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Post by rift on Apr 18, 2023 15:12:00 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 18, 2023 15:36:04 GMT
I'd be first interested to know what % of fares are paid using a travel card now. As with when they did away with the Tram tickets machines a few years ago I seem to recall it was very low (2 to 3%) but TC I can imagine being more due to visitors not having multiple bank cards on them to do contactless price capping.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 18, 2023 15:42:14 GMT
I'd be first interested to know what % of fares are paid using a travel card now. As with when they did away with the Tram tickets machines a few years ago I seem to recall it was very low (2 to 3%) but TC I can imagine being more due to visitors not having multiple bank cards on them to do contactless price capping. I'd imagine season ticket usage is still high, but I think day travelcards are just mostly used by people who have left their card at home and don't have mobile payment.
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Post by londonbuses on Apr 18, 2023 17:25:33 GMT
Not sure how much this will affect the general public, but this is definitely not good for transport enthusiasts, tourists or for bigger groups such as schools.
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Post by greenboy on Apr 18, 2023 18:20:50 GMT
Ridiculous idea especially for people from outside of London visiting for the day, it'll just encourage more people to drive into London at weekends when there's cheap or even free parking available.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 18, 2023 18:48:58 GMT
I think the real reason for it is to further track peoples movements.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 18, 2023 19:16:38 GMT
Ridiculous idea especially for people from outside of London visiting for the day, it'll just encourage more people to drive into London at weekends when there's cheap or even free parking available. I imagine the majority of people have contactless payment cards / Apple Pay etc so can use these and still benefit from a daily cap. Yes some people will be impacted but imagine the sale of paper Travelcards is minimal.
Can't see this causing a sudden shift to driving into London.
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Post by WH241 on Apr 18, 2023 19:20:30 GMT
I think the real reason for it is to further track peoples movements. It's been happening for years with phones, loyalty cards and Oyster cards. It's the world we live in now and will only get worse! I know everyone is different but I am really not fussed if people want to know my travel pattern or what I buy in Tesco if I get a discount.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2023 21:08:38 GMT
Ridiculous idea especially for people from outside of London visiting for the day, it'll just encourage more people to drive into London at weekends when there's cheap or even free parking available. I imagine the majority of people have contactless payment cards / Apple Pay etc so can use these and still benefit from a daily cap. Yes some people will be impacted but imagine the sale of paper Travelcards is minimal.
Can't see this causing a sudden shift to driving into London.
Agree, even if they buy an Oyster Card, it would surely be less hassle to have that over a travelcard.
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Post by frank on Apr 18, 2023 21:31:42 GMT
Not that I'm for against this proposal, but one area whereby day travelcards are useful is for companies covering employee travel expenses on work related trips. I often purchase a day travelcard through the company I work for when on work errands in London.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 18, 2023 23:18:00 GMT
If I'm not mistaken this must be the first step that TfL have publicly and concretely taking to scrap all paper tickets which is due by next year. Good to know that the other Travelcard products are safe now, no doubt because they are on Oyster.
TfL will also earn a few more pounds per tourist who'll be getting Oyster cards now given that there is a non-refundable deposit to it.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Apr 19, 2023 13:00:02 GMT
DiamondGeezer's post today detailed how it isn't just the current mayor who's screwing people over. The 1 day Travelcard has already been watered down throughout the years.
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Post by rj131 on Apr 19, 2023 16:35:04 GMT
I think the real reason for it is to further track peoples movements. To be honest while I’d usually recoil in horror at movements being tracked more, in the case of TfL transport I don’t think that’s a really bad thing. If it helps them catch more career fare dodgers and puts more money back into TfL’s pockets (that’s rightfully theirs that is, and in this case it is), then fine by me. Don’t really think TfL are interested in me taking a trip out on the Emerson Park OG line, and then riding the 248 and 370 in Upminster on a jolly 😂😂
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Post by uakari on Apr 20, 2023 20:34:27 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 20, 2023 20:41:01 GMT
The main impact of this one is to further carve out London as Sadiq's fiefdom separate from the rest of England, because people travelling in from the Network area won't be able to add a travelcard onto their ticket from stations beyond where Oyster and contactless are accepted. But surely if they're coming from outside London they can just use their Card which has a cap cheaper than the paper equivalent anyway?
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