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Post by TA1 on Jul 11, 2023 12:52:59 GMT
Oh look another round of pitting the working class against each other, but no disdain towards Fatcat CEO's who are earning £2k an hour. Not sure why anyone on here is looking down their noses at any other occupation. My wages and fares don't go hand in hand either... Obviously, the daily mail will tell you otherwise, then you'll come on the internet and be a keyboard warrior... Anyway, I look forward to reading more armchair comments. It’s not about being a keyboard warrior! But do you really think the majority will have sympathy? We are in the most of a cost of living crisis here you literally see people waiting in supermarkets for food to be reduced. I am pretty sure tube and train drivers have managed a lot better on 60k than others. I would love to know what you consider a fair increase would be! O and I don’t read the Daily Mail before you say it. Once again, I've not directed my message at you, but once again you've taken it as a personal attack, you've done this for years on this forum under all your other aliases it's really boring. Again, I'm not sure I need support, the RDG is trying to impose quite ridiculous changes, which I consider to be dangerous to passengers and we're seeing it with maintenance being cut back, ESR's and TSR's being imposed for cracked rails, or buckled rails. Fewer carriages are available for passengers because longer trains are too expensive to run. I respect everyone's career path, and can't fathom why wages are always a vocal point, wages went up after the cessation of BR and the introduction of privatization, I know many of my colleagues wouldn't drive if the salary was what it was under BR days. I'm fulfilling a boyhood dream and I'm always encouraging others to join the industry.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2023 12:56:56 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. The issue is where will the extra money come from now?
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 11, 2023 13:02:04 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. As the 10th Doctor once said, “France. It’s a different planet.”
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2023 13:02:28 GMT
Oh look another round of pitting the working class against each other, but no disdain towards Fatcat CEO's who are earning £2k an hour. Not sure why anyone on here is looking down their noses at any other occupation. My wages and fares don't go hand in hand either... Obviously, the daily mail will tell you otherwise, then you'll come on the internet and be a keyboard warrior... Anyway, I look forward to reading more armchair comments. CEOs earn that sort of money because they're CEOs, and work for a private company and make their money through business. What exactly do train drivers do that justifies 60K then? If you're going to go and say nobody understands then we would love to be educated on how this extortionate salary is justified? I can say I deserve a 200K salary just like you are saying you deserve yours. But quite frankly train drivers do not deserve a wage increase in this economy when there are more important areas for money to be spent.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2023 13:02:59 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. Pretty sure if this was France the railway staff would have been rushed by everyone else.
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Post by TA1 on Jul 11, 2023 13:09:08 GMT
Oh look another round of pitting the working class against each other, but no disdain towards Fatcat CEO's who are earning £2k an hour. Not sure why anyone on here is looking down their noses at any other occupation. My wages and fares don't go hand in hand either... Obviously, the daily mail will tell you otherwise, then you'll come on the internet and be a keyboard warrior... Anyway, I look forward to reading more armchair comments. CEOs earn that sort of money because they're CEOs, and work for a private company and make their money through business. What exactly do train drivers do that justifies 60K then? If you're going to go and say nobody understands then we would love to be educated on how this extortionate salary is justified? I can say I deserve a 200K salary just like you are saying you deserve yours. But quite frankly train drivers do not deserve a wage increase in this economy when there are more important areas for money to be spent. I work for a private company, I make my money through driving trains. I mean you can readily read the job description of a train driver, no point telling you something when you'll automatically tell me my salary isn't deserved, my salary is what it is, because of privatization. Shareholders pocket the money, the RDG implements incredibly stupid decisions in the eyes of cost-cutting but TOC's are recording record profits - figure that one out. I said to myself I wouldn't fall for the bait and I've nibbled. I'm looking forward to you sharing in the public domain what you do for a living.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2023 13:18:43 GMT
CEOs earn that sort of money because they're CEOs, and work for a private company and make their money through business. What exactly do train drivers do that justifies 60K then? If you're going to go and say nobody understands then we would love to be educated on how this extortionate salary is justified? I can say I deserve a 200K salary just like you are saying you deserve yours. But quite frankly train drivers do not deserve a wage increase in this economy when there are more important areas for money to be spent. I work for a private company, I make my money through driving trains. I mean you can readily read the job description of a train driver, no point telling you something when you'll automatically tell me my salary isn't deserved, my salary is what it is, because of privatization. Shareholders pocket the money, the RDG implements incredibly stupid decisions in the eyes of cost-cutting but TOC's are recording record profits - figure that one out. I said to myself I wouldn't fall for the bait and I've nibbled. I'm looking forward to you sharing in the public domain what you do for a living. TOCs are currently recording profits following government support in the pandemic. Obviously multiple were close to collapse before the Pandemic eith even c2c, a traditionally stable franchise on the brink. I'll happily say I'm a Biomedical Scientist on a public domain
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Post by TA1 on Jul 11, 2023 13:23:18 GMT
I work for a private company, I make my money through driving trains. I mean you can readily read the job description of a train driver, no point telling you something when you'll automatically tell me my salary isn't deserved, my salary is what it is, because of privatization. Shareholders pocket the money, the RDG implements incredibly stupid decisions in the eyes of cost-cutting but TOC's are recording record profits - figure that one out. I said to myself I wouldn't fall for the bait and I've nibbled. I'm looking forward to you sharing in the public domain what you do for a living. TOCs are currently recording profits following government support in the pandemic. Obviously multiple were close to collapse before the Pandemic eith even c2c, a traditionally stable franchise on the brink. I'll happily say I'm a Biomedical Scientist on a public domain Hopefully, you’re aware that all rail staff that were due pay talks before covid or during covid negated these talks on promise from the RDG that once things got back to normal, talks would commence. Thank you for the work you do, keep up the good work. 👍🏾
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 11, 2023 13:42:39 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. The issue is where will the extra money come from now? That is an excellent question and to be very frank, the wider issue is that TfL is expected to be a profitable organisation without any form of subsidies. TfL is stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to that.
Not exactly the same on the DfT side now where running the railways seems to have been completely reshaped into simply a numbers crunching exercise. Arguably a very short-sighted view of public transport where the wider economic impact of providing a good (and subsidised) service with reasonable fares seems to have been shoved aside.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 11, 2023 13:47:20 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. Pretty sure if this was France the railway staff would have been rushed by everyone else. You'd be surprised, but despite being well past the era of large nationalised public services, strikes still do carry weight and a degree of respect over there. If anything, the recent pension reform plan being forced through and associated strikes served as a good reminder of the point of striking for yourself but also for others.
Different planet I guess. Different mentalities. Far less individualistic.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Jul 11, 2023 14:10:29 GMT
I don’t think this should turn into a debate about wage structures of various roles because this attacks individuals on this forum who could work in industries concerned, such as I, who not only is a train driver but also a senior trainer at the company I work for.
The strikes inconvenience everyone in many ways. Each one of us loses out in a way: the general public and staff alike. And it’s going to a be a pain in the behind during this week of chaos that’s scheduled to go ahead.
I think we should keep it civil here. As enthusiasts of the transport industry and personal opinions on who deserves what pay should really be kept to a minimum.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jul 11, 2023 14:28:03 GMT
Not saying that driving a train is unskilled but some people in the NHS earn less arguably doing a higher skilled job. With the long hours and low pay it's no wonder that people quit to find other professions and the NHS is left overwhelmed Agree that NHS staff are underpaid, that isn't the issue of tube drivers however. Both are roles with unique skill that require appropriate wages. Bare in mind on the mainline railway there's actually a shortage of drivers in some parts because it's been a struggle to replace retiring drivers....and some think wage cuts will sort that. Crackers. If you had an accident a train driver is unlikely to save you unless it happened on the rail network. This is why people in the NHS should be paid more. It's a very important profession and without them society won't function at all. The same can be said about train drivers however if you removed trains from this country you still have other methods of transport.
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Post by greenboy on Jul 11, 2023 14:40:05 GMT
Aside from the different strike restrictions, I've finally figured out why this country doesn't get anywhere unlike in France. Comments here are very indicative of an inability to not pit one profession against another. Glad that back at home, people can generally see a bit further than their own professions and understand that they themselves might have to strike one day and will need support. The fact that tube drivers are paid what they are, by the way, since it has been mentioned, is most likely not what is keeping other sectors underfunded and underpaid? The money 'saved' would very likely not be going to any better use. I don't think anybody is pitting one profession against another but train strikes and NHS strikes are two totally different things and many people will support, or at least sympathise with, one and not the other. No rail staff were furloughed during the pandemic, they were fully paid out of public funds even though there was often very little for them to do because so few people were travelling whilst NHS staff were working flat out trying to cope with an unprecedented work load.
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 11, 2023 15:03:18 GMT
Oh look another round of pitting the working class against each other, but no disdain towards Fatcat CEO's who are earning £2k an hour. Not sure why anyone on here is looking down their noses at any other occupation. My wages and fares don't go hand in hand either... Obviously, the daily mail will tell you otherwise, then you'll come on the internet and be a keyboard warrior... Anyway, I look forward to reading more armchair comments. I could have sworn I made a thread about this a month ago. Now I see we're doing a 360 on this. Let me sit down and see what comes up. Enjoy folks 😁
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Post by mkay315 on Jul 11, 2023 15:04:45 GMT
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