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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jan 18, 2017 23:29:02 GMT
I suspect local travel demands will change when Crossrail opens anyway as there will be more capacity at Maryland meaning people can walk to the station rather than use a bus. Well it won't, due to one small nuisance, and I'll tell you what it is. You know that cheeky plan to make Stratford & the area zones 2/3? Well, Maryland Station wasn't included, despite being 750m from Stratford main line. Yes, seriously; it's still Zone 3. So if anything, it discouraged people from using Maryland, and the difference had been noticeable - even the most rammed peak morning trains saw like 5 passengers get in at Maryland. If anything, the station will close instead of grow at this pace  Lot of people accused TfL of deliberately doing this to get Maryland to shut down. And so yes, of course the locals were mad, because the omission of Maryland indeed is some complete nonsense and absurdity. |
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Post by snoggle on Jan 19, 2017 1:42:05 GMT
I suspect local travel demands will change when Crossrail opens anyway as there will be more capacity at Maryland meaning people can walk to the station rather than use a bus. Well it won't, due to one small nuisance, and I'll tell you what it is. You know that cheeky plan to make Stratford & the area zones 2/3? Well, Maryland Station wasn't included, despite being 750m from Stratford main line. Yes, seriously; it's still Zone 3. So if anything, it discouraged people from using Maryland, and the difference had been noticeable - even the most rammed peak morning trains saw like 5 passengers get in at Maryland. If anything, the station will close instead of grow at this pace Lot of people accused TfL of deliberately doing this to get Maryland to shut down. And so yes, of course the locals were mad, because the omission of Maryland indeed is some complete nonsense and absurdity. I'll be unpopular for saying this but none of the stations should have been rezoned. It was a fatuous move on the part of the last Mayor and had to be expanded hugely when the penny dropped that you couldn't just do three stations at Stratford. I understand your point about Maryland and was aware of the zone issue when I posted. I'm not going to change my mind though because at some point it will dawn on people that using Stratford is intolerable and time consuming. Throw in the upcoming roadworks for 18 months and all the delays and people will be trading time for using Maryland instead. Rezoning stations just creates more and more campaigns for stations to be moved into cheaper zones because people are greedy. It also skews transport demand in inefficient and stupid ways as evidenced by your observations (not saying you are stupid before you try to land your Tardis on my head!). The latest Mayor's Questions has more questions on this theme so expect yet more campaigns. TfL might as well scrap zones and just have individual prices for every station in London. I reckon Travelcard is on TfL's execution list because being able to "play tunes" with individually pricing stations and having clever caps (daily, weekly, whatever period they want) is no doubt being designed into the next iteration of the "black box" for Oyster Mark 2. A clever way to get more revenue from people without them being able to really check what is going on. |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 19, 2017 9:26:26 GMT
routew15 I wanted to take you to the right thread to vent your ang-I mean discuss these changes  Summarised: -the D8 carries only fresh air outside the peaks, with drivers only telling me they barely getting 12-15 passengers inside peaks -the 108's reliability is shot to shreds with the reroute via Crisp Street and a higher number of turns than before the route swap -regular passengers are completely alienated by their bus service and the 108/D8 changes comminucated to them very late & with no effect. The other thing I find tellling of this mess is the night tube quadrant maps got replaced late October, but it was backdated to August 19th; first night of the Night Tube. Weekend 24-hour routes were there but the 108 showed its unchanged routing via Bromley-by-Bow. In a delay of 2 months that simple change (yet major) couldn't be communicated? I sense the M.O. was to abort the 108/D8 changes but someone somewhere overthrew that decision, likely at the last possible moment. I wonder, if what drivers' rumours are true; that TfL only have an end-goal plan of sending the D8 to Leyton? So much carnage for such little gain. enviropb, You have lured me in to the trap that is the 108 thread and you're igniting the flame of my looming rant. I don't think the 108/D8 swap was going to be shelved I just think it is an extremely rushed idea that tackles problems that are non-existent. The entire D8 route as it used to be was best suited to its routing the D8 can get busy but there was room for capacity enhancements. However TfL plans to remove all SDs for the Isle of Dogs muddied the waters and had caused the swap to occur as Carpenters Road NEEDS a bus service (although this is the same road that had no bus service 7 odd years and managed just ok!) I believe there will be a slight increase in demand from potential developments adjacent to the A12 Blackwall Tunnel Northern Approach, but the 108 seemed well placed to cope with this (and would of been better placed to cope with this using its present vehicle allocation of MECs). I also don't think diverting the 108 through the Three Mills development would of been a problem in terms of passenger traffic. Although maybe it not growth in passenger traffic but growth in vehicle traffic once the Silvertown Tunnel is constructed but that is still quite a few years away. Is what the greens and lib dem say true the Silvertown will attract way more cars to the surrounding roads? I personally cannot see the point in the 108 mirroring a significant majority of the DLR there is no generation of passenger traffic, at present it shares five out of nine common stations with Stratford - Canary Wharf route (Pudding Mill Lane is not far off making it 6). At least if there is a DLR strike we can count on the 108. I think a D8 extension to Leyton would not be beneficial most crush on to the Central Line to Leyton Station a lot of long distance travellers start their journeys from Stratford. In terms of communication of consultations and changes (this is not a critique) it would of been nice to have seen the consultation advertised for availability in other languages. Tower Hamlets has a large population of non-English reading comprehension so how are they meant to begin engaging in the topic of the local bus route being diverted? Most communications from the borough are available in a multitude of languages. I would like to see these changes reversed. An acceptable change would be the D8 return to Campbell Road et al. and 108 return to the Blackwall T N Approach. Something that may help with the current set-up would be to lobby LBTH for bus gates on Campbell Road at the junction Devons Road or Arnold Road, so there is less through traffic to Bow Road. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Jan 22, 2017 13:42:43 GMT
I believe there will be a slight increase in demand from potential developments adjacent to the A12 Blackwall Tunnel Northern Approach, but the 108 seemed well placed to cope with this (and would of been better placed to cope with this using its present vehicle allocation of MECs). I also don't think diverting the 108 through the Three Mills development would of been a problem in terms of passenger traffic. Although maybe it not growth in passenger traffic but growth in vehicle traffic once the Silvertown Tunnel is constructed but that is still quite a few years away. Is what the greens and lib dem say true the Silvertown will attract way more cars to the surrounding roads? The Silvertown Tunnel comes out at Tidal Basin Roundabout and is intented to carry the flow of traffic to Canary Wharf and the City, so would *in theory* - at least in the short term - relieve some of the pressure on the East India Dock Road junction; athough that'll clearly have a bigger impact on Aspen Way (sorry D3 users). But when Blackwall northbound is blocked, the EIDR junction would end up taking a load of the diverted traffic, taking you back to square one. Swings and roundabouts - or in this case, lots of traffic lights. But yes - and without wishing to turn this into a thread about the tunnel's merits/demerits as there's another thread for that - the main argument against the tunnel is that increased capacity will result in an increase in traffic, all that extra traffic has to go somewhere, packing the local roads. For its part, TfL says user charging will keep traffic numbers down; but the neighbouring boroughs as well as tunnel opponents are sceptical of TfL's traffic modelling (and in any case, user charging could send traffic elsewhere, packing those local roads. The boroughs are also trying to have their cake and eat it by pushing back strongly against their residents being charged, even though this would obviously affect the traffic numbers. If approved, Silvertown Tunnel construction would badly affect the 108 northbound by not allowing it to use Tunnel Avenue, so buses will have to sit in the queue on the A102 instead of going past the worst of it. There are also new proposals to divert some local traffic through the side of the North Greenwich tube station car pack so it uses part of the access route to North Greenwich bus station, which doesn't seem like good news for bus users. |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 23, 2017 13:40:07 GMT
The Silvertown Tunnel comes out at Tidal Basin Roundabout and is intented to carry the flow of traffic to Canary Wharf and the City, so would *in theory* - at least in the short term - relieve some of the pressure on the East India Dock Road junction; athough that'll clearly have a bigger impact on Aspen Way (sorry D3 users). But when Blackwall northbound is blocked, the EIDR junction would end up taking a load of the diverted traffic, taking you back to square one. Swings and roundabouts - or in this case, lots of traffic lights. But yes - and without wishing to turn this into a thread about the tunnel's merits/demerits as there's another thread for that - the main argument against the tunnel is that increased capacity will result in an increase in traffic, all that extra traffic has to go somewhere, packing the local roads. For its part, TfL says user charging will keep traffic numbers down; but the neighbouring boroughs as well as tunnel opponents are sceptical of TfL's traffic modelling (and in any case, user charging could send traffic elsewhere, packing those local roads. The boroughs are also trying to have their cake and eat it by pushing back strongly against their residents being charged, even though this would obviously affect the traffic numbers. If approved, Silvertown Tunnel construction would badly affect the 108 northbound by not allowing it to use Tunnel Avenue, so buses will have to sit in the queue on the A102 instead of going past the worst of it. There are also new proposals to divert some local traffic through the side of the North Greenwich tube station car pack so it uses part of the access route to North Greenwich bus station, which doesn't seem like good news for bus users. Fortunately for the D3 it may well be using Blackwall Way at some point in the furure thus avoiding Aspen Way. The charge may not put off many road users as the Blackwall Tunnel is still a major artery through south London. One road that needs to be watched careful particularly as it is primarily a residential road is Rathbone Street/Hallsville Road as these road lead off of the A13 and are short distance to the Silvertown Tunnel |
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 23, 2017 21:32:00 GMT
I believe there will be a slight increase in demand from potential developments adjacent to the A12 Blackwall Tunnel Northern Approach, but the 108 seemed well placed to cope with this (and would of been better placed to cope with this using its present vehicle allocation of MECs). I also don't think diverting the 108 through the Three Mills development would of been a problem in terms of passenger traffic. Although maybe it not growth in passenger traffic but growth in vehicle traffic once the Silvertown Tunnel is constructed but that is still quite a few years away. Is what the greens and lib dem say true the Silvertown will attract way more cars to the surrounding roads? The Silvertown Tunnel comes out at Tidal Basin Roundabout and is intented to carry the flow of traffic to Canary Wharf and the City, so would *in theory* - at least in the short term - relieve some of the pressure on the East India Dock Road junction; athough that'll clearly have a bigger impact on Aspen Way (sorry D3 users). But when Blackwall northbound is blocked, the EIDR junction would end up taking a load of the diverted traffic, taking you back to square one. Swings and roundabouts - or in this case, lots of traffic lights. But yes - and without wishing to turn this into a thread about the tunnel's merits/demerits as there's another thread for that - the main argument against the tunnel is that increased capacity will result in an increase in traffic, all that extra traffic has to go somewhere, packing the local roads. For its part, TfL says user charging will keep traffic numbers down; but the neighbouring boroughs as well as tunnel opponents are sceptical of TfL's traffic modelling (and in any case, user charging could send traffic elsewhere, packing those local roads. The boroughs are also trying to have their cake and eat it by pushing back strongly against their residents being charged, even though this would obviously affect the traffic numbers. If approved, Silvertown Tunnel construction would badly affect the 108 northbound by not allowing it to use Tunnel Avenue, so buses will have to sit in the queue on the A102 instead of going past the worst of it. There are also new proposals to divert some local traffic through the side of the North Greenwich tube station car pack so it uses part of the access route to North Greenwich bus station, which doesn't seem like good news for bus users. The Silvertown Tunnel will do nothing to ease congestion to the Blackwall Tunnell if it's going to be tolled. From construction until opening and beyond, burrowing a tunnell so close to an exisiting one does nothing for travel options & will be a hotbed for pollution in the area. In essence, TfL has to say yes to every crossing proposal* in the east of London to make a dent on upping the average speeds recorded in the surrounding areas; particularly the A2 and A12. Relating this to the 108, well this bus is used to seeing traffic. I may understand that TfL wanted to play with their options & send the 108 via Crisp Street/Violet Road/Campbell Road to see if the new routing escapes the worst of the traffic-and it doesn't. Simply more mileage means a higher probability of jams. The Tower Hamlets bus development papers cited 2 issues for TfL to address; a bus link on the A12 (Twelvetrees Crescent) to bring pupils from [Bow] school to the Isle of Dogs, and for the 108 to reach the Olympic Park. One can argue that the D8's route isn't nearly as residential in the Isle of Dogs as other D routes, so a school route could've been designed to go down Aspen Way and Manchester Road for example and then send the school bus to Crossharbour. Instead double-deck D8s are runnning around with barely a handful of passengers and the only time a Scania Omnicity is near capacity is only when there are huge gaps on the D8. I simply don't know why the 108 & D8 simply didn't just swap routing from Stratford High Street & a new school route borne and call it a day. But as we well know, TfL don't do logic.... *New crossings include the Silvertown Tunnell, Gallions Reach bridge (watered down to include a ferry option), revamp of the Woolwich ferry including piers and higher capacity fleet, and a DLR crossing to Thamemead. |
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Post by routew15 on Jan 23, 2017 23:07:50 GMT
The Silvertown Tunnel will do nothing to ease congestion to the Blackwall Tunnell if it's going to be tolled. From construction until opening and beyond, burrowing a tunnell so close to an exisiting one does nothing for travel options & will be a hotbed for pollution in the area. In essence, TfL has to say yes to every crossing proposal* in the east of London to make a dent on upping the average speeds recorded in the surrounding areas; particularly the A2 and A12. Relating this to the 108, well this bus is used to seeing traffic. I may understand that TfL wanted to play with their options & send the 108 via Crisp Street/Violet Road/Campbell Road to see if the new routing escapes the worst of the traffic-and it doesn't. Simply more mileage means a higher probability of jams. The Tower Hamlets bus development papers cited 2 issues for TfL to address; a bus link on the A12 (Twelvetrees Crescent) to bring pupils from [Bow] school to the Isle of Dogs, and for the 108 to reach the Olympic Park. One can argue that the D8's route isn't nearly as residential in the Isle of Dogs as other D routes, so a school route could've been designed to go down Aspen Way and Manchester Road for example and then send the school bus to Crossharbour. Instead double-deck D8s are runnning around with barely a handful of passengers and the only time a Scania Omnicity is near capacity is only when there are huge gaps on the D8. I simply don't know why the 108 & D8 simply didn't just swap routing from Stratford High Street & a new school route borne and call it a day. But as we well know, TfL don't do logic.... *New crossings include the Silvertown Tunnell, Gallions Reach bridge (watered down to include a ferry option), revamp of the Woolwich ferry including piers and higher capacity fleet, and a DLR crossing to Thamemead. Do not forget the Blackwall Tunnel will be tolled as well as the Silvertown tunnel leaving the Rotherhithe as the only road tunnel crossing east of Tower Bridge without a toll. I would assume there will be a brief surge in usage of the Rotherhithe tunnel and Woolwich ferry once the charge is implemented. The southern entrance location of the Silvertown tunnel is a sensible one as it directly abstracts traffic off of the A102. Tfl have to be aware that they will be allowing HGVs a faster way to travel northbound (and essentially southbound) so there is a lot of extra demand from this type traffic as well. It all good for Tfl to tick the box of providing more roads crossings the river but without borough support of improving surrounding roads to feed these crossings, then they will just be an additional head and ill thought out. Gallions Reach and Belverdere are good as they link into wide A roads (WesternWay / Bronze Age Way respectively) although Gallions Reach needs to take count of traffic between the A205 and A406. A woolwich tunnel is not so good on the south it links to the predominately single carriageway of the A205 and the market town of Woolwich. Back on topic. I think the swap of routes is more to do with the recent-ish frequency changes on the DLR and the fact that the D8 used to mirror a significant chunk of the DLR stations (between Stratford City and Crossharbour it was 9 out of 11). Lets not forget the improvements to the various other tube routes has been the reasoning some other bus alterations (Inner North West corridor review). If this is the case however my argument would be how There have been quite a few cuts to school routes of recent, a new route would of been best placed for TowerHamlets. The reaction from the transport authority to the Bow School increase of entry forms is ludicrous, it's as if they were expecting a tsunami of secondary school pupils to descend on Bromley-By-Bow. The other you missed out is 'removing single decker buses from the isle of dogs' - so when should we expect the decking of the D6?? I would prefer both routes to return to as previous. Whilst the 108 would be a nice link to Stratford International ( via Blackwall Tunnel N App), it seemed to work better via Stratford Town Centre. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Jan 24, 2017 14:03:32 GMT
It all good for Tfl to tick the box of providing more roads crossings the river but without borough support of improving surrounding roads to feed these crossings, then they will just be an additional head and ill thought out. Gallions Reach and Belverdere are good as they link into wide A roads (WesternWay / Bronze Age Way respectively) although Gallions Reach needs to take count of traffic between the A205 and A406. Gallions and Belvedere have been quietly shelved - they've been dropped from the TfL business plan. So a lot is being expected of the Silvertown Tunnel - and the roads leading in/out of it. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 24, 2017 16:54:12 GMT
Back on topic. I think the swap of routes is more to do with the recent-ish frequency changes on the DLR and the fact that the D8 used to mirror a significant chunk of the DLR stations (between Stratford City and Crossharbour it was 9 out of 11). Lets not forget the improvements to the various other tube routes has been the reasoning some other bus alterations (Inner North West corridor review). If this is the case however my argument would be how There have been quite a few cuts to school routes of recent, a new route would of been best placed for TowerHamlets. The reaction from the transport authority to the Bow School increase of entry forms is ludicrous, it's as if they were expecting a tsunami of secondary school pupils to descend on Bromley-By-Bow. The other you missed out is 'removing single decker buses from the isle of dogs' - so when should we expect the decking of the D6?? First used to deck the D6 for 1 or 2 summers post the arrival of the 2011 DNs; between 30-50% decked fleet on an almost daily basis meant I was visiting Hackney Central & Crossharbour more than I should've lool  Your point about the council interfering could be true as Tower Hamlets do not have any school routes running in its borough. But to the common man, a school bus would've been the simple answer. I don't get why TfL are trying to scare people from using the bus along Campbell Road and Violet Road. These people only seen as data to TfL; could be elderly, have injuries or are carers/parents who find it easier to hop on a bus for 5 minutes instead of take the DLR for 1 or 2 stops. In any case, as I've said TfL have completely alienated the bus passengers along the new 108 section, so Dr. Evil plan achieved I suppose.  |
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2017 18:31:40 GMT
Back on topic. I think the swap of routes is more to do with the recent-ish frequency changes on the DLR and the fact that the D8 used to mirror a significant chunk of the DLR stations (between Stratford City and Crossharbour it was 9 out of 11). Lets not forget the improvements to the various other tube routes has been the reasoning some other bus alterations (Inner North West corridor review). If this is the case however my argument would be how There have been quite a few cuts to school routes of recent, a new route would of been best placed for TowerHamlets. The reaction from the transport authority to the Bow School increase of entry forms is ludicrous, it's as if they were expecting a tsunami of secondary school pupils to descend on Bromley-By-Bow. The other you missed out is 'removing single decker buses from the isle of dogs' - so when should we expect the decking of the D6?? First used to deck the D6 for 1 or 2 summers post the arrival of the 2011 DNs; between 30-50% decked fleet on an almost daily basis meant I was visiting Hackney Central & Crossharbour more than I should've lool Your point about the council interfering could be true as Tower Hamlets do not have any school routes running in its borough. But to the common man, a school bus would've been the simple answer. I don't get why TfL are trying to scare people from using the bus along Campbell Road and Violet Road. These people only seen as data to TfL; could be elderly, have injuries or are carers/parents who find it easier to hop on a bus for 5 minutes instead of take the DLR for 1 or 2 stops. In any case, as I've said TfL have completely alienated the bus passengers along the new 108 section, so Dr. Evil plan achieved I suppose. I thought the D6 was only converted once to double decks after the DN's arrived - it's single deckers were needed elsewhere or something. |
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Post by enviroPB on Jan 25, 2017 2:26:29 GMT
First used to deck the D6 for 1 or 2 summers post the arrival of the 2011 DNs; between 30-50% decked fleet on an almost daily basis meant I was visiting Hackney Central & Crossharbour more than I should've lool Your point about the council interfering could be true as Tower Hamlets do not have any school routes running in its borough. But to the common man, a school bus would've been the simple answer. I don't get why TfL are trying to scare people from using the bus along Campbell Road and Violet Road. These people only seen as data to TfL; could be elderly, have injuries or are carers/parents who find it easier to hop on a bus for 5 minutes instead of take the DLR for 1 or 2 stops. In any case, as I've said TfL have completely alienated the bus passengers along the new 108 section, so Dr. Evil plan achieved I suppose. I thought the D6 was only converted once to double decks after the DN's arrived - it's single deckers were needed elsewhere or something. I can't be too sure to definitively tell you, wasn't in the madhouse at that time period. I was hoping for somebody else to jump in and comment; thanks guys!    |
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 23, 2021 13:10:08 GMT
Just a small bump!
I got caught in a bit of a service void at North Greenwich the other weekend. No buses were showing towards Lewisham so I went up to Bow Church to catch the bus coming back. It was the small hours of Sunday morning so the bus went the long way around.
It was my first time taking the 108 via Central London. It's certainly an unusual arrangement - it's a planned diversion that is in iBus and journey planner but otherwise an unadvertised service. People were still boarding along the Highway which I found interesting. Despite it running along higher speed roads and through the Limehouse Link tunnel, it was painfully slow south of the river.
Tower Bridge was closed so we went over London Bridge and along Tooley Street to line of route at Tower Bridge Road. Quite a few boarders and alighters between London Bridge and Greenwich Town Centre. These must either have been regular passengers or people using the journey planner, as normally people don't tend to board unadvertised services with confidence.
It took an hour to get from All Saints to North Greenwich, a section that normally takes 10 minutes. I can only imagine how much of a drag this would be during the day. The split service that operates when the tunnel is subject to unplanned closures is the best solution.
Apparently last weekend there was an even longer diversion - again, the 108 went over London Bridge but Tooley Street was blocked so buses went via Great Dover Street, Old Kent Road, New Cross and Deptford to line of route at Greenwich Town Centre!
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Post by cl54 on Aug 24, 2021 8:43:28 GMT
Just a small bump! I got caught in a bit of a service void at North Greenwich the other weekend. No buses were showing towards Lewisham so I went up to Bow Church to catch the bus coming back. It was the small hours of Sunday morning so the bus went the long way around. It was my first time taking the 108 via Central London. It's certainly an unusual arrangement - it's a planned diversion that is in iBus and journey planner but otherwise an unadvertised service. People were still boarding along the Highway which I found interesting. Despite it running along higher speed roads and through the Limehouse Link tunnel, it was painfully slow south of the river. Tower Bridge was closed so we went over London Bridge and along Tooley Street to line of route at Tower Bridge Road. Quite a few boarders and alighters between London Bridge and Greenwich Town Centre. These must either have been regular passengers or people using the journey planner, as normally people don't tend to board unadvertised services with confidence. It took an hour to get from All Saints to North Greenwich, a section that normally takes 10 minutes. I can only imagine how much of a drag this would be during the day. The split service that operates when the tunnel is subject to unplanned closures is the best solution. Apparently last weekend there was an even longer diversion - again, the 108 went over London Bridge but Tooley Street was blocked so buses went via Great Dover Street, Old Kent Road, New Cross and Deptford to line of route at Greenwich Town Centre! The regular closures are normally in the northbound tunnel. There has been some recent work in the southbound which causes the extensive diversions. The 20 mph speed limit on much of the route between Greenwich and Tower Bridge and the cycle lanes makes things worse. Obviously the Night Tube service on the Jubilee line made the split service on the 108 a better opition. |
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Post by stuckonthe486 on Sept 8, 2021 10:42:21 GMT
Last night Greenwich Council's planning committee approved - just - a development of 1,500 homes at Morden Wharf. It doesn't affect the bus garage, if that's still there by the time it's finished. One little nugget from the plans is that TfL is suggesting rerouting the 108 to serve Morden Wharf as part of a wider recasting of routes on the Greenwich Peninsula. There's £2.5m from the developer for the scheme to be served by a bus (it's actually quite cut off because of the tunnel entrance, despite being near to North Greenwich as the crow flies) Sticking a second dog-leg in the 108 seems mad to me when you could extend one of the Silvertown Tunnel routes to serve the development, but I expect a network development paper will emerge for the peninsula soon... 853.london/2021/09/08/greenwich-councillors-narrowly-back-1500-new-homes-at-36-storey-morden-wharf/ |
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Post by busman on Sept 8, 2021 12:34:47 GMT
Last night Greenwich Council's planning committee approved - just - a development of 1,500 homes at Morden Wharf. It doesn't affect the bus garage, if that's still there by the time it's finished. One little nugget from the plans is that TfL is suggesting rerouting the 108 to serve Morden Wharf as part of a wider recasting of routes on the Greenwich Peninsula. There's £2.5m from the developer for the scheme to be served by a bus (it's actually quite cut off because of the tunnel entrance, despite being near to North Greenwich as the crow flies) Sticking a second dog-leg in the 108 seems mad to me when you could extend one of the Silvertown Tunnel routes to serve the development, but I expect a network development paper will emerge for the peninsula soon... 853.london/2021/09/08/greenwich-councillors-narrowly-back-1500-new-homes-at-36-storey-morden-wharf/The worst borough I’ve ever lived in. Incompetent virtue signalling council who make rubbish decisions without engaging their brains. With a more competent rational council, Greenwich could be one of the best boroughs to live in. Do you have a proper source for the TfL suggestion for the 108 to be diverted? Seems like a daft idea, but then again it’s a better option than diverting the 188 or 422. My bet is that the 108 diversion never happens as by the time the luxury flats are built, there will be other routes running through the Silvertown tunnel that would be more suitable for diversion or terminus at Morden Wharf. A north of the river service running through NOG, Morden Wharf and Ikea could be pretty handy. |
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Lot of people accused TfL of deliberately doing this to get Maryland to shut down.
