down Crisp Street/Violet Road. My bus started at 19:17, 4 mins late & arrived at Stratford 20:17, 10 minutes late. Had it been on the A12 that time would be less, but I digress. Daily I see buses getting caught in East India Dock Road traffic; as well as the D8 trying & failing to merge into the tunnel deluge as well. The biggest bug bear for me about this foolish routes swap is the bus gate on the southbound approach. Now defunct because of the new routing, what is the point in investing that money when it can't be used anymore? It's not like TfL were ever gonna send another route through the tunnel! Keep calm enviroPB, and remember that TfL "reinvest all their income....to improve your services"  |
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 8, 2016 2:19:06 GMT
There is a running time deficiency on the Southbound 108's in the evening peaks, largely due to traffic ques from East India Dock road onto the Blackwall tunnel on slip. It would appear this had not been factored into the timings when the route was re-routed that way as its the first time any route has been scheduled to cover that section of road. This is hopefully being addressed with some re-timing, with a possible new schedule being introduced in late jand / early feb subject to the usual approvals. I just did an end-to-end last night and was really thinking critically of the route now. Despite Hell on Earth's pop-up shop in Lewisham, I've always been aware that the route is lengthy and passes and/or straddles traffic hotspots. But when my bus was leaving Lewisham late, coupled with a GAL driver willing to give it its all, I asked "where is this newly modified route going to make up for lost time?" The answer was nowhere. The A12 routing was a doule-edged sword with traffic negatives; but an open road (and a light spread of passengers) meant that the 108 had a section to make up for any delays south of the river. None of that is a possibility now with sending the buses down Crisp Street/Violet Road. My bus started at 19:17, 4 mins late & arrived at Stratford 20:17, 10 minutes late. Had it been on the A12 that time would be less, but I digress. Daily I see buses getting caught in East India Dock Road traffic; as well as the D8 trying & failing to merge into the tunnel deluge as well. The biggest bug bear for me about this foolish routes swap is the bus gate on the southbound approach. Now defunct because of the new routing, what is the point in investing that money when it can't be used anymore? It's not like TfL were ever gonna send another route through the tunnel! Keep calm enviroPB, and remember that TfL "reinvest all their income....to improve your services" Just a little bit of a oversight not that they were warned or anything in the consultations 😂 it's laughable I regularly now see D8's carrying fresh air along the A12 and regular bunching of the 108s and short turns to Bow Church as for the bus gate one solution that would believe it or not probably be quicker during peaks would be for southbound buses to run east towards Canning town then chuck a left into Aberfeldy and come on to the A12 Blackwall tunnel approach that way right by the Bus gate or just revert the sections between Poplar and Bow back to how they was and have a N108 running during late evenings and nights to provide a night link via Devons Road and a couple of school journeys on the D8 to run via Bow School on school days . |
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Post by eggmiester on Dec 9, 2016 1:50:53 GMT
Apparently London streets are also looking into light phasing adjustments in the peak times to help overcome the delays being faced by the 108's around Chrisp street and on the East India Dock Rd / Tunnel Slip Rd.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 9, 2016 11:37:15 GMT
Apparently London streets are also looking into light phasing adjustments in the peak times to help overcome the delays being faced by the 108's around Chrisp street and on the East India Dock Rd / Tunnel Slip Rd. Interesting but it's hardly fixing the root cause is it? Why don't TfL just admit defeat and restore the old routes given the failure of the D8's new routeing and the parlous delays to the 108. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 9, 2016 13:02:06 GMT
Apparently London streets are also looking into light phasing adjustments in the peak times to help overcome the delays being faced by the 108's around Chrisp street and on the East India Dock Rd / Tunnel Slip Rd. Interesting but it's hardly fixing the root cause is it? Why don't TfL just admit defeat and restore the old routes given the failure of the D8's new routeing and the parlous delays to the 108. Because TfL have bigger plans for the D8. Speaking to a regular D8 driver a month ago, he said there are rumours of the route being extended up to Leyton; "which is why they got double deckers but the route doesn't need it." He said no more than 15 people board his bus each evening, and that TfL have ruined his life with the routes swap. If TfL won't listen to us, listen to that D8 driver cause he was pretty worked up about the changes!!   |
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Post by routew15 on Dec 9, 2016 13:28:55 GMT
Interesting but it's hardly fixing the root cause is it? Why don't TfL just admit defeat and restore the old routes given the failure of the D8's new routeing and the parlous delays to the 108. Because TfL have bigger plans for the D8. Speaking to a regular D8 driver a month ago, he said there are rumours of the route being extended up to Leyton; "which is why they got double deckers but the route doesn't need it." He said no more than 15 people board his bus each evening, and that TfL have ruined his life with the routes swap. If TfL won't listen to us, listen to that D8 driver cause he was pretty worked up about the changes!! Or maybe TfL does listen.. The consultation report for routes through the QEOP had respondents who asked for a D8 extension to Leyton ASDA (page 14). In my opinion An extension to Leyton Bakers Arms or Markhouse Corner sounds beneficial but unrealistic. An extension to Leyton Downsell road via Maryland could be handy to but a direct routing to Downsell road via the 158 seems pointless. |
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Post by snoggle on Dec 9, 2016 14:15:34 GMT
Because TfL have bigger plans for the D8. Speaking to a regular D8 driver a month ago, he said there are rumours of the route being extended up to Leyton; "which is why they got double deckers but the route doesn't need it." He said no more than 15 people board his bus each evening, and that TfL have ruined his life with the routes swap. If TfL won't listen to us, listen to that D8 driver cause he was pretty worked up about the changes!! Or maybe TfL does listen.. The consultation report for routes through the QEOP had respondents who asked for a D8 extension to Leyton ASDA (page 14). In my opinion An extension to Leyton Bakers Arms or Markhouse Corner sounds beneficial but unrealistic. An extension to Leyton Downsell road via Maryland could be handy to but a direct routing to Downsell road via the 158 seems pointless. The point about linking the Olympic Park with ASDA has been made umpteen times and it keeps being rejected by TfL - presumably because they feel people can lug their shopping to Leyton Stn and get a 97 from there. I struggle to see why the D8 would be extended now. Yes services out of Stratford towards Leyton are busy but the 158 has just had *another* frequency increase on weekdays so why extend another 5 bph per hour if you felt an extra 2 bph was perfectly OK? At some point TfL are going to have to grapple with serving Oliver Road and / or Orient Way because yet more housing developments are planned in that area soon and you can't get forcing people to trudge to Church Rd / High Rd to squeeze on to buses that are full. When the housing is finished then TfL may well have the justification, and even some S106 funds, to extend the D8 northwards but given the capped annual KMs limit in the Business Plan let's just say I'm sceptical. Under the old expansionist budget I could have seen it happen but not now. Another 5 years of cr*p is really an appalling policy position. |
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 9, 2016 15:24:19 GMT
Because TfL have bigger plans for the D8. Speaking to a regular D8 driver a month ago, he said there are rumours of the route being extended up to Leyton; "which is why they got double deckers but the route doesn't need it." He said no more than 15 people board his bus each evening, and that TfL have ruined his life with the routes swap. If TfL won't listen to us, listen to that D8 driver cause he was pretty worked up about the changes!! Or maybe TfL does listen.. The consultation report for routes through the QEOP had respondents who asked for a D8 extension to Leyton ASDA (page 14). In my opinion An extension to Leyton Bakers Arms or Markhouse Corner sounds beneficial but unrealistic. An extension to Leyton Downsell road via Maryland could be handy to but a direct routing to Downsell road via the 158 seems pointless. Are you telling me that TfL have changed their ways of ignoring thousands of people's opinions in consultations and are planning to extend the D8 because of 1 response?!?! I'm not going to dignify that with a response lool. I agree an extension via the 158 is really a pointless waste of resources. However sending the D8 via Maryland to Leyton would ease congestion south of Thached House in the peaks and indeed create day links to Bow; which I'm sure there is strong evidence for in Oyster data. I would like to see the route extended to Markhouse Corner to provide as many links as possible from Stratford & Leyton High Road. Maybe then, passenger flows can pick up on the rest of the D8 route. |
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Post by routew15 on Dec 9, 2016 17:38:00 GMT
Or maybe TfL does listen.. The consultation report for routes through the QEOP had respondents who asked for a D8 extension to Leyton ASDA (page 14). In my opinion An extension to Leyton Bakers Arms or Markhouse Corner sounds beneficial but unrealistic. An extension to Leyton Downsell road via Maryland could be handy to but a direct routing to Downsell road via the 158 seems pointless. Are you telling me that TfL have changed their ways of ignoring thousands of people's opinions in consultations and are planning to extend the D8 because of 1 response?!?! I'm not going to dignify that with a response lool. I agree an extension via the 158 is really a pointless waste of resources. However sending the D8 via Maryland to Leyton would ease congestion south of Thached House in the peaks and indeed create day links to Bow; which I'm sure there is strong evidence for in Oyster data. I would like to see the route extended to Markhouse Corner to provide as many links as possible from Stratford & Leyton High Road. Maybe then, passenger flows can pick up on the rest of the D8 route. Well we've had TfL ignore 70% of respondents in one consultation so to listen to the voice of one would not surprise me  Well something definately needs to be done about buses in the Leyton town centre area as demand is high Monday to Sunday but reliability of the routes serving the high road is very hit and miss, but this not helped by the orange terror that is Enjoy Waltham Forest schemes. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 23:47:06 GMT
I think it would be a great idea to extend the D8 to Leyton as it would create direct links between Leyton and Bow. It makes sense considering the 339 links Leytonstone with Bow.
To try to minimise the effect of delays I would route the D8 via Maryland, up to Harrow Green and follow the W14 to Leyton and then it can continue to Markhouse Corner or other parts of Leyton.
As for the 108 I love the MEC'S but the route is suffering from multiple delays on a daily basis. Although there is more demand south of the river I believe the route could be supported with another north of the river such as extending the 323 to North Greenwich/Stratford with a few tweaks.
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 18, 2017 14:23:19 GMT
routew15 I wanted to take you to the right thread to vent your ang-I mean discuss these changes Summarised: -the D8 carries only fresh air outside the peaks, with drivers only telling me they barely getting 12-15 passengers inside peaks -the 108's reliability is shot to shreds with the reroute via Crisp Street and a higher number of turns than before the route swap -regular passengers are completely alienated by their bus service and the 108/D8 changes comminucated to them very late & with no effect. The other thing I find tellling of this mess is the night tube quadrant maps got replaced late October, but it was backdated to August 19th; first night of the Night Tube. Weekend 24-hour routes were there but the 108 showed its unchanged routing via Bromley-by-Bow. In a delay of 2 months that simple change (yet major) couldn't be communicated? I sense the M.O. was to abort the 108/D8 changes but someone somewhere overthrew that decision, likely at the last possible moment. I wonder, if what drivers' rumours are true; that TfL only have an end-goal plan of sending the D8 to Leyton? So much carnage for such little gain.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 18, 2017 17:39:50 GMT
I think it would be a great idea to extend the D8 to Leyton as it would create direct links between Leyton and Bow. It makes sense considering the 339 links Leytonstone with Bow. To try to minimise the effect of delays I would route the D8 via Maryland, up to Harrow Green and follow the W14 to Leyton and then it can continue to Markhouse Corner or other parts of Leyton. I think when the proposed D8 extension goes ahead, it'll be via 69 LoR up to Leyton Downsell Road - the old 97 and current N205 stand. 69 and 257 suffer from bad overcrowding and you can't get on them past Stratford Bus Station. However, your idea does seem interesting, but I don't think the roads served by the W14 are seen to be in much demand. |
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Post by mondraker275 on Jan 18, 2017 18:47:25 GMT
I think it would be a great idea to extend the D8 to Leyton as it would create direct links between Leyton and Bow. It makes sense considering the 339 links Leytonstone with Bow. To try to minimise the effect of delays I would route the D8 via Maryland, up to Harrow Green and follow the W14 to Leyton and then it can continue to Markhouse Corner or other parts of Leyton. I think when the proposed D8 extension goes ahead, it'll be via 69 LoR up to Leyton Downsell Road - the old 97 and current N205 stand. 69 and 257 suffer from bad overcrowding and you can't get on them past Stratford Bus Station. However, your idea does seem interesting, but I don't think the roads served by the W14 are seen to be in much demand. I am guessing that TfL will be reluctant to do anything yet considering the major works planned for Stratford. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 18, 2017 18:58:46 GMT
The other thing I find tellling of this mess is the night tube quadrant maps got replaced late October, but it was backdated to August 19th; first night of the Night Tube. Weekend 24-hour routes were there but the 108 showed its unchanged routing via Bromley-by-Bow. In a delay of 2 months that simple change (yet major) couldn't be communicated? I sense the M.O. was to abort the 108/D8 changes but someone somewhere overthrew that decision, likely at the last possible moment. I wonder, if what drivers' rumours are true; that TfL only have an end-goal plan of sending the D8 to Leyton? So much carnage for such little gain. TfL could have simply opted not to run the D8 / 108 via Carpenters Road instead serving Warton Road. They could have run the D8 with double deckers and left the 108 alone. I know bus drivers love a rumour but why extend the D8 to Downsell Road? Yes the 69 and 257 are busy so add a couple a peak extras, short runs if necessary, to provide the requisite relief to overcrowding. I suspect local travel demands will change when Crossrail opens anyway as there will be more capacity at Maryland meaning people can walk to the station rather than use a bus. Have there been any local moans / newspaper articles about the 108? I'm astounded it hasn't reached MQTs yet. |
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