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Post by uakari on Apr 20, 2023 21:16:04 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted. But surely if they're coming from outside London they can just use their Card which has a cap cheaper than the paper equivalent anyway? I think there are a lot of cases where the cost of a paper return plus a cap is more expensive than the paper travelcard with the tube included. You can get paper travelcards from anywhere in the Network area that include a return to London and travel around it.
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Post by Catford94 on Apr 21, 2023 19:41:24 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted. But surely if they're coming from outside London they can just use their Card which has a cap cheaper than the paper equivalent anyway?
But (as someone who lives outside London and does occasionally do the 'one day travelcard' from home station...)
At the moment I can buy that as one ticket from my home station, which as I understand it constitutes a day return from home station to London boundary and an 'all zones' travelcard. (And I can use a 'network card' to buy this if I do it after 1000 or at weekends.)
I'm aware there are a few stations outside the Greater London boundary where Oyster and / or contactless can be used, but my local (SW Railway) station is not one of them.
Having to pay for a return to London terminus and then do daily fare capping inside London is almost certainly going to be more expensive.
Buying a ticket from home to the first station in Greater London, then having to get off there, go out the ticket barrier, and tap in on Oyster (and vice versa on the way home) and wait half an hour for the next train each way does not make the journey exactly attractive, so yes (as someone else has suggested) the idea of driving to a station inside London might be an option. Or travelling to London less often.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 21, 2023 21:36:40 GMT
It is possible that the implementation will be delayed to after Project Oval is rolled out to soften the blow and make it more palatable. Project Oval will extend Contactless further out than in currently does.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 21, 2023 21:42:34 GMT
Let's bring in ULEZ and make travel in to the Capital city of this country as hard as possible by getting rid of the Travelcard but it's all about your health and pollution nothing to do with money ,
The only thing I can say is he is a clown ! And I say this as someone with "Labour" views , the sooner the ULEZ gets stopped which I think it will as too many challenges against it the better and the sooner the next mayoral election the better .
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Post by uakari on Apr 21, 2023 21:56:10 GMT
Let's bring in ULEZ and make travel in to the Capital city of this country as hard as possible by getting rid of the Travelcard but it's all about your health and pollution nothing to do with money , The only thing I can say is he is a clown ! And I say this as someone with "Labour" views , the sooner the ULEZ gets stopped which I think it will as too many challenges against it the better and the sooner the next mayoral election the better . ULEZ would be ok if there were genuinely alternatives on the edge of London and crossing into the home counties, but in terms of buses there are fewer than ever. The travelcard thing will just make fewer people visit London and cause the city to decline even further.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 21, 2023 22:16:48 GMT
Let's bring in ULEZ and make travel in to the Capital city of this country as hard as possible by getting rid of the Travelcard but it's all about your health and pollution nothing to do with money , The only thing I can say is he is a clown ! And I say this as someone with "Labour" views , the sooner the ULEZ gets stopped which I think it will as too many challenges against it the better and the sooner the next mayoral election the better . ULEZ would be ok if there were genuinely alternatives on the edge of London and crossing into the home counties, but in terms of buses there are fewer than ever. The travelcard thing will just make fewer people visit London and cause the city to decline even further. Like I said multiple times previously, if you can't get from Oxford Circus to St Paul's on a single bus then there's bigger priorities than linking places out of London which will have just a fraction of the footfall. The ULEZ has a multitude of problems and is a seperate matter, but this paper travelcard issue is being blown way out of proportion. TfL have the data, they have the cost information. They wouldn't do this if its going to lose them money, they'd only do it if they saved money and if it saves money then what's the issue? I'd rather money saved here than another route get axed somewhere. I'm sure TOC Smartcards can have travelcards put on them. You can put a Travelcard on c2c's smart card so that's probably the option that other TOCs need to explore.
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Post by uakari on Apr 21, 2023 22:26:31 GMT
ULEZ would be ok if there were genuinely alternatives on the edge of London and crossing into the home counties, but in terms of buses there are fewer than ever. The travelcard thing will just make fewer people visit London and cause the city to decline even further. Like I said multiple times previously, if you can't get from Oxford Circus to St Paul's on a single bus then there's bigger priorities than linking places out of London which will have just a fraction of the footfall. The ULEZ has a multitude of problems and is a seperate matter, but this paper travelcard issue is being blown way out of proportion. TfL have the data, they have the cost information. They wouldn't do this if its going to lose them money, they'd only do it if they saved money and if it saves money then what's the issue? I'd rather money saved here than another route get axed somewhere. I'm sure TOC Smartcards can have travelcards put on them. You can put a Travelcard on c2c's smart card so that's probably the option that other TOCs need to explore. Silly comparison. Does the 55 not exist? Plus the central line? Or an easy change at the same stop between very high frequency 8 and 98? The lack of cross boundary bus routes is exponentially a bigger problem than that, given people can't get around on public transport at all. They're getting RID of the travelcard, remember? How can they put a product that doesn't exist on a smartcard? Boring brown-nosing. I'm sure you'll be very happy turning London into even more of a walled ghetto that no one wants to visit than it already is. Decline doesn't mean just financial. It also means the cultural decline of the capital of England.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 21, 2023 22:37:35 GMT
ULEZ would be ok if there were genuinely alternatives on the edge of London and crossing into the home counties, but in terms of buses there are fewer than ever. The travelcard thing will just make fewer people visit London and cause the city to decline even further. Like I said multiple times previously, if you can't get from Oxford Circus to St Paul's on a single bus then there's bigger priorities than linking places out of London which will have just a fraction of the footfall. The ULEZ has a multitude of problems and is a seperate matter, but this paper travelcard issue is being blown way out of proportion. TfL have the data, they have the cost information. They wouldn't do this if its going to lose them money, they'd only do it if they saved money and if it saves money then what's the issue? I'd rather money saved here than another route get axed somewhere. I'm sure TOC Smartcards can have travelcards put on them. You can put a Travelcard on c2c's smart card so that's probably the option that other TOCs need to explore. Gravesend a town not to far outside London a Zone 1-6 Day Travelcard is now £37.30 and a Anytime Day return is £36.70 so if someone wanted to travel from Gravesend into London and go sightseeing or on the bus for the day etc in future they would have to pay for the bus or tube when in London as the Day Travelcard would no longer be an option costing More money , if there were let's say a family trip so two adults two children this would be near on £100 and then on top of that they would have to pay to use the bus surely for four people would be cheaper to drive that's with ULEZ and Parking ? My point is it's just going to put more people off coming to town which effects everyone business get less foot fall has an effect most industries .
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 21, 2023 22:39:05 GMT
ULEZ would be ok if there were genuinely alternatives on the edge of London and crossing into the home counties, but in terms of buses there are fewer than ever. The travelcard thing will just make fewer people visit London and cause the city to decline even further. Like I said multiple times previously, if you can't get from Oxford Circus to St Paul's on a single bus then there's bigger priorities than linking places out of London which will have just a fraction of the footfall. The ULEZ has a multitude of problems and is a seperate matter, but this paper travelcard issue is being blown way out of proportion. TfL have the data, they have the cost information. They wouldn't do this if its going to lose them money, they'd only do it if they saved money and if it saves money then what's the issue? I'd rather money saved here than another route get axed somewhere. I'm sure TOC Smartcards can have travelcards put on them. You can put a Travelcard on c2c's smart card so that's probably the option that other TOCs need to explore. Indeed, you can put a Travelcard on a TOC smartcard, it just won't be valid for TfL services, just NR. That is if TOCs decide to continue to sell them.
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Post by uakari on Apr 21, 2023 22:42:39 GMT
Is this new thing where they say 'ask a question' to get out of actually having a consultation or is it preliminary to having one?
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Post by cardinal on Apr 21, 2023 23:16:58 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted. So today I took my son into London. I bought a one day travel card from the local station , outside London. What will I have to purchase now ? The return fare to/from the station and then what ? He hasn’t got an Oyster card because he doesn’t need one day to day as we don’t live in London . I’m a bit confused now.
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Post by cardinal on Apr 21, 2023 23:18:18 GMT
Like I said multiple times previously, if you can't get from Oxford Circus to St Paul's on a single bus then there's bigger priorities than linking places out of London which will have just a fraction of the footfall. The ULEZ has a multitude of problems and is a seperate matter, but this paper travelcard issue is being blown way out of proportion. TfL have the data, they have the cost information. They wouldn't do this if its going to lose them money, they'd only do it if they saved money and if it saves money then what's the issue? I'd rather money saved here than another route get axed somewhere. I'm sure TOC Smartcards can have travelcards put on them. You can put a Travelcard on c2c's smart card so that's probably the option that other TOCs need to explore. Gravesend a town not to far outside London a Zone 1-6 Day Travelcard is now £37.30 and a Anytime Day return is £36.70 so if someone wanted to travel from Gravesend into London and go sightseeing or on the bus for the day etc in future they would have to pay for the bus or tube when in London as the Day Travelcard would no longer be an option costing More money , if there were let's say a family trip so two adults two children this would be near on £100 and then on top of that they would have to pay to use the bus surely for four people would be cheaper to drive that's with ULEZ and Parking ? My point is it's just going to put more people off coming to town which effects everyone business get less foot fall has an effect most industries . That’s how I’m reading it, so yes it will put people off travelling to London by public transport if that’s the case. I’ll drive now.
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Post by uakari on Apr 21, 2023 23:43:25 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted. So today I took my son into London. I bought a one day travel card from the local station , outside London. What will I have to purchase now ? The return fare to/from the station and then what ? He hasn’t got an Oyster card because he doesn’t need one day to day as we don’t live in London . I’m a bit confused now. If this happens then you'll have to purchase a paper return, then because paper tickets won't exist any more you'll have to travel around London with a contactless card or oyster. If your son is too young to have a contactless card then he'll have to get a zip oyster card for discount fares, which you have to pay to receive. You'll end up paying a lot more for those days out, and a bigger chunk to TfL rather than the train operator.
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 22, 2023 4:00:01 GMT
I'd be first interested to know what % of fares are paid using a travel card now. As with when they did away with the Tram tickets machines a few years ago I seem to recall it was very low (2 to 3%) but TC I can imagine being more due to visitors not having multiple bank cards on them to do contactless price capping. I'd imagine season ticket usage is still high, but I think day travelcards are just mostly used by people who have left their card at home and don't have mobile payment. The days of getting a dodgy paper pass from the newsagent are over what with many having contactless, this is a way to push people onto weekly Oyster cards as tapping in on a debit card probably is more expensive, despite price capping.
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Post by cardinal on Apr 22, 2023 4:01:29 GMT
So today I took my son into London. I bought a one day travel card from the local station , outside London. What will I have to purchase now ? The return fare to/from the station and then what ? He hasn’t got an Oyster card because he doesn’t need one day to day as we don’t live in London . I’m a bit confused now. If this happens then you'll have to purchase a paper return, then because paper tickets won't exist any more you'll have to travel around London with a contactless card or oyster. If your son is too young to have a contactless card then he'll have to get a zip oyster card for discount fares, which you have to pay to receive. You'll end up paying a lot more for those days out, and a bigger chunk to TfL rather than the train operator. Thanks for the explainer !
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