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Post by wirewiper on Sept 8, 2021 13:15:12 GMT
Last night Greenwich Council's planning committee approved - just - a development of 1,500 homes at Morden Wharf. It doesn't affect the bus garage, if that's still there by the time it's finished. One little nugget from the plans is that TfL is suggesting rerouting the 108 to serve Morden Wharf as part of a wider recasting of routes on the Greenwich Peninsula. There's £2.5m from the developer for the scheme to be served by a bus (it's actually quite cut off because of the tunnel entrance, despite being near to North Greenwich as the crow flies) Sticking a second dog-leg in the 108 seems mad to me when you could extend one of the Silvertown Tunnel routes to serve the development, but I expect a network development paper will emerge for the peninsula soon... 853.london/2021/09/08/greenwich-councillors-narrowly-back-1500-new-homes-at-36-storey-morden-wharf/The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. I don't know the detailed plans, but the road network on the Peninsula is going to have to be remodelled to provide the access to and from the Silvertown Tunnel. This gives an opportunity to link the housing at Morden Wharf into North Greenwich Station via a new walking and cycle route. If the bulk of traffic is rerouted into Sinvertown Tunnel, the current southbound Blackwall Tunnel could be converted to two-way and repurposed for local traffic. That would make the 108 the logical route to divert into Morden Wharf, via a remodelled local road network in the area. The existing northbound Blackwall Tunnel could be restored to its original condition as a traffic-free walking and cycle route. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 8, 2021 13:40:58 GMT
Last night Greenwich Council's planning committee approved - just - a development of 1,500 homes at Morden Wharf. It doesn't affect the bus garage, if that's still there by the time it's finished. One little nugget from the plans is that TfL is suggesting rerouting the 108 to serve Morden Wharf as part of a wider recasting of routes on the Greenwich Peninsula. There's £2.5m from the developer for the scheme to be served by a bus (it's actually quite cut off because of the tunnel entrance, despite being near to North Greenwich as the crow flies) Sticking a second dog-leg in the 108 seems mad to me when you could extend one of the Silvertown Tunnel routes to serve the development, but I expect a network development paper will emerge for the peninsula soon... 853.london/2021/09/08/greenwich-councillors-narrowly-back-1500-new-homes-at-36-storey-morden-wharf/The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. Should try Lambeth, just as incompetent, only last week they sent letters to people on my estate saying they were going to demolish part of it only to then back track to say they wrote to the wrong estate and nothing is planned at all. As for the development, would there be a case to extend either the 129 or 335 to Morden Wharf which not only links them to the bus station but also relieves pressure on said bus station even if only a little bit is actually relieved? |
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 8, 2021 13:58:03 GMT
Last night Greenwich Council's planning committee approved - just - a development of 1,500 homes at Morden Wharf. It doesn't affect the bus garage, if that's still there by the time it's finished. One little nugget from the plans is that TfL is suggesting rerouting the 108 to serve Morden Wharf as part of a wider recasting of routes on the Greenwich Peninsula. There's £2.5m from the developer for the scheme to be served by a bus (it's actually quite cut off because of the tunnel entrance, despite being near to North Greenwich as the crow flies) Sticking a second dog-leg in the 108 seems mad to me when you could extend one of the Silvertown Tunnel routes to serve the development, but I expect a network development paper will emerge for the peninsula soon... 853.london/2021/09/08/greenwich-councillors-narrowly-back-1500-new-homes-at-36-storey-morden-wharf/The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. I am starting to believe that only those that have either failed in life or have zero leadership skills are the key criteria for being elected as a local councillor. The more you read about various local councils, the more it reinforces this view. Just be grateful yours have not bankrupted the council yet! I think any planning application where there is no majority for approval should rejected ... none of the head of the planning committee decides. |
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Sept 8, 2021 14:18:19 GMT
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Post by busman on Sept 8, 2021 14:18:19 GMT
The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. I don't know the detailed plans, but the road network on the Peninsula is going to have to be remodelled to provide the access to and from the Silvertown Tunnel. This gives an opportunity to link the housing at Morden Wharf into North Greenwich Station via a new walking and cycle route. If the bulk of traffic is rerouted into Sinvertown Tunnel, the current southbound Blackwall Tunnel could be converted to two-way and repurposed for local traffic. That would make the 108 the logical route to divert into Morden Wharf, via a remodelled local road network in the area. The existing northbound Blackwall Tunnel could be restored to its original condition as a traffic-free walking and cycle route. The plan is to keep Blackwall tunnel open in both directions and introduce a toll on both tunnels. Access will be from Morden Wharf Road and Sea Witch Lane (new road). Both roads lead onto Tunnel Avenue (two way) with access to both tunnels via northbound Tunnel Avenue approach. I can’t see how southbound buses can access the development, without some serious remodelling. Not sure what the £2.5million is allocated for, but I would have thought that some clever way of getting southbound buses into Morden Wharf without disrupting traffic flows in either direction is way out of budget! |
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Post by busman on Sept 8, 2021 14:34:18 GMT
The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. Should try Lambeth, just as incompetent, only last week they sent letters to people on my estate saying they were going to demolish part of it only to then back track to say they wrote to the wrong estate and nothing is planned at all. As for the development, would there be a case to extend either the 129 or 335 to Morden Wharf which not only links them to the bus station but also relieves pressure on said bus station even if only a little bit is actually relieved? Either route could be extended beyond the bus station via Edmund Halley Way, Millennium Way and round into Tunnel Avenue at the top of Blackwall Tunnel. If there was provision to terminate a route within the development, that would work nicely. Particularly as those routes are strong contenders to be extended through the Silvertown tunnel. If I lived in one of those expensive flats next to a busy dual carriageway and heavy industry, I would prefer the 129, as that links me to Greenwich town centre, Greenwich Park and the DLR. Many more useful local amenities than anywhere the 335 goes to beyond East Greenwich (Angerstein) roundabout. That story from Lambeth council is terrible, by the way. I completely agree with what SILENCED said earlier. The role of councillor doesn’t usually attract the most competent people to do the job. It is a part time, low paid job for the most part. The truth is any of us are just as qualified to do the job as they are - yet their decisions have significant impact on our daily quality of life. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Sept 8, 2021 16:34:17 GMT
Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. You'll wish you never asked now - there's a tiny mention at section 8.5.1 of this report: tinyurl.com/9arfme2vThen in the video of the meeting... royalgreenwich.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/594860It's raised at 1 hour, 24 minutes and 30 seconds, when a planning officer is quizzed about it by one of the officers, also at 2 hours and 30 minutes for a couple of minutes, while the boss of the developer discusses it at 3hrs 8 mins and 50 seconds, and says there'll be toilets for drivers. (edited to add a third reference to video) |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Sept 8, 2021 16:49:14 GMT
The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. I am starting to believe that only those that have either failed in life or have zero leadership skills are the key criteria for being elected as a local councillor. The more you read about various local councils, the more it reinforces this view. Just be grateful yours have not bankrupted the council yet! I think any planning application where there is no majority for approval should rejected ... none of the head of the planning committee decides. Everyone thinks their own borough is the worst - and the system in general does promote mediocrity. (Ask Croydon.) But Greenwich has particular issues of insularity, a lack of curiosity among its councillors, an obsession with big projects, a really nasty culture in its ruling party and a general identity crisis where it doesn't know if it's inner London or outer London, because the borough's not really very cohesive. It's also got big problems retaining officers, so there's very little local knowledge in its transport department - and a general feeling at a political level that issues such as public realm are trivial, so there's just no leadership on transport/infrastructure/public realm or serious lobbying for better on an issue that's absolutely critical. They got found out badly with the Silvertown Tunnel but refuse to learn any lessons from or admit any culpability. |
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Post by danorak on Sept 8, 2021 17:20:56 GMT
I am starting to believe that only those that have either failed in life or have zero leadership skills are the key criteria for being elected as a local councillor. The more you read about various local councils, the more it reinforces this view. Just be grateful yours have not bankrupted the council yet! I think any planning application where there is no majority for approval should rejected ... none of the head of the planning committee decides. Everyone thinks their own borough is the worst - and the system in general does promote mediocrity. (Ask Croydon.) But Greenwich has particular issues of insularity, a lack of curiosity among its councillors, an obsession with big projects, a really nasty culture in its ruling party and a general identity crisis where it doesn't know if it's inner London or outer London, because the borough's not really very cohesive. It's also got big problems retaining officers, so there's very little local knowledge in its transport department - and a general feeling at a political level that issues such as public realm are trivial, so there's just no leadership on transport/infrastructure/public realm or serious lobbying for better on an issue that's absolutely critical. They got found out badly with the Silvertown Tunnel but refuse to learn any lessons from or admit any culpability. I'm getting way off the point about the 108 so I won't expand on this, but I think part of the problem is people vote in local elections on national issues. Scrutiny and knowledge of what local government does, and who does it, is laughably bad. |
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Sept 8, 2021 19:53:20 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 8, 2021 19:53:20 GMT
The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. Should try Lambeth, just as incompetent, only last week they sent letters to people on my estate saying they were going to demolish part of it only to then back track to say they wrote to the wrong estate and nothing is planned at all. As for the development, would there be a case to extend either the 129 or 335 to Morden Wharf which not only links them to the bus station but also relieves pressure on said bus station even if only a little bit is actually relieved? Probably meant to be sent to Cressingham Gardens on the 2/415/432 route. |
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Sept 8, 2021 21:52:59 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Sept 8, 2021 21:52:59 GMT
Should try Lambeth, just as incompetent, only last week they sent letters to people on my estate saying they were going to demolish part of it only to then back track to say they wrote to the wrong estate and nothing is planned at all. As for the development, would there be a case to extend either the 129 or 335 to Morden Wharf which not only links them to the bus station but also relieves pressure on said bus station even if only a little bit is actually relieved? Probably meant to be sent to Cressingham Gardens on the 2/415/432 route. Yes, that was one of the estates that was earmarked, Lambeth have had a big battle with them for years now |
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