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Post by greenboy on Apr 22, 2023 7:03:21 GMT
Gravesend a town not to far outside London a Zone 1-6 Day Travelcard is now £37.30 and a Anytime Day return is £36.70 so if someone wanted to travel from Gravesend into London and go sightseeing or on the bus for the day etc in future they would have to pay for the bus or tube when in London as the Day Travelcard would no longer be an option costing More money , if there were let's say a family trip so two adults two children this would be near on £100 and then on top of that they would have to pay to use the bus surely for four people would be cheaper to drive that's with ULEZ and Parking ? My point is it's just going to put more people off coming to town which effects everyone business get less foot fall has an effect most industries . That’s how I’m reading it, so yes it will put people off travelling to London by public transport if that’s the case. I’ll drive now. A lot more people will drive into Central London for leisure activities or go elsewhere if this goes ahead and clearly it's going to have a big effect on the hospitality industry.
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 22, 2023 7:38:59 GMT
Do TFL not get any money them when there is the add on travel card to a train ticket from outside of London?
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Post by WH241 on Apr 22, 2023 10:55:46 GMT
Maybe I am missing something with this but I imagine like others have said usage of paper tickets is minimal. I can't tell you the last time I see a passenger use a paper ticket in a ticket machine on the tube or show one to a bus driver!
TfL must have the data to back this up. The majority of travel is paid for using debit cards and phones, I even rarely even see Oyster cards being used. I don't think there was this much outrage when buses went cashless for example.
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Post by snowman on Apr 22, 2023 11:13:48 GMT
Maybe I am missing something with this but I imagine like others have said usage of paper tickets is minimal. I can't tell you the last time I see a passenger use a paper ticket in a ticket machine on the tube or show one to a bus driver!
TfL must have the data to back this up. The majority of travel is paid for using debit cards and phones, I even rarely even see Oyster cards being used. I don't think there was this much outrage when buses went cashless for example.
I think it says in the FAQs that over 10m of the 15m tickets annually are issued outside zone 6 and are probably day rail tickets with travelcard added. Therefore probably mainly used by day trippers to London and would only be used at main stations and tube stations serving tourist sites. The one useful bit of info that TfL chose not to quote, was the split between those stations getting Project Oval smart card readers and those outside zone 6 where would still need a real rail ticket then separate contactless card in London
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 29, 2023 6:31:37 GMT
As the only remaining paper Travelcard is for all zones, and is even ore expensive than the zone 1-6 Oyster/contactless cap, it is more cost-effective for passengers to use cards instead.
Even so, it is poor to force people to use contactless for example. I am seriously apprehensive about tap on/tap off being introduced by some bus companies bit that might be for another discussion.
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Post by uakari on Apr 30, 2023 9:46:50 GMT
As the only remaining paper Travelcard is for all zones, and is even ore expensive than the zone 1-6 Oyster/contactless cap, it is more cost-effective for passengers to use cards instead. Even so, it is poor to force people to use contactless for example. I am seriously apprehensive about tap on/tap off being introduced by some bus companies bit that might be for another discussion. The main impact is for people coming into London from outside the zones, where a paper travelcard is often only slightly more expensive than a paper return, and a paper return plus a cap would be the only alternative and significantly more expensive in most cases.
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Post by Catford94 on Apr 30, 2023 11:07:11 GMT
I think it says in the FAQs that over 10m of the 15m tickets annually are issued outside zone 6 and are probably day rail tickets with travelcard added. Therefore probably mainly used by day trippers to London and would only be used at main stations and tube stations serving tourist sites.
I'm sure that's the case for some people who live outside London and do the day travelcard thing, but I can't help thinking that's a bit of an over-simplification.
I now live in the 'home counties' but grew up in London and have friends and family still inside London (I don't think I am a rarity in this respect), and I do not visit london as a 'tourist'.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 30, 2023 22:34:53 GMT
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Post by bn12cny on May 21, 2023 4:00:43 GMT
Now I’m truly stuck, I live in China and coming to England on the 22nd July for 4 days, have learnt the Heathrow FreeFlow Bus Scheme doesn’t work!!!!!!
Secondly my Chinese Bank cards doesn’t work on the transportation and have no choice but to purchase an oyster card at Heathrow Airport however I understand that now this is not refundable!!!!!
It’s ripping people off whom can’t use contactless….very disappointed!
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Post by mark on May 22, 2023 14:24:47 GMT
Now I’m truly stuck, I live in China and coming to England on the 22nd July for 4 days, have learnt the Heathrow FreeFlow Bus Scheme doesn’t work!!!!!! Secondly my Chinese Bank cards doesn’t work on the transportation and have no choice but to purchase an oyster card at Heathrow Airport however I understand that now this is not refundable!!!!! It’s ripping people off whom can’t use contactless….very disappointed! Don't panic - the one day travelcard will still be around in July!
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Post by uakari on Jun 14, 2023 3:13:23 GMT
So they didn't even bother have a public consultation on this one? Who tf qualifies as a 'key stakeholder'? Their corporate buzzwords give me cringe shivers.
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Post by richard on Jul 21, 2023 14:02:08 GMT
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 21, 2023 18:19:59 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 22, 2023 21:07:13 GMT
Maybe I am missing something with this but I imagine like others have said usage of paper tickets is minimal. I can't tell you the last time I see a passenger use a paper ticket in a ticket machine on the tube or show one to a bus driver!
TfL must have the data to back this up. The majority of travel is paid for using debit cards and phones, I even rarely even see Oyster cards being used. I don't think there was this much outrage when buses went cashless for example.
There was a massive outrage when buses went cashless, I remember it on news etc. Disability and elderly groups as well as people outside London was against it. I do still see a lot of people use Oyster cards. The ones I cannot stand is people using their phones, sick of that crap and they take so long and slow.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 22, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
Now I’m truly stuck, I live in China and coming to England on the 22nd July for 4 days, have learnt the Heathrow FreeFlow Bus Scheme doesn’t work!!!!!! Secondly my Chinese Bank cards doesn’t work on the transportation and have no choice but to purchase an oyster card at Heathrow Airport however I understand that now this is not refundable!!!!! It’s ripping people off whom can’t use contactless….very disappointed! This would affect many others, the same way it did when the bus system went cashless. I remember countless tourists who tried to pay on board, then their foreign bank cards did not work. They usually got off and would say they would take a taxi instead or not bother to make the trip. It has also encouraged fare evasion and drivers who I do not blame cannot be bothered. If someone attempts to pay and the system is no longer geared up for it, just give them a free ride.
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