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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 26, 2022 23:20:17 GMT
Thameslink most certainly isn't redundant, a full service has now resumed and it will continue to provide a useful service. If there is any reduction as a result of Crossrail opening it should be on Southeastern to Cannon Street. Crossrail is faster to Farringdon and serves more areas where people want to go than Thameslink does and to those east of Woolwich/Abbey Wood, Thameslink is most certainly redundant as it’s slow, it’ll only really be useful from Charlton inwards but Crossrail is the game changer this neck of the woods has been waiting for, Thameslink is back to 2tph (after only four years) but Crossrail will be 12tph It's an absolute game changer. I watched a TikTok from an Abbey Wood resident who now leaves at 8.30 and is at Tottenham Court Road with time to spare before starting work at 9am. Unthinkable when they had to do Abbey Wood to Charing Cross and then the Northern Line. Until the Autumn, Abbey Wood will still be a frustrating place to reach on Sundays with only snail paced Southeastern and Thameslink services serving the station or the even slower RRBs. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 26, 2022 22:26:16 GMT
If the 78 hadn't been diverted to Nunhead, I think that would have been a shoe-in.
So as someone else suggested, re-routing the 40 via Peckham would keep the link between Barry Road and Elephant, but I'm unsure if adding a couple of buses per hour on the 176 or 185 would resolve the issue of buses being packed before reaching Dulwich Library in the peaks, which is why the 40 was sent to Dulwich in the first place along Lordship Lane to relieve those routes and give passengers a chance of getting a seat.
This leaves two possibilities, the 381 would connect Dulwich with Surrey Quays, Canada Water and Rotherhithe. Dulwich hasn't had a bus route to Surrey Quays or Canada Water since the P13 was rerouted to New Cross Sainsbury's or sending the 63 down Barry Road instead which would restore a high frequency service along Barry Road along with new connections to King's Cross. However, the 40 duplicates the Elephant to Clerkenwell Green section of the 63. Also would the 363 cope with Honor Oak passengers and a much reduced bus service along Forest Hill Road?
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 26, 2022 21:25:20 GMT
Considering the 197 is an outer London route, it could be in for a frequency increase which would resolve the loss of the 12 without having to re-route an existing route to Dulwich. The rest of the route does not really need it ....and the overlap is such a small section of the route. The section between Forest Hill and Peckham is easily the busiest section of the route and if it's going to be the only route running there, then a small increase, possibly 6bph instead of five and 4bph on Sundays isn't a big ask. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 26, 2022 20:48:43 GMT
Considering the 197 is an outer London route, it could be in for a frequency increase which would resolve the loss of the 12 without having to re-route an existing route to Dulwich.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 24, 2022 22:44:36 GMT
Is there a reason TfL fares are different on the tube compared to the Elizabeth Line? For example Zone 3 to Zone 6 is £1.90 on the Underground compared to £2.50 on the Elizabeth Line. There's a special 'Anglia' fare table for stations outside Zone 1 which also affect London Overground services from Liverpool Street which was implemented to protect GA's revenue. This only affects stations east of Stratford on the Elizabeth Line for local journeys. The Zone 1 fare is on the standard fare scale from those stations. The other stations are under the standard TfL fare scale in Zones 1-6. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 24, 2022 2:04:48 GMT
It’s weird that Bromley North is in Zone 4 but Bromley South is in Zone 5. The Epping part of the Central Line being in Zone 4 when most of it’s in Essex or on the Greater London border is stupid as well. It’s all political BS. Presumably the reason why Bromley South is in Zone 5 is due to the regular fast services to Victoria, while North is served by a branch line to Grove Park which involves a change for London Terminals. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 19, 2022 23:41:09 GMT
I used to use that service to either go to Balham or to Clapham Junction for SWR services which made trips to Wimbledon or Richmond much more faster than going via Zone 1.
Getting to Clapham Junction now either involves getting the 176 or 185 to Denmark Hill and then the Overground or a train to East Croydon and then back up to Clapham Jnc.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 19, 2022 23:35:19 GMT
At least the LO 5 car 378s have more standing space.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on May 19, 2022 21:56:27 GMT
A tad frustrating that those Southern Metro services which had 8 car 455s are now 5 car 377s.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 23, 2022 21:03:41 GMT
I think the 363 wins the award for being in a certain London borough depending in which direction it goes in.
Southbound: Southwark, Lewisham (Wood Vale), back into Southwark, then Lewisham (London Road, Sydenham Hill) then back into Southwark and then the bus stand at Crystal Palace bus station is in Bromley. (Before the bus stand opened, the route would cross the roundabout where Bromley, Croydon and Lambeth would meet, but boundary changes have changed that).
Northbound (Bus stand in Bromley) and then Southwark throughout as the route is inside the borough on the boundary roads in Sydenham Hill and Wood Vale.
197: Southwark, Lewisham, Bromley, Croydon.
176: Camden (Southbound only on Earnshaw Street and St Giles High Street), Westminster, Lambeth, Southwark, Lewisham, Bromley.
185: Westminster, Lambeth, Southwark, Lewisham.
356: Croydon, Bromley, Lewisham, Southwark (Towards Upper Sydenham only).
227: Bromley, Lewisham, Southwark.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 23, 2022 20:47:56 GMT
I think the original plan was for Thameslink to take over the Tattenham Corner services, but that became the Southern fasts to Caterham/Tattenham Corner, separating at Purley, which led to them replacing the Southeastern Metro stoppers to the Medway Towns.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 21, 2022 2:27:25 GMT
In the near future at least, the Elizabeth line will ensure that Thamesmead will have a faster connection to Central London using the existing bus network that can feed passengers to Abbey Wood or Woolwich stations. It's not perfect, but it'll be a lot better than the current situation where they have to wait for Southeastern or Thameslink services that crawl towards London Bridge.
As for Camberwell, unlike Thamesmead, it has excellent bus connections to Oval, Brixton and Elephant & Castle tube stations in addition to those who live in south Camberwell who can access Denmark Hill Overground station. Loughborough Junction isn't far away either from Camberwell for Thameslink.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 8, 2022 21:43:37 GMT
SOUTHERN:
Extend the current 2tph London Bridge to East Croydon stopper service via Forest Hill to Charing Cross, restoring a link to Charing Cross lost since 2009.
Reinstate the 2tph London Bridge to Victoria service via Crystal Palace on weekdays.
The Gatwick Express branded services to Brighton would additionally stop at East Croydon but not at Clapham Junction.
LONDON OVERGROUND:
An extra 2tph between Dalston Junction and Crystal Palace and Dalston Junction to Clapham Junction. (West Croydon isn't currently an option until the East Croydon improvement works are implemented.)
SOUTHEASTERN:
2tph: Cannon Street to Bromley South via Lewisham and Catford Bridge. This would give 6tph to Ladywell, Catford Bridge, Lower Sydenham and New Beckenham with new connections to Beckenham Junction, Shortlands and Bromley South using the slots for the current 2tph Victoria to Bromley South stoppers.
The current 2tph Bromley South terminators would go to Swanley.
THAMESLINK:
The Rainham services would also call at Belvedere and Erith, reinstating a 6tph service between Deptford and Charlton to those stations further down the Greenwich line.
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 4, 2022 16:05:48 GMT
I've heard the 185 is expected to be cut from 7.5 to 6bph soon. Interesting when you only consider it was increased a few years ago. From what I still see of it it definitely still justifies a 7.5 bph. Perhaps the 40 would've been a better candidate? Agreed, the 40 is a much shorter route and has lost the useful connection from Dulwich to London Bridge and the city since it was rerouted to Clarkenwell Green. I think the 40 was cut at the end of last year anyway? The 7.5bph on the 185 makes the difference between getting a chance of a seat or standing up on that route. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 4, 2022 13:37:44 GMT
The 12 at one point ran some journeys from Willesden Junction to South Croydon although most started from Park Royal and ran in two overlapping sections, South Croydon to Oxford Circus and Dulwich to Park Royal/Willesden Junction (Harlesden).
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